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Continuing The Bigotry
Captain's Quarters Blog ^ | 06/10/07 | Ed Morrisey

Posted on 06/10/2007 7:24:29 PM PDT by Reaganesque

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To: Turret Gunner A20
So once upon a time folks who believed the earth was round, or that it was not the center of the universe, or that blood circulated through the body were heretics

Yes, they were heretics.

Does that mean that those folks were wrong?

No, they were proven to be correct.

Therefore, it would seem that calling someone a heretic is kinda silly and an empty opinion based on little more than arrogant declarations of alleged truths.

Depends on the heresy. “The Round Earth” heresy did not lead millions to worship a god in a made-up religion, threatening their immortal soul.

And I will point out another source of doxens of inconsistencies — the Holy Bible. Does that make ALL christian sects out to be heretics?

No, one of them is correct or they are all wrong. Christ said He is THE way, THE truth, THE life. Not one of many. We have to try to figure out which is the correct one.

One way we do that is to see if, in context, things are consistent. I pointed out where Morman theology says that God is both unchanging but changes. This doesn’t make sense in any context. Another example is the Mormon doctrine that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are actually three separate gods. The Book of Mormon contradicts this view: " And Zeezrom said unto him: Thou sayest there is a true and living God? And Amulek said: Yea, there is a true and living God. Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. Now Zeezrom said unto him again: How knowest thou these things? And he said: An angel hath made them known unto me. Alma 11:26-31

We look at things in context. There is no context that can solve for the opposite views that have to be held to believe what Mormon’s believe.

Think on it?

I have. I just ask you to do the same, instead of closing your mind to a different possibility.

241 posted on 06/12/2007 10:03:51 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: Turret Gunner A20; nowandlater
Once again — this is not about what I believe or my opinions on the matter — which I have not stated. Turret Gunner A20 However, we read in post #217 the following opinion offered to Mormonism Apologist, nowandlater: Heresy police = bigots

Your opinion is quite obvious and accepts no further instruction despite your claim to seek such if it can meet your qualifiers. As I noted to you, God IS biased and has state so in no ambiguous terms. Have a nice week and stay safe.

242 posted on 06/12/2007 10:19:26 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: BuckeyeForever
Buckey, if it were that simple, than the LDS wouldn’t actively proselytize. No need... we can get all our converts through marriage and children! /sarc

Converts make up a huge portion of the rolls of the church, and all those young missionaries out spreading the Gospel certainly have a knowledge of their own doctrines because they run into folks like you every day, and need to be prepared.

Cheers

243 posted on 06/12/2007 11:31:53 AM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: Utah Binger

hahaha!


244 posted on 06/12/2007 11:32:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger

hahaha!


245 posted on 06/12/2007 11:33:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu; BuckeyeForever
Buckeye, if you want a sample of a Mormon who has done His homework, may I suggest “Jesus the Christ” by James Talmage, and early LDS Apostle. It is one of the most definitive works on our Lord and Master, from scripture ancient and modern. Here’s an on-line version:

http://www.cumorah.com/etexts/jesusthechrist.txt

246 posted on 06/12/2007 11:39:01 AM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: George W. Bush
Well, very very very few people seem to know that Romney is a Mormon

Are you kidding? It has become his defining signature, both in the MSM and on the street. If one is interested in politics in any sense of the word and doesn't know Mitt is a Mormon, then perhaps they shouldn't be voting for they are certainly not informed!

247 posted on 06/12/2007 11:41:39 AM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: colorcountry
>>>>>People (even conservatives) turn a blind eye to the political cliamate in Utah. This is definetly a case of Mormon bigotry.

They never even announced the results of the poll at the convention, everyone knew what the outcome would be. The party waited and posted the outcome on their internet site.

Mormons if you’re not embarrassed by this poll, you should be.<<<<<

Why? Orin hatch would not and never did receive that kind of support. His is Mormon, but he’s not Mitt. Remember, Romney saved the state from an embarrassing loss at the olympics, and gave the state a great image afterwards, it wasn’t because he was Mormon that he gets so much support.

If you really think this way Color, why don’s you ask Bro. Reid to campaign in Utah? ;-)

248 posted on 06/12/2007 11:49:25 AM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: Elsie
You take out one link, and the whole thing collapses!

