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Giuliani: Put More States In Play, Or Else We'll Use [sic]
National Journal/Hotline ^ | 4/23/07 | Chuck Todd

Posted on 04/23/2007 11:05:52 AM PDT by meg88

April 23, 2007 Giuliani: Put More States In Play, Or Else We'll Use We've heard Giuliani advisers make this argument, but we've never heard it from the candidate himself.

Interviewed this a.m. on the Imus substitute on MSNBC, Giuliani said

"From a political point of view, I probably have the best chance of putting states like New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Washington, Oregon, California in play. And as a Republicans, if we don't put those states in play next time ... we may see a Democratic president."

Pennsylvania and New Jersey are realistic. California, Oregon and Washington are second-tier. Connecticut is unlikely.

But Giuliani's point holds, right?


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To: HostileTerritory

GHWB won’t throw them into play the way Rudy will.


81 posted on 04/23/2007 11:38:57 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Chunga
He is to the right of any Democrat currently in the field, and you know it.

Being a smidge rightward of the rest of the liberals is no grand feat.

82 posted on 04/23/2007 11:40:53 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Alberta's Child

“On the flip side . . . Giuliani might be the only Republican in modern history who could actually put states like Texas, Idaho, Wyoming and Nebraska in play.”


Yeah, too bad Rudy’s not a real Republican!


83 posted on 04/23/2007 11:40:58 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: oceanview

Thompson could well win Iowa and Wisconsin, which would overcome Ohio.

There is no state Bush won in 2004 which would be expected to be lost if Thompson is our candidate. And he also could take Oregon.

Minnesota might fall with Thompson as well and he’d help keep Al Franken out of the Senate — with Rudy, voters might come out to split the ticket with Rudy and Al.

Thompson probably wouldn’t win New York, but he’d bring out the “right” kind of voter, the ones that will vote for republican in down-ticket races, so he might win us a couple of house seats.

Rudy won’t do that — he was out pushing our house candidates in 2006, and we lost the new york seats with his help.


84 posted on 04/23/2007 11:42:07 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: HostileTerritory
By 2008 (if not already), New Jersey's median voter will be a recent immigrant from a Third World country or a recent immigrant from New York City (though that's a bit redundant).

Losing New Jersey should be considered a badge of honor for a principled conservative, and anyone who can win this state has no business in the White House, as far as I'm concerned.

85 posted on 04/23/2007 11:42:34 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: CharlesWayneCT

We most definitely need another good if not “great” communicator. I agree with you about both Romney and/or Thompson and I agree we don’t need to settle. We can give the socio-cons what they must have AND appeal to the mushy middle with good communication and leadership.


86 posted on 04/23/2007 11:43:58 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Jake The Goose

Well...yes and no. Yes Reagan did win states like NY, NJ, PA, CT, etc... Here’s the catch, though. 25 yrs ago the demographics in tose states were full of blue collar union democrats who voted Reagan. That demo is GONE. They picked and moved south or west and were replaced by those south of the border.


87 posted on 04/23/2007 11:44:25 AM PDT by paltz
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To: TeenagedConservative

If so many people are liberal that only a liberal can win, the solution is to run a conservative who can communicate so that we can convince them they are wrong OR draw conservatives from the half of the population that doesn’t vote now.

Either we win and turn the tide, or we lose, in which case after the liberal fails our country, people will learn their lesson like they did in 1994 and we win back. A hard lesson, but better than giving in to stupidity and giving them only a liberal to choose from.

I can’t imagine THAT pitch in 2016 : “Vote for republicans, we stuck you with 8 years of failed liberalism just to own the white house”


88 posted on 04/23/2007 11:45:27 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Brilliant
The polls I’ve seen say that Giuliani is the only candidate who can beat Hillary in Florida.

We are a year and a half from the election. Any such poll is meaningless. Most Floridians could barely pick Giuliani OR Hillary out of a lineup.

89 posted on 04/23/2007 11:46:25 AM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

Minnesota has a real Republican governor and one Republican Senator. New Jersey does not. Did you ever get out of the twin cities long enough to visit with real people in places like Moorhead (where I went to college), Mankato or Wadena? Republicans carried five of eight congressional districts in the last two presidential elections. How many did they carry in New Jersey? Minnesota still runs fairly honest elections. Does New Jersey?


90 posted on 04/23/2007 11:46:27 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Their new governor is a democrat, but is conservative on some issues that would put him at odds with Hillary.

The way he seems to disagree with Hillary is that he opposes the Iraq War and also has turned down money for abstinence-only programs.

