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Heads UP - Serious Chatter
Antimullah ^ | December 6th, 2006 | Alan Peters

Posted on 12/06/2006 1:44:01 PM PST by FARS

SERIOUS CHATTER INDICATES SOME HEAVY DUTY EVENTS ARE ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE IN OR RELATIVE TO IRAN.

Far bigger activity than Human Rights student demonstrations scheduled for Iran today. More when I get clearer details but it appears some serious political activity or plan has come into play.

As a side bar, note Iran has virtually stopped accepting Dollars for oil payments being made to it. This unlinking of the dollar from oil can create a worldwide disaster as the Dollar loses its underpinning - oil.

NOTE: the Dollar has already lost strength against other currencies in the past couple of weeks.

Central Banks would begin to lighten their Dollar holdings to minimize their losses as the value of the dollar declines, putting ever more pressure on the Dollar.

Even creating a run on it, similar to a run on a bank which becomes insolvent and depositors rushing to withdraw their money. Destabilizing the bank even further.

The downward spiral of the Dollar will soon drag down other currencies. One of the reasons we went into Iraq was to prevent this slippery slope. Russia, Saddam Hussein and a couple of other countries like Nigeria had put selling their oil mostly in Euros on the table.

Had OPEC been allowed to follow suit, the whole world, not just the USA would have suffered inconceivable economical dislocation.

Go to "Oil Story Revisited" via the Archive Details link in the left hand column. Far more dangerous than nuclear weapons, if the dollar crashes - and under some circumstances it will be hard, or impossible, to prevent this. The world economy crashes with it.

Because there was some vestige of sanity in the old Iranian Mullah leadership, till about a year ago, when Ahmadi-Nejad was "selected" President, mostly to protect their own enormous wealth, the Mullahs were careful not to destabilize the value of the Dollar.

Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who was a destitute cleric at the time of the 1979 Khomeini revolution, fairly recently moved some two BILLION Dollars of personal assets from various holdings around the world into a couple of Moslem Asian countries like Malaysia, Brunei and also Singapore.

(Ahmadi-Nejad - on behalf of Iran, emptied Swiss bank vaults of gold bullion owned by Iran at around the same time).

Khamenei used to live in a two room dwelling in the poorest part of town feeding himself and his family through sporadic, tiny, charitable donations in the city of Mash'had in North-East Iran.

His only income came from joining (unsolicited) a multiple of other insignificant clerics at burials, following the casket or shroud to the grave and singing "dirges" hoping to receive a tip from the family and mourners.

Were it not "religious" we would rightly term it begging.

By contrast, Ahmadi-Nejad, also coming from an impoverished family has lived frugally all his life, owns little or nothing and cannot imagine not being able to supply himself with the unleavened bread and Fetta cheese, tea and daily stew on which he lives. World crash or no world crash.

Interestingly, when "ayatollah" Khamenei was an indigent cleric, he was asked his philosophy about how he might operate were he to wake up and find himself the most powerful man in Iran. The allegory used was "find himself in the shoes of the Shah".

After protests he could not imagine himself in such a high position, he stated he would take the wealth of the nation and distribute it all among the populace, specially the poor, so nobody would have to face the misery and poverty he was enduring.

Look at the misery, torture, imprisonment and poverty he has inflicted since then on his erstwhile (beloved??) fellow citizens.

He showed the same mentality and ignorance of fiscal and economical requirements that Khomeini did when he arrived on scene in 1979. Both these ignorant clerics could recite the Koran but in all other subjects knew next to nothing - and I am not exaggerating. They resemble students who go to school forever but only study one subject - philosophy - to the exclusion of everything else.

Shortly after his return, Khomeini responded to a question about Iran's forthcoming budget, with "I have it on a piece of paper in my pocket!" Referring to what required several thick volumes (just as indexes) and suitcases in which to carry them to the Majliss (parliament) for ratification.

