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What Really Happened in Najaf? (WE ARE LOSING THE PROPOGANDA WAR, FOLKS)
Electronic Iraq ^ | 2/1/07 | Jeff Severns Guntzel

Posted on 02/01/2007 9:06:39 PM PST by tcrlaf

In today's Independent, Patrick Cockburn writes:

There are growing suspicions in Iraq that the official story of the battle outside Najaf between a messianic Iraqi cult and the Iraqi security forces supported by the US, in which 263 people were killed and 210 wounded, is a fabrication. The heavy casualties may be evidence of an unpremeditated massacre.

A picture is beginning to emerge of a clash between an Iraqi Shia tribe on a pilgrimage to Najaf and an Iraqi army checkpoint that led the US to intervene with devastating effect. The involvement of Ahmed al-Hassani (also known as Abu Kamar), who believed himself to be the coming Mahdi, or Messiah, appears to have been accidental.

The story emerging on independent Iraqi websites and in Arabic newspapers is entirely different from the government's account of the battle with the so-called "Soldiers of Heaven", planning a raid on Najaf to kill Shia religious leaders.

The cult denied it was involved in the fighting, saying it was a peaceful movement.


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KEYWORDS: iraq; najaf; propaganda; propoganda; taquiya; waronterror
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We are LOSING the Propoganda War, people....

Last Week's Najaf Battles are now being spun by the International Left as a HUGE massacre on the Part of US troops....

What I've Found so far:

US 'victory' against cult leader was 'massacre' http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2201103.ece

Pilgrims massacred in the 'battle' of Najaf Asia Times http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IB02Ak04.html

1 posted on 02/01/2007 9:06:43 PM PST by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf
I am REALLY worried about the propaganda war. I am as concerned over our ability to pull this out now as I have ever been.

If I hear one more time, in another election, that things couldn't be any worse with the Dems in charge...grrr.

So, what can we do?
2 posted on 02/01/2007 9:09:38 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: tcrlaf

A peaceful movement with shoulder fired missles?


3 posted on 02/01/2007 9:10:21 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (We are going to win!))
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To: tcrlaf
and as usual the left is a bunch of lying, back biting, two-bit, varmints. Check this out http://www.defenselink.mil/home/dodupdate/iraq-update/Handovers/index.html
4 posted on 02/01/2007 9:10:48 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: tcrlaf

Eh, either way some muslimes die, it's a win of sorts any way you look at it.


5 posted on 02/01/2007 9:14:00 PM PST by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: tcrlaf
Every city is a 'holy city', and all the people are on pilgrimage no matter where they are.

Every city has a shrine, and a holy mosque.

Any group of gathered people is a pilgrimage headed to a shrine.

How can we win this?

Reporting from the holy city of Chicago.

6 posted on 02/01/2007 9:14:22 PM PST by RushCrush (Do not stand in a place of danger trusting in miracles.)
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To: SandRat

You'll take notice that the "Mainstream" Media sources fail to include THIS tidbit???

Ahmed Du’aibil, Media Spokesman of the Najaf Governorate (SCIRI):

250 – 300 militants were killed in the clashes at Zarga. “16 terrorists” were detained, including two Egyptians and a Saudi.

***** "including two Egyptians and a Saudi"




As I said, it's a PROPOGANDA WAR, and we are losing it, with a leftist press that faces absolutely NO penalties for the lies that are getting good Americans killed...

Until we actually JAIL a traitor or two, we are going to continue losing, no matter how many victories we win, because everything is going to be spun as a loss...

I'd suggest starting with a Senator or two from the Dem Party...


7 posted on 02/01/2007 9:14:30 PM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: tcrlaf

Losing the propaganda war? We haven't even bothered engaging in that war to date. Our enemies control the field.


8 posted on 02/01/2007 9:14:48 PM PST by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: tcrlaf

The White House will get around to making a statement on this in a week or two or three -- after it has becomes frontpage news for a week or more.


9 posted on 02/01/2007 9:16:02 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: tcrlaf

The main stream media needs to post more pictures of what the celebrants do during this festival. There needs to be some discrimination as to the source of the blood that is photographed.


10 posted on 02/01/2007 9:16:57 PM PST by Sundog (What are we going to do tomorrow, Brain?)
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To: tcrlaf

We should have jailed Swimmer, Ramses Cluck, Jane Fondue and J-efn-Kerry in 1971.


11 posted on 02/01/2007 9:16:58 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: tcrlaf
We do not do "Propaganda" because it is about lies. We expect our enemies to lie all the time and we expect the left wing defeatists and traitors to lie all the time. What we do is we speak the truth, we fight, and we win.

Guys you must accept the fact that in this war or any other war the enemies foreign and domestic will lie all the time so please stop knee jerking everytime you see a lie.

12 posted on 02/01/2007 9:18:08 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: tcrlaf

How about we start by relentlessly calling our enemies on their propaganda and lies? It seems that we've taken the approach of not dignifying their claims with a real response, and it's harming us immensely. The bloggers' anti-propaganda debunking of the ubiquitous green helmet guy (during the recent Israeli-Hizbollah conflict) is a perfect example of what we should be doing constantly.


13 posted on 02/01/2007 9:18:24 PM PST by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: Constantine XI Palaeologus

You have a point...


14 posted on 02/01/2007 9:19:30 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: ellery

Your defeatist attitude is giving great aid and comfort to the enemy. The enemy does not control the field we do, and we have killed over 70,000 of them so far.


15 posted on 02/01/2007 9:20:06 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: tcrlaf

The new york slimes is trying to portray this as the story of how much the iraqi forces actually needed american assistance instead of doing it mostly on their own.


16 posted on 02/01/2007 9:20:35 PM PST by World_Events
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Well, at least they didn't print that our troops put panties on their heads.

" The cult denied it was involved in the fighting, saying it was a peaceful movement."

How did they peacefully shoot down our chopper during their peaceful pilgrimage? *spit*

17 posted on 02/01/2007 9:21:03 PM PST by DocRock (Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark)
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To: DocRock

http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000635.html

Photographs of their peaceful Ashoura celebrations...


18 posted on 02/01/2007 9:22:04 PM PST by Sundog (What are we going to do tomorrow, Brain?)
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To: jveritas

"Lies can travel half way around the world before the truth gets its shoes on"....Mark Twain


As the poster below states, we should be ATTACKING every single lie that comes out of the mouth of a leftist....

I understand why Bush took the high road, and assumed that THE TRUTH would eventually find it's way out, but that has OBVIOUSLY not worked...

We are fighting a war that is as much drive-by sloganeering, as it is drive-by shootings...

THE TRUTH is tough to explain in an easily shouted slogan like "Illegal War For Oil", and the attention span of the average sheeple grows shorter and shorter...


19 posted on 02/01/2007 9:22:24 PM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: tcrlaf
The President does not have time to attack every lie that goes around, he does not have time to attack 0.0000000000000000000001% of the lies, he has a country to run and a war to win.

The masters of propaganda wars were the Nazis and the Communists, both evil regimes now belong to the garbage of history.

20 posted on 02/01/2007 9:26:26 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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