Why does anybody think running a candidate who is the epitome of a generic “R” (Rudy Giuliani) overcomes that problem?

How do you figure that description for Giuliani? If nothing else, he is a unique personality who transcends party for a lot of people. Normally he's criticized for that here, called a RINO, not the epitome of a Republican! Fred Thompson, meanwhile, is praised for being an actor who voted an almost-solid Republican line in the Senate (ACU scores in the 80s being his strongest qualifier) but with no accomplishments. He's liked precisely because he is a generic "R" with the generic "R" profile designed to please the base but no one else.
91 posted on 04/23/2007 11:47:16 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: Neville72

And even if by some miracle Rudy wins, our conservative congresspeople will lose, because the independents that show up for Rudy will vote democrats down-ticket.


92 posted on 04/23/2007 11:48:20 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: HostileTerritory
Bill Clinton won New Jersey by only 80,000 votes in 1992. Gore’s 500,000 vote margin went down to 250,000 for Kerry, one of the biggest percentage swings in the country, and we can thank the 9/11 effect.

What about the Swing from 80,000 - 500,000? If 9/11 didn't draw us back into the 80,000 vote range - still a loss for the GOP - Why would it be different now after 4 years of Media pounding on the 'disasterous GOP run Iraq war'?

I don't buy it. I still believe that NJ will be Dem voting state until the issue of Voter Fraud is addressed. As it stands now the GOP would have to win by 500,000 votes to WIN at all.

Regards,

TS

93 posted on 04/23/2007 11:48:32 AM PDT by The Shrew (www.swiftvets.com & www.wintersoldier.com - The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: pookie18

Yep. And I remember all the rose-colored polls showing New Jersey was in play for Bush in 2004, Schlinder (sic?) in the governor’s race before that and the guy who was supposed to beat Lousenberg after the Torch pulled a ballot drop-out in September. None of them even came close. I don’t doubt that there are good people in New Jersey. Just not nearly enough of them.


94 posted on 04/23/2007 11:49:50 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: HostileTerritory

The northern liberal republicans are counting on the loyalty of the southern conservatives to vote for their liberal candidate, while they scare everybody else into voting for him.


95 posted on 04/23/2007 11:50:07 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Vigilanteman
Minnesota has a real Republican governor and one Republican Senator.

Minnesota had a great 2002. 2004 and 2006 were bloodbaths for Republicans in that state. Pawlenty was barely reelected (thank his opponent for calling a reporter "a whore" in October) and Coleman will have a difficult race next year. Mark Kennedy lost his open senate race by 20 points! Kean, Jr. did a lot better than that.

In addition, New Jersey's House delegation is 7-6 Democrat, while Minnesota's is a more lopsided 5-3 with one of them unseating an incumbent Republican last year.

There are a lot of swing voters in N.J. ready to support the right Republican. Minnesota was there several years ago, but antipathy to Bush cut short that trend.
96 posted on 04/23/2007 11:50:13 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: The Shrew

Most of the current polling data right now?


97 posted on 04/23/2007 11:50:54 AM PDT by meg88
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To: HostileTerritory
Actually the ACU of 80 rating goes a long way and not being insane like McCaine takes him the rest of the way.

Keep in mind, that Rudy is running for the Primary right now - he is as far right as he will go. After the primaries, its “Leftward, HO!”

98 posted on 04/23/2007 11:51:58 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: if his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: The Shrew
If 9/11 didn't draw us back into the 80,000 vote range - still a loss for the GOP - Why would it be different now after 4 years of Media pounding on the 'disasterous GOP run Iraq war'?

Because George W. Bush is the kind of Republican who does not appeal to voters in N.J. George H.W. Bush did better, and a northern Republican would do even better than that. You could not have cast a worse candidate to win in N.J. as a Republican in 2000 than an evangelical governor of Texas. Remember, the environment plays differently up there.
99 posted on 04/23/2007 11:52:26 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: meg88
while keeping the base close.

Rudy will not keep the base close. They base hates Rudy almost as much as Hillary, and his only hope is that our hatred of democrats is more.

Any liberal throws liberal states into play against Hillary, if you assume republicans will vote for him.

If Joe Leiberman ran as a republican, he'd trounce Hillary in the general election -- IF all the republicans still voted for him.

There is a reason we have primaries and don't let the general population pick our candidate -- because we'd end up with centrists that oppose what we believe in.

The Rudy supporters are trying to use opinion polls to replace our primaries in order to allow the democrats to pick our party nominee.

100 posted on 04/23/2007 11:53:30 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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