By the way, the self-righteous Ahmadi-Nejad, apparently is not as righteous as he pretends, reportedly passing sizeable contracts to his brother while mayor of Tehran and according to some sources lining his own pockets.

And the pockets of the representative of the Hojatieh spiritual leader, Mohammad Taghi Mesbah Yazdi, attached his personal office/secretariat and "keeper of the gate" without whose approval nobody gets to see Ahmadi-Nejad.

Not even his own staff or Cabinet Ministers.

Putting all this into perspective, Ahmadi-Nejad has suddenly ratcheted up his threats to cover the whole Western civilization, not just Israel, disappearing from the face of the earth. He only has a half dozen nukes, so he is certainly referring to his oil/currency disruptive capability.

A far deadlier weapon than the subject of nuclear weapons, which has kept focus off the radar screen of the news media, tactical and strategic analysts, intel assessments and those in power.

Hopefully, the new Democrat Congress will get over their myopic Bush bashing and rise to the occasion and literally help save the world.

If they wish to be around long enough to enjoy their win. Not politically but in real life as millions of Americans lose jobs, incomes etc., which even the US government cannot help overcome with Welfare or soup kitchens.

This applies in Spades to the European Union that still has its head stuck deep in the sand, pretending it cannot happen, when it certainly will. Unless stopped just as drastically as the drastic consequences of not doing so.

Hitler will have been a walk in the park compared to what we are about to receive.

I ask this question of all readers: better destroy 400,000 Revolutionary Guards and all of their equipment (simply burying the entrances to nuclear facilities will suffice for now on that aspect), perhaps inflict somewhere in the region of 40,000 civilian deaths as collateral damage and thus open the way for a suddenly freed populace to rise up and destroy the Mullahs - or play nice and civilized (they do not) and suffer tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of casualties around the globe, in death and suffering when the global economy crashes?

Inconceivable? Not if you follow the dotted lines and know your global economy and how fragile it really is. There is not enough money in the world to buy up suddenly available dollars to bolster the currency, even if every Central Bank decided to do that instead of divesting itself out of self-preservation.

Think carefully about being goody-goody two shoes in this clash of cultures led by an Islamic nutcase.


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To: nuconvert

I still cannot get a handle on exactly what is happening or supposed to happen. Got some vague calls last night. Trying to verify from other sources but nothing clear coming up - other than - as you say - forthcoming elections. Although I got the sense that what is about to happen is anti-mullah in general and not particularly about who is there.


61 posted on 12/06/2006 10:00:04 PM PST by FARS
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To: FARS
A crash in the dollar would have more impact outside the US than inside it, because the Chinese economy would be crushed, and Europe would notice a decline in higher end auto exports. But anyway, currency fluctuations:
Google

62 posted on 12/06/2006 10:08:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SauronOfMordor; All

"Similarly, they will ask the next Dem president: are you willing to send the US into depression during your administration? We didn't think so."





I think you are assuming there is or there will be a choice. The aim is not blackmail but eradication and return of the 12th Imam.

All this is so strange to our values and mind sets that we look at it but fail to see it.

My effort is to have people truly see what they are seeing.


63 posted on 12/06/2006 10:23:29 PM PST by FARS
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Yes! They would rather see millions - tens of millions - of Moslems dying of hunger and bringing them closer to their spirtual goal of creating enough death and destruction for their 12th Imam to have reason to return and redeem the world. That is what the Hojatieh is all about and so inconceivable to you and almost everyone else in the world.

They do not believe in countries, they believe in an Islamic caliphate that rules the whole world under Islamic Sharia law as it was 1,300 years ago, the word of Allah as written in the Koran and as spoken by the Prophet Mohammad.

NOTHING else counts or has value.

Now do you get it?


64 posted on 12/06/2006 10:32:58 PM PST by FARS
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To: Tennessean4Bush; All

"Yahoo! Goods manufactured in the US will become more marketable."




