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A difficult lesson [Why the world should stand back and let Israel do what it has to do]
Treppenwitz ^ | July 16, 2006 | David Bogner

Posted on 07/18/2006 5:39:29 AM PDT by Alouette

When I was in the Navy, I once witnessed a bar fight in downtown Olongapo (Philippines) that still haunts my dreams. The fight was between a big oafish Marine and a rather soft-spoken, medium sized Latino sailor from my ship.

All evening the Marine had been trying to pick a fight with one of us and had finally set his sights on this diminutive shipmate of mine... figuring him for a safe target. When my friend refused to be goaded into a fight the Marine sucker punched him from behind on the side of the head so hard that blood instantly started to pour from this poor man's mutilated ear.

Everyone present was horrified and was prepared to absolutely murder this Marine, but my shipmate quickly turned on him and began to single-handedly back him towards a corner with a series of stinging jabs and upper cuts that gave more than a hint to a youth spent boxing in a small gym in the Bronx.

Each punch opened a cut on the Marine's startled face and by the time he had been backed completely into the corner he was blubbering for someone to stop the fight. He invoked his split lips and chipped teeth as reasons to stop the fight. He begged us to stop the fight because he could barely see through the river of blood that was pouring out of his split and swollen brows.

Nobody moved. Not one person.

The only sound in the bar was the sickening staccato sound of this sailor's lightning fast fists making contact with new areas of the Marine's head. The only sound I have heard since that was remotely similar was from the first Rocky film when Sylvester Stallone was punching sides of beef in the meat locker.

Finally the Marine's pleading turned to screams.... a high, almost womanly shriek. And still the punches continued relentlessly.

Several people in the bar took a few tentative steps as though they wanted to try to break it up at that point, but hands reached out from the crowd and held them tight. I'm not ashamed to say that mine were two of the hands that held someone back.

You see, in between each blow the sailor had begun chanting a soft cadence: "Say [punch] you [punch] give [punch] up [punch]... say [punch] you [punch]were [punch] wrong [punch]".

He had been repeating it to the Marine almost from the start but we only became aware of it when the typical barroom cheers had died down and we began to be sickened by the sight and sound of the carnage.

This Marine stood there shrieking in the corner of the bar trying futilely to block the carefully timed punches that were cutting his head to tatters... right down to the skull in places. But he refused to say that he gave up... or that he was wrong.

Even in the delirium of his beating he believed in his heart that someone would stop the fight before he had to admit defeat. I'm sure this strategy had served him well in the past and had allowed him to continue on his career as a barroom bully.

Finally, in a wail of agony the Marine shrieked "I give up", and we gently backed the sailor away from him.

I'm sure you can guess why I have shared this story today.

I'm not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine's woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave. But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself if it is to finally be rid of at least one of its tormentors:

This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat.

Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today.

President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria, has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire.

Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Dummies Arab Despots' by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in '56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success:

Instigate a war.

Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire.

Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce.

Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle.

This tactic has never failed. Not once.

In fact it worked so will for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding... it's a national holiday over there!

President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."

Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country.

And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a draw.

As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat.


TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: arabs; israel; war
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1 posted on 07/18/2006 5:39:33 AM PDT by Alouette
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2 posted on 07/18/2006 5:40:14 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 106-107)
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To: Alouette

The law of fights with bullies, well stated.


3 posted on 07/18/2006 5:42:33 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Alouette
In fact it worked so will for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding... it's a national holiday over there!

Now I know where the demonRATS got their victory in defeat strategery. It is all beginning to make sense now. Thanks for the post.

4 posted on 07/18/2006 5:49:59 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Alouette

Excellent article, thanks for posting it.


5 posted on 07/18/2006 5:52:46 AM PDT by Semper Vigilantis (Illegal Immigration will dry up the day after the welfare programs do.)
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To: bvw

I had such a fight in grade school. There was a bully in the class above me. Each day as we marched from our school to the park a block away for recess, he bullied someone. The teachers would interfere, but never disciplined him.

