What, did you people forget already?

Ok, so what happened to you people? I read some of you advocating running in Iraq.

Did you forget that the Middle East is probably the darkest region in the world - liberty-wise?

Did you forget that none of the reasoning for taking out Saddam was in doubt? That it still is not?

Did you lose your faith in humanity? Did you decide that Iraqis are too... subhuman... to want peace, to figure out where the violence comes from, to choose a better path when it can be shown to them?

Did you lose your faith in the following "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are endowed by thier creator with certain inalienable rights, that among those rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..."???

Did you forget that "governments are instituted among men to secure these liberties for the people"???

Did you forget the blood of Americans rests in the ground on every continent of this planet, shed to defend and spread liberty? And to honor that blood, we must NEVER cease doing so?

Did you forget that our guys over there have shed blood to do the right thing, and if you abondon that, you're making their sacrafice for nothing?

Did you forget that our guys can beat ANYONE, no matter how bad, determined, fanatical, zealous, or determined... So long as WE don't lose faith and give up?

How DARE you profane the names of those who have died, those who have been wounded, and those have lived day after day, doing the dangerous work, by now suddenly declaring what they did to be a failure! Shame on you.

Excuses about "bungling" or "losing" or other such rot is nothing but media nonsense and Democrat rhetoric. Don't believe it. Our guys over there don't believe it, so why should you?

Grow a pair. Get some guts. Stiffen the old back. Whatever it takes, suck it up and STAND UP FOR THE RIGHT THING, and that HAS NOT CHANGED.

AS FREE PEOPLE, you have a moral obligation to spread freedom where there is none. You cannot spread the Gospel where the countries are closed, where Christianity is an enemy of the state, because the state is a religion to itself...

I am dumbfounded that people that consider themselves conservatives could stand around and say "but we have no obligation to help anyone else be free... we can just sit on our butts for generations on end and let the oppressed be oppressed, we have no need of lifting a finger for them..."

Unless we, as Americans, actively work at spreading liberty around the globe, we don't value it enough to even bother defending it here.

My disgust at this notion knows no bounds...

"AS FREE PEOPLE, you have a moral obligation to spread freedom where there is none."

Please support that statement with scripture.

You cannot spread the Gospel where the countries are closed

Christianity exists and thrives in every corner of the globe.
The best examples of Christianity are to be found in the persecuted churches,
rather then the materialistic western churches.

"but we have no obligation to help anyone else be free...
we can just sit on our butts for generations on end and let the oppressed be oppressed,
we have no need of lifting a finger for them..."

I don't believe a single conservative feels that way.
I believe that we should arm oppressed people to the teeth
so that they can fight to obtain their freedom.
If they don't earn their freedom, they'll never value it, and they'll never keep it.

There are plenty of "wars of liberation" going on all over the planet.
Put your money where your mouth is, and suit up, mount up and go free the world.
Just don't tell the rest of us we have a moral obligation to cover your stupid butt.

"AS FREE PEOPLE, you have a moral obligation to spread freedom where there is none." Please support that statement with scripture.

What? That statement does not stand on its own for you? You're that closed minded and that indifferent to the plight of humanity that I have to provide a BIBLE TEXT to convince you that people who are oppressed need freedom?

You cannot spread the Gospel where the countries are closed Christianity exists and thrives in every corner of the globe. The best examples of Christianity are to be found in the persecuted churches, rather then the materialistic western churches.

If we're to follow your logic, then the way to spread the Gospel, is to campaign for the Gospel to be silenced world-wide, and the oppression will cause it to spread. This, of course, is patently stupid. But far more revealing is your "materialistic western churches" nonsense. Your liberalism is peeking through. You're not able to hide it.. Hate always has a way of showing it's ugly head.

I don't believe a single conservative feels that way. I believe that we should arm oppressed people to the teeth so that they can fight to obtain their freedom. If they don't earn their freedom, they'll never value it, and they'll never keep it.

We cannot "arm" anyone without getting into a war with the oppressive governments. Your statement reveals "politics by slogan" rather than any considered or principled ideas. Name for me one nation... ANY nation, which has managed to revolt against a dictator or tyrannical regime by force of arms, and then become a free democracy? You can't, can you? It doesn't happen. Tyrants must be beaten down by those who have the power to do so, and the path to self-governance even without them in power is long and difficult.

There are plenty of "wars of liberation" going on all over the planet. Put your money where your mouth is, and suit up, mount up and go free the world. Just don't tell the rest of us we have a moral obligation to cover your stupid butt.

Well, I never claimed any particular quantity of intelligence for my posterior, so... That's kinda pointless, isn't it? But far more of interest, is your attitude. I don't believe for a moment you're a principled conservative. Those who see no reason to get involved in promoting freedom the world over (which requires far more than guns and bombs) don't really value it anyway. They're just playing the politics of expediency with a mask of "the right phrases". And while you're going on about the wars of liberation... Could you name them for me? Because aside from Iraq and Afghanistan... I can't find any. Every war I know of going on is either one of defense against an agressor, or one of one agressor against the helpless. There are no "wars of liberation" going on, except those who, by the virtue of having the power and wealth - combined with the will to fight for liberty - can actually achieve such ends - that being... solely... US.

The only problem was that we did not have enough troops to establish security so we would be able to occupy the country correctly.

Assuming that "occupying" was the rational thing to do.
It was the absolutely wrong thing to do!

My take of the "right thing" has been to bomb the whole lot into oblivion and keep them busy for a generation rebuilding.

What we have done is clinically insane.
We bomb and destroy stuff. Then we spend a mint to rebuild it, just to have to bomb it again.
History tells us that the victor decides, and if "helping" is the decision, then one pays for rebuilding only after an unconditional surrender.

And for the "not all muslims are bad" crowd, DIMMIT! listen to their definition of "innocent" non muslims; there aren't any!

In order to defeat an ignorant, ruthless, primitive enemy, you first must look carefully as to how he "sees" the fight, then "outruthless" him.

Sacrificing American lives for world "brownie" points is criminal insanity.
Destroying their infrastructure and isolating them, then leaving, was the only rational approach. Now we literally finace both sides of the war!

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