Not when the rest of the world has NO money either with which to buy even cheap American goods. Or any goods from anywhere. A dollar crash crashes the rest of the world with it.

Barter will become the sole viable channel of commerce of any kind.


65 posted on 12/06/2006 10:36:40 PM PST by FARS
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To: Marine_Uncle

It's not oil, it's currency. sleep well.


66 posted on 12/06/2006 10:38:19 PM PST by FARS
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To: SunkenCiv

You speak of fluctuations - you should perhaps speak of crashes of demolition derbies as economies crash into each other outside the USA they destroy ours in the process. The Chinese are the biggest holders of our outstanding debt and we would not be able to service our debt, not even pay the interest on it, so our own economy would crash.

When there is nobody to whom to export our goods, nor because they ceased to manufacture for lack of cashflow, anyone to sell us goods we need, what do you think happens? To our economy?

You describe a chicken or the egg situation but it is more likely, since the value of the dollar is artificially kept high by being the sole currency with which to buy oil, that if it is unlinked from oil, the crash will arise insidethe USA and our crash will bring down everyone else. With China clearly at the forefront.


67 posted on 12/06/2006 10:51:57 PM PST by FARS
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To: redgolum
LOL! Are you back in the States yet?

Nope. Still in beautiful, downtown Baghdad. ;-)

68 posted on 12/07/2006 1:02:22 AM PST by Allegra (Vote Dulcie / Finbar 2008)
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To: null and void
Are you walking on glass?

No....nothing seems out of the ordinary here.

Not that this place is exactly ordinary.

69 posted on 12/07/2006 1:06:41 AM PST by Allegra (Vote Dulcie / Finbar 2008)
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To: FARS
The rumored nightmare of the Iranian Oil Bourse was supposed to happen last spring. When it didn't happen, I'd hoped the idea was untenable- looks like they're finally doing it.

Thanks for the post.

70 posted on 12/07/2006 5:08:08 AM PST by fat city (What part of cognitive dissonance don't you understand?)
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To: FARS

It is not that they are insane. It is that they have a different set of core assumptions. We would view the chaos of collapsing world economies as a bad thing, they view it as a good thing.

They are going about their plan in logical order. They want the Mahdi.


71 posted on 12/07/2006 6:02:45 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Allegra

I meant in your dream.


72 posted on 12/07/2006 7:52:26 AM PST by null and void (To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone. --Reba McEntire)
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To: Mongeaux
There's always the secret moon base...

Where do I find the secret moose bane?

73 posted on 12/07/2006 7:56:39 AM PST by r9etb
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To: FARS
"It's not oil, it's currency. sleep well."
It's about their desire to reduce the buying power of the US dollar by demanding all buyers pay in Euros dollars.
And this is but one small portion of the world's trade.
If all nations that export oil/gas along with OPEC decided to switch to Euro dollars as their means of payment then it would be a different story.
And countries, as well as the private sector who purchase oil/gas must use US dollars as their main means of payment for Iranian oil, tell Iran they will not go along with the deal then Iran is in a deep hole.
What I do see is their using it as a carrot/bribe to convince the Eurpoean nations to not side with the US as far as economical sanctions go.
Will the Russians, Chinese, South and Central Americans, Canada, exporting European nations (oil), Far East, Pacific Rim countries (all who export oil) go along with the Iranian wish to not accept US dollars in oil sales.
Iran can only push this stupidity so far. And surely growing numbers of the core Mullahs in Iran are becoming quite disenchanted with the policy changes of a few.
I do believe Mahmoud Ahmadinaejah and his promoters are going to find themselves out on the streets begging in the near future.
Along with his purging of old school Mullahs and other things like his demand to restructure where Iran keeps it's holdings etc., with of course his immediate master's approvals, he must be seen as a threat to the majority of Iranian of influence that do not go along with his mystical visions.
I believe we shall see him get the boot in the near future.
74 posted on 12/07/2006 8:55:40 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: FARS
Not when the rest of the world has NO money either with which to buy even cheap American goods. Or any goods from anywhere. A dollar crash crashes the rest of the world with it. Barter will become the sole viable channel of commerce of any kind.

