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Flippers, Floppers and Frauds vs. Duncan Hunter
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Posted on 11/19/2007 5:13:27 PM PST by dit_xi

After watching the Michigan GOP debate on the economy tonight, it may be understandable why casual GOP viewers might think “gee, we have a host of good choices”. Each candidate gave mostly reasonable answers to mostly reasonable questions, with at least an attempt at tying it to conservative principles. (I exclude Ron Paul, simply because he was on another planet for the evening, talking about cutting and running from the war against the terrorists in each answer).

But there was one moment that was most poignant, and it was not Mitt and Rudy’s amusing tit for tat on the constitutionality of the line item veto. It was when Duncan Hunter, after telling the audience about the loss of 54,000 manufacturing jobs in Michigan, turned to Fred Thompson, John McCain and Sam Brownback and said:

“And I would say to my colleagues, Senator Thompson, and the other senators, you all voted for Most Favored Nation trading status for Communist China. That set the groundwork for 1.8 million high-paying, manufacturing jobs moving offshore. Going offshore and some of them never to return. And what I would do is pass the Hunter-Ryan bill which would put countervailing duties on the Chinese when they cheat. They are cheating on trade right now. I’d bring those jobs back home to the United States. And I would connect up the middle class of America with the Republican Party one more time.”

Hunter was direct, in command and thoroughly convinced of his position. Fred was given the chance to respond and muttered something about the importance of ‘free trade’ being necessary for the US to maintain our economic strength.

However, the transparency of Thompson’s position was undercut by his subsequent admission that China was practicing unfair trade by devaluing their currency, the yuan, and that he would try to work that out.

But Hunter has been so far ahead of the curve on this issue, like on so many other issues, that Thompson and company now complaining about China is hollow rhetoric. First, notice the use of the term “communist China”. Above all else, Hunter recognizes these Mao protégés in charge of China are still an adversary, not a ‘partner’. The aforementioned Senators not only voted to give this communist nation a more than generous ‘permanent’ trade deal, but they did so at a time when many of their contemptible, hostile acts were being exposed. Those acts included illegally funneling money to democrats, a case that Thompson investigated and decided to turn into an advertisement for Campaign Finance Reform. They also included unprecedented theft of nuclear and military secrets from our labs and defense contractors, threats to nuke Los Angeles over the Taiwan situation, propping up North Korea’s and Pakistan’s nuclear programs, and bribing US companies and politicians for satellite (meaning missile) launch technology. And while doing this, the US congress each year passed another ‘extension’ of the Most Favored Nation trading status that they first obtained in the early nineties. And each extension was dutifully voted on and approved by McCain, Thompson and friends, while Hunter vociferously objected to this suicide pact. Hunter would bring out the intel folks to testify, publicize the Pentagon’s reports on the Chinese military buildup, point out the loss of manufacturing technologies, etc; all to no avail. PNTR was passed in 2000, eliminating the debate and removing any carrot-stick approach to trade with the chicoms for good.

So in addition to signing on to a horrible trade deal when China’s malfeasance was widely understood, the WSJ free traders opened the floodgates for computers and telecommunications equipment and automobile parts and everything in between being off-shored to a slave wage communist hellhole, at the expense of US manufacturing. Just look at the shelves in Home Depot today compared to 15 years ago. Power tools – Made in China. Hand tools – Made in China. Ceiling fans – Made in China. Light bulbs – Made in China. Microwave ovens – Made in China. Iconic ‘American’ products such as Masterlock – Made in China. Vise Grips – Made in China. Stanley – Made in China. Skilsaw – Made in China. For crap’s sake, the Radio Flyer Little Red Wagon is Made in China. The list is nearly endless.

