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Can We Please Stop Using This Argument?
jimmyakin.org ^ | 206.04.10 | Jimmy Akin

Posted on 04/10/2006 6:45:04 PM PDT by B-Chan

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That Dog Don't Hunt Ping!

21 posted on 04/10/2006 7:04:10 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.proudpatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~)
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To: B-Chan

I therefore propose that we, as a nation, retire the "Illegal aliens take jobs Americans won't do/don't want" argument.

This is patent nonsense.

Anybody using this argument either has no grasp of economics or is being disingenuous due to the presence of an ulterior motive. (Them's yer two choices, so take yer pick, Mr. Bush.)



Careful there partner, too many folk 'round these parts don't take kindly to that kind of common sense!


22 posted on 04/10/2006 7:06:38 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (I love coffee....I love it GOOD!)
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To: null and void

The truth hurts. Put them on the public teat, get them happily nestled in the ranks of Democrat voters and make room for the Moooslims to become the next civil rights abusee.

is there some type of Laffer Curve to measure just how much crap the taxpayer will take before he finally say's enough is enough with regards to the loss of our identity?


23 posted on 04/10/2006 7:07:13 PM PDT by digger48
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To: B-Chan

I wrote this letter to my three members of Congress today:

Dear Mr. Renzi, Senator McCain and Senator Kyl -- I'm sorry; I am pissed. I am incensed. I am nauseated at what I have witnessed today. These "sea of humanity" demonstrations by illegals, and especially the speeches by leaders who are certifiably communist; the overnight changeover from Mexican to American flags (where did all those flags come from; who bought them?). It is such a sham. And to have people who are breaking the law with every step they take in this land lecturing us about injustice. I tell you, I am nauseated by it.
I am a democrat, but haven't voted for a democrat for any national office for a long time. That party no longer cares about our country. They are not patriotic, whatsoever.
Please help me out here, help me and my wife to cope with what we are witnessing. Where is the conservative backbone in Congress?
HERE IS MY SOLUTION -- it is radical, but fair and comprehensive: Build a BIG steel wall, like Israel's. Build it a mile inside our border so the Mexican army cannot sidle up alongside or sabotage it or undermine it; make the mile between the wall and the mexican border a no-go zone. Build it double, with 100 yards of minefield in between. Build the inner wall of standard chainlink fence, as it need not be so formidable as the wall facing mexico.
Invite illegals already in America to come down, by the tens of thousands, to work on the wall, a month at a time, decent wages. Document them, then and there. Anyone who works on the wall a total of 6 months, whether off-and-on, or straight through, gets to come through INS legally, go straight to the head of the line, and bring spouse and children with them. They get to be citizens of the USA, on a special case basis.
Radical? Yes. But, if we don't have a border that means something (like every other country in the world), then we don't have a country. Please do something, quickly. The initiative has been stolen already. We need it back. We want our country back.
Your constituent,


24 posted on 04/10/2006 7:07:36 PM PDT by Migraine (...diversity is great (until it happens to you)...)
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To: B-Chan

Another stupid argument that needs to be canned is the idiotic, "we're a nation of immigrants." In fact, the vast majority of the CITIZENS living the United States were BORN HERE! Very, very few are actual immigrants. So, can everyone please disabuse yourself of this mistaken idea and stop using this worthless argument? (Yes, that means you, Mr. President.)


25 posted on 04/10/2006 7:08:18 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: hophead
I get your point. The government is telling us if enough people break into their neighbor's houses, it can become so impractical to arrest, prosecute, and imprison them.

Why can't we all join in on this lawlessness? Chaos and anarchy does benefit some people, why not be the beneficiary?

It is better to allow lawlessness to continue. Now don't judge me. Think before you act. You don't want some proto-police state going around and prosecuting crimes/ruling our lives now do you. I didn't think so.

27 posted on 04/10/2006 7:08:59 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: digger48
Dunno. I'm pretty near my tipping point.
28 posted on 04/10/2006 7:09:00 PM PDT by null and void (We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle)
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To: B-Chan
The PEW Hispanic center has determined that only "3%" of illegals work in agriculture, the vast majority are in the service and construction jobs.
29 posted on 04/10/2006 7:11:05 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: Migraine

Hmmmmmmm. Interesting.