Baloney! You are overstating and misrepresenting the point of the article. A worldwide currency collapse is not what the article states is the cause for the dollar's fall. The dollar falling, according to the article (a point I am neither endorsing nor denying), has to do with a switch to another currency in preference on oil markets. So while the dollar is falling, another currency is strengthening, right?

75 posted on 12/07/2006 8:57:42 AM PST by Tennessean4Bush (I would never belong to any club that would have someone like me as a member.)
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To: r9etb
Where do I find the secret moose bane?

DUH! It's secret!

76 posted on 12/07/2006 11:18:50 AM PST by Mongeaux (''I would sooner be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone directory," W.F. Buckley)
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To: FARS

I've been telling folks to enjoy their Christmas now, because we may be in 2 or three wars by next year.

The next year promises to be very interesting...!


77 posted on 12/07/2006 3:25:11 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Save the Republic! Mess with the polling firms' heads!)
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To: FARS
I think you are assuming there is or there will be a choice. The aim is not blackmail but eradication and return of the 12th Imam.

They would be willing to create a global bloodbath to achieve their aims. They might not be willing to provoke a bloodbath that would result in the eradication of Islam with the US left standing at the end. I'm assuming at least some rationality in the sense of them wanting to achieve their objective, rather than victory-less suicide

78 posted on 12/07/2006 3:47:46 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: Tennessean4Bush; All

"So while the dollar is falling, another currency is strengthening, right?"




Only for a very brief period till the falling weight of the dollar drags it down in a crash of its own.

A dollar collapse is so heavy no efforts to support it can succeed. Other currencies will shoot up against the dollar but because global economies are so interwoven, also apart from oil, the collapse becomes like a black hole sucking ever other currency into it and also virtually every other economy.

The survivors are those who grow their own food, weave their own cloth and can somehow need very little medical care. Barter becomes the final arbitor.

Unfortunately, as one of my friends remarked on this, if you hit people with a sledgehammer of truth and reality - as in this case - fear will make them reject you and the facts behind the premise.


79 posted on 12/07/2006 4:05:55 PM PST by FARS
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To: Marine_Uncle; All

You comments provide hope where I find little or none. From your lips to God's ears.




There is such a demand for oil - artificial or otherwise - that removing Iran's production from the market will jeopardize the price and supply.

Though I will note that not too long ago Iran had a whole lot of unsold oil - buyers were trying to teach them a lesson - so they had to store in oil tankers at huge cost.

Unfortunately, the West cannot "control" Iran and its forthcoming Oil Exchange (Bourse) it is starting, because China, India and many of the former Soviet states, some with borders to Iran, require the oil and natural gas.

They will be happy to pay in other currrency, even more so to barter and with Iran still the second or third biggest producer, withdrawal of that quantity from the normal market and available only through Iran's new "Bourse" will bypass any efforts to resist a currency change.

Specially as initially till everything hits the fan, oil prducing countries that follow suit will make more money for their oil by selling in Euros. So they will not cooperate willingly with the West and Venezuela, possibly Nigeria and even Russia may add weight to the currency change.

Ex-KGB Putin would not mind making more money at the pleasant cost of seeing the USA go under. Russia is one those economies that could survive since it has little trade with the USA and can manufacture most of its needs (quality aside) from domestic capabilites and mining.

Also the Russian populace still has an ingrained submissiveness of the Communist era and would not rise up as would most European or Western countries against their governments. Futile though these actions might be since no government strongly involved in the global marketplace will have the resources to avoid or repair the crash of the dollar.


80 posted on 12/07/2006 4:28:16 PM PST by FARS
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