The kicker is that these products are not only made in China, but that we have surrendered our manufacturing secrets and prowess, built up over many decades by preceding generations of US workers, to an enemy that has a strategy to take us down. Technology transfer is part and parcel of doing business with the People’s Liberation Army. Now, when a new high tech product like the Apple i-Phone is designed, it immediately goes to China for manufacturing. If China surpasses the US in microelectronics manufacturing, nothing will stop them from leapfrogging the United States in military system development in the future. All of this was bought and paid for by the blood, sweat and labor of the American worker. It is one thing to have ‘free trade’ with our longtime allies such as Canada, Britain and the Aussies, which Hunter supports. It is quite another to structure such a trade agreement with an adversary.

Duncan Hunter has understood this for a very long time. He has been the most consistent adversary of kowtowing to the Chinese. Hunter rightly points out that his good friend, the late, great President Reagan - a big believer in trade amongst nations- never gave the USSR a ‘free trade’ agreement. China is the new USSR, and it is only slowly that the GOP is now recognizing this fact, due primarily to Hunter’s non-stop, tireless pronouncements on Chinese duplicity.

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In fact, Hunter has not only been ahead of the curve on China, he has been ahead of the curve on Reaganite Conservatism, period. And out of the gaggle of candidates vying for the mantle of the New Reagan, he is the only one that even comes close. As the Vets for Hunter spokesman said recently, he is “more of a Reaganite than Ronald Reagan”. While certainly a stretch to compare a congressman to the Gipper in this manner, only Hunter is in the same ballpark.

When it was time to act on Reagan’s commitment to get a Constitutional Amendment to overturn the Court’s decision to ban school prayer – Reagan turned to Duncan Hunter.

When it was time to strong arm the defense build-up through the US House of Representatives – Reagan turned to Duncan Hunter.

When it was time to convince very skeptical European allies of the necessity and feasibility of the Strategic Defense Initiative – Reagan turned to Duncan Hunter.

When the entire weight of the Iran-Contra ‘scandal’ was tumbling down on Oliver North and President Reagan – only Duncan Hunter went toe to toe with the media and democrats.

When it was time to protect Duarte’s fragile democracy in El Salvador – Reagan relied on Duncan Hunter.

When Reagan proposed his massive tax cuts – Duncan Hunter was standing by his side.

When it was time to arm the contras and bring the Sandinistas to their knees – Reagan relied on Duncan Hunter.

When Reagan had incoming flack for his ‘evil empire’ speech from all quarters – Duncan Hunter punched them even harder, earning a place on Pravda’s enemies list.

When it was time to blunt the USSR’s power play in Europe with Pershing missiles on allied soil – Reagan had no firmer ally than Duncan Hunter.

When it came to Reagan’s eloquent defense of the unborn – there was no stronger believer than Duncan Hunter.

When Reagan saw the cracks in the Soviet armor – Duncan Hunter pulled out his pry bar.

When the entire world media, the democrats and most republicans lambasted Reagan from walking away from Reykjavik without an arms deal – Only Duncan Hunter vigorously defended the President.

When it came to slashing programs in the Federal Budget – Reagan could always rely on Duncan Hunter.

When it came time for Reagan to fire the Air Traffic Controllers for their illegal strike – Duncan Hunter gave him a spirited defense.

When it came to Reagan’s strong support for the 2nd Amendment – Duncan Hunter even upped the ante.

When it came to the Border Patrol, Duncan Hunter convinced Reagan to add hundreds more agents.

One huge area of disagreement, of course, was when Reagan proposed the 1986 Amnesty for illegal aliens. Hunter did not buy into that debacle for one minute, despite some arm twisting on the part of the Administration. Reagan eventually realized his friend was right.

******************************* When Duncan Hunter was campaigning for and with Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson was supporting Howard Baker for the presidency in 1980. In fact, even after Reagan won the nomination, Thompson did not donate to his campaign. He did not donate to it in 1984 either. Fred did, however, subsequently donate to GHWB’s and John McCain’s efforts for the top job, even becoming McCain’s co-chairmen in 2000. But a search of the newspaper data bases and political contribution records show nothing in terms of support for Ronald Wilson Reagan.