But it does sort of remind me of a Hogan's Heroes episode, where they were conscripted to build a bridge. Hogan made some aside comment to the effect that it would be the first bridge with a built in bomb...


30 posted on 04/10/2006 7:12:28 PM PDT by null and void (We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle)
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To: MNJohnnie
Many people in the 20s and 30s don't file for unemployment. If they are looking for a job, they check the classifieds, they don't walk into an unemployment office.
31 posted on 04/10/2006 7:13:21 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: MammalModerate

bookmark


32 posted on 04/10/2006 7:13:36 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: popdonnelly

Funny how the liberals support corporate welfare for their causes and ends.


33 posted on 04/10/2006 7:14:07 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: popdonnelly

"It would be more efficient to put the employers behind bars than to try to round up all the illegals."

Why should an employer have to check on the legality of employees, when the federal government won't do it? Which one has the resources? If an illegal alien isn't hired by Employer A, won't he just go down the road to Employers B, C and D? Isn't it more efficient for the feds to stop him before he starts making the rounds?


34 posted on 04/10/2006 7:14:37 PM PDT by Tymesup
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To: B-Chan
I therefore propose that we, as a nation, retire the "Illegal aliens take jobs Americans won't do/don't want" argument.

It is, unfortunately for this article, a valid argument, especially in the case of food.

Ironically, the author steps on his own member: Anybody using this argument either has no grasp of economics or is being disingenuous due to the presence of an ulterior motive.

The economics are these: Americans might do the backbreaking agricultural jobs, but not for the wages at which illegals will do them. American farmers are operating on very thin margins and competing with foreign producers, so they've got a strong incentive to minimize their payroll costs -- hence the strong demand for illegal labor.

Farmers MIGHT automate -- but in that case, Americans still wouldn't be doing those jobs. Or the farmers might just go belly up -- again no agricultural jobs.

Sorry, the article dies on its own poor assumptions.

35 posted on 04/10/2006 7:14:46 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: MammalModerate
America already has a workforce standing by to work the jobs illegals do.

It's called the Unemployment Line.

Simply put, with offices all over America. During a transition period, - anyone on unemployment is eligible to be dispatched to fill a vacancy.
If they refuse..........then don't look for the UI check to be sent.

No way we need any illegals in this country!

Get rid of the lawbreakers...........NOW!
36 posted on 04/10/2006 7:15:50 PM PDT by Englishforever (No More Spanish language in America!)
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To: MNJohnnie
Remember, that 5% includes the unemployable (handicaps, elderly and infirm) as well as the marginally employable (personality defects, drug abusers, the lazy, the criminal etc).I believe that that number does not include several of the groups you include. If you have not held a job in the last year you are not included in the statistics as unemployed (one reason why US unemployment stats are lower than Europe, we stop counting people as unemployed sooner). To a large extent the jobs will simply be eliminated (why hire 40 men to pick lettuce when you can buy a machine that with a single operator can pick just as much lettuce?) This mechanization was severely retarded in the southwest because of the large supply of illegal aliens.
37 posted on 04/10/2006 7:16:08 PM PDT by Fraxinus
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To: hophead
Another line that needs to stop, "we can't just deport all of the illegals, there are too many of them".

Looked to me like the Dallas Area Rapid Transit System (DART) was well able to handle shuttling 100's of thousands of people to and from that gathering on Sunday.

It's just a matter of where the bus stops...

38 posted on 04/10/2006 7:16:18 PM PDT by Vortex (Garbage in, Garbage Out)
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To: B-Chan

The more pressure we keep on Mexico, immigration-wise, the more reformers
inside of Mexico can be emboldened and empowered to scale back monopolists'
abuses down there which keep our own country flooded with economic refugees.
Here's an interesting new thread on new legal reform progress that finally
emerged in Mexico I think as a result of immigration reform's failure:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611677/posts

We can make a difference for our sake, and their's as well. Isn't it the
neighborly thing to do?


39 posted on 04/10/2006 7:16:41 PM PDT by Shuttle Shucker
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To: r9etb

What did they do in the south after slavery was abolished? Invented machines that more efficiently processed cotton than humans could.


40 posted on 04/10/2006 7:16:51 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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