Funny, that's what the mobs said when they killed Joseph and Hyrum.

How disappointing for them (and you) a hundred and 50 years later..

249 posted on 06/12/2007 11:53:43 AM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: Elsie; FatherofFive; Asclepius
Having read the linked article (in fact I downloaded it complete with footnotes), I find it almost amusing that Mormonism Apologists post articles like this which have at their foundation the arguments drawn from the very years of The Church that the Mormonism founder proclaimed were an apostasy! I mean, how much credulity are we supposed to extend to quoted sources which have been declared sourced in apostasy?

The illogic in Mormonism is astonishing to behold, especially when the adherents are so twisted by the convolutions that they cannot see the contradictions in the sources they so value, like this article by Peterson w/ Ricks! And the authors conclude that individual professions of 'being a Christian' should be taken at face value yet let the Lord judge the 'isms'. Of course, that is contrary advice to what Paul and Peter and James taught, as articulated in the New Testament writings, where we are admonished to resist the judaizing 'other voices bring' to the individuals, as if adherence to doctrinal additions to Jesus and Him Crucified are essential to salvation. It is so astonishingly demonic in deviousness don'tchaknow!

250 posted on 06/12/2007 11:58:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: sevenbak

Orrin Hatch never made it far enough to be considered in a Utah Strw Poll of delegates.

Reid is a shill for the Dems. They will use him, tarnish him a throw him in the garbage. Mark my words! I pray for Harry Reid. He will be abandoned by his political party and by the judgements of the adherants of his religion. I have great empathy for him even though I disagree politically for everything he stands for.

He still is a person.....he will be made to suffer. I pray he turns to God in his suffering. God can and will use Harry Reid, just as he uses us all.


251 posted on 06/12/2007 11:58:51 AM PDT by colorcountry ( We need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Duncan Hunter))
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To: Reaganesque

What else is new? I think it’s interesting how the anti-Mormon conservatives are in bed with the anti-Christian liberals. Very interesting.


253 posted on 06/12/2007 12:03:26 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Romney Rocks!)
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To: colorcountry; nowandlater
ben Joseph? (son of Joseph)? don’t you think it was referring to Jesus Christ,

No, there are two references to last day figures in Jewish lore. One is Messiah Ben Joseph and the other is Messiah Ben David. The latter is obviously Jesus Christ...

This should be some good reading for you, especially since it's from a non-LDS source... Read the links associated with it too..

http://www.messiahbenjoseph.com/He%20precedes%20Messiah%20ben%20David%27s%20second%20comming%20page.htm

nowandlater, I hope I'm not duplicating stuff you already sent

254 posted on 06/12/2007 12:10:20 PM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: bluewater926; Religion Moderator; sevenbak
That seemy post is uncalled for and a dump I will push the abuse button over. You may disagree with Mormonism Apologists, but making base, neandertal posts of a sexual nature on a thread such as this one is offensive.

For the record, I'm protesting this garbage, Moderator. Sevenbak should not be insulted with such garbage.

255 posted on 06/12/2007 12:11:08 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: bluewater926; Religion Moderator

This is really uncalled for!


256 posted on 06/12/2007 12:14:32 PM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you MHGinTN!


257 posted on 06/12/2007 12:15:19 PM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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To: sevenbak

free republic used to be free of god threads of such nature
don’t alienate the libertarians, we are part of this too.
where were you


258 posted on 06/12/2007 12:29:32 PM PDT by bluewater926
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To: FatherofFive

re: 241

“I have. I just ask you to do the same, instead of closing your mind to a different possibility.”

>>>> That isn’t quite true. Please tell me what I have closed my mind to. I have made no declarations of support or denial concerning anything that has come under discussion here. I have asked questions about the so far unproven opinions concerning the “heresies” you claim against Mormons. If I had a closed mind I wouldn’;t bother asking questions, now would I?

You accusers really need to learn not to try putting words in other people’s mouths of thoughts and beliefs into their minds and hearts.


259 posted on 06/12/2007 12:34:11 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: sevenbak

err, may i say, this is a relgion site ,muslim, hindu,
jesuit, todom ect. , what ever


260 posted on 06/12/2007 12:45:26 PM PDT by bluewater926
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