When Hunter was standing shoulder to shoulder with Ronald Reagan defending the goals and righteousness of the Vietnam War, Ron Paul was babbling on about foolish foreign adventures and unconstitutional wars, sounding more like John Kerry than anything resembling the Gipper. In fact, sounding a lot like he does today.

When Duncan Hunter was dropping out of college to go fight the communist stooges in Vietnam, Thompson, Romney, Rudy and Tancredo had convenient ‘outs’ to keep them out of harm’s way.

When Hunter was writing legislation to prohibit the lifting of trade sanctions with communist Vietnam - until they gave us unfettered access to POW/MIA archives - John McCain and Fred Thompson voted to give them the golden carrot.

When Duncan Hunter moved to threaten all trade with China for their 2001 downing and subsequent hostage taking of our airmen, it fell on deaf ears in the Senate.

While Hunter has worked tirelessly to secure the border and enforce the internal laws regarding illegal aliens year after year, Huckabee was calling law and order republicans racists, Fred was busy voting NOT to cut off their welfare benefits, and Brownback and McCain were hard at work on an amnesty plan.

When Duncan Hunter was telling our citizens that we “are a great country because we are a good country” and that he will “never apologize for America”, McCain was fretting about the “message” Club Gitmo was sending to the world and working fastidiously to hamstring our interrogators, Huckabee was channeling Barrack Obama with his “Our prestige in the world has been marred” baloney, and Ron Paul was urging us to listen to Osama Bin Laden’s complaints.

While Hunter was supporting the NRA’s and the pro-life movement’s first amendment rights, McCain and Thompson and Brownback were shoving Campaign Finance Reform down America’s throat, while Mitt and Rudy cheered from the sidelines.

When Duncan Hunter was becoming a board member of the American Conservative Union, forming the Conservative Opportunity Society with Newt Gingrich, being selected as President of the American Security Council and becoming the most knowledgeable member of the Armed Services Committee, Sam Brownback was earning D’s from the Americans for Better Immigration, Huckabee was raising taxes and singing Bill Clinton’s praises in Arkansas, McCain was hopping in front of CNN cameras touting his Gang of 14 maverick status, Rudy was telling Tim Russert about the necessity of partial birth abortion, and Fred was joining the Senate’s ‘Centrist Coalition’ and scheming on campaign finance reform with Russ Feingold.

And when Hunter stood tall and fought valiantly against Clinton’s gun grabbing Crime Bill, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney offered high praise for the so-called ‘assault weapons ban’.

As Hunter so aptly stated during a previous debate, “We need to move away from the Kennedy wing of the Republican Party”.

Truer words have never been spoken.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; andworthrepeating; duncanhunter
Free Pissant!!!

(Golden Child, not so golden)

Duncan Hunter, the only true conservative in this election.

Duncan Hunter, no nose holding necessary come election day.

1 posted on 11/19/2007 5:13:28 PM PST by dit_xi
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To: lakey; pissant; thelastinkling; indylindy; DakotaRed; familyop; ProCivitas; calcowgirl; AuntB; ...

Hunter PING!

Free Pissant, Please!


2 posted on 11/19/2007 5:14:21 PM PST by dit_xi (Duncan Hunter: No nose holding necessary come election day. Right on every issue, right every time)
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To: dit_xi
Flippers, Floppers & Frauds vs. Duncan Hunter – Part 1

Flippers, Floppers & Frauds vs. Duncan Hunter – Part 2

Flippers, Floppers and Frauds vs. Duncan Hunter, Part 3

3 posted on 11/19/2007 5:17:58 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: dit_xi

Again, let’s not let this “dropping out of college” stand. It was only temporary - he went on to graduate and to get a law degree.

Duncan Hunter’s education (as I posted yesterday) from nndb.com:

High School: Rubidoux High School, Riverside, CA (1966