One day it was my turn (we'd just reached the park). He swatted me on the back of the head. By the time I was done he was on the ground pleading that I stop. I told the teacher who pulled me off him that I wouldn't stand bullying. I was never disciplined, either.

That was a long time ago, though, and people look at things differently today. It's unfortunate.


6 posted on 07/18/2006 5:53:44 AM PDT by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" – Anonymous)
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To: Alouette

Great story. I think he totally made up that bar fight, but hey... it's a great story! LOL! And it's true. The Arab world needs to be brought down hard and made to say "I surrender."


7 posted on 07/18/2006 5:55:32 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Just A Nobody
And this is why Ann was/is correct in her description of the widows and why she will come out on top (freudian slip .. oops) after sanity once again descends upon the American psyche.

For too long, evil has prevailed .. and good men and women are no longer doing nothing.

God, (continue to) bless America

8 posted on 07/18/2006 5:56:45 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Alouette

Has always been my philosophy...Never turn your back on your opponent while he's still able to get up...

This piece is sound advice for Israel...I hope they take it...


9 posted on 07/18/2006 6:00:59 AM PDT by Iscool (President Bush loves AMNESTY...But he hates the DICTIONARY...)
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To: Alouette; 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; ahayes; albyjimc2

Every once in a while in the history of the civilized, it is necessary to prune back the poison ivy of Islam, and uproot it where possible. Now it's Israel's turn. I hope they stack the dirty SOBs like cordwood.


10 posted on 07/18/2006 6:05:57 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (( Vote Fraud: The Democrats' Secret Weapon .... Well, secret to the RNC, anyway.))
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To: Alouette
Absolutely right and appropriate.

[With all the MSM's snickering over Bush's inadvertantly mic'ed comments yesterday, jackoffs like Andrea Mitchell, Olberman, et al. forgot to add that he was RIGHT.....Syria & Iran ARE at the bottom of this, and enabling a bunch of neanderthals, and Kofi Annan is a Class-A1, incompetent, bungling, Third World buffoon, that should be fighting off dogs for his dinner while picking through garbage at the edge of some tin-roofed African shanty town]

11 posted on 07/18/2006 6:08:56 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: knarf
I agree about Ann and the fact we are no longer doing nothing!

Keep the pressure on CONgress though. They will have us surrender the second they feel they can slip it through.

12 posted on 07/18/2006 6:10:03 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Alouette
Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire.

They summed up most of the Arab-Israeli fighting in just one sentence.
13 posted on 07/18/2006 6:11:32 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: DoctorMichael

Glad to see others feel the same as I do about Koffee. ;*)


14 posted on 07/18/2006 6:11:38 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: DoctorMichael
Geeez, doc .. stop using all that fancy medical talk and tell us what you really mean?

Excellent diagnosis and proper rx, imo.

15 posted on 07/18/2006 6:45:13 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Alouette
Excellent what he wrote there. I can see it all easily and the comparison is a great thing to set in people's minds. Grew up with brothers and I remember well that fights they had with each other, their buddies over something and how raw and savage it could get between just boys scraping. Dang feminist women in this country telling boys not to fight for 40 years, sissyfying-em - dang em all. This is what God put in men to keep it all in check.
16 posted on 07/18/2006 6:50:05 AM PDT by Esther Ruth (Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The LORD is thy keeper!)
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To: DoctorMichael

"Famous Anus" has a future handing out towels of some nightclub's men's lounge..


17 posted on 07/18/2006 6:58:04 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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18 posted on 07/18/2006 7:01:23 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: Alouette
carefully timed punches that were cutting his head to tatters... right down to the skull in places.

2 questions

1.Is this remotely plausible? I mean I am supposed to beleive that bare fists to the head would have caused damage like this?

2. Are there any Marines out there who think one of his own would let a sailor get the better of him like this?

19 posted on 07/18/2006 7:02:32 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit ("my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side" - Lincoln)
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To: Alouette; Salem
"This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat. Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today. ... [snip] ... As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat."

NAILED IT!


20 posted on 07/18/2006 7:04:09 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (The Arab League jihad continues on like a fart in an elevator - FR American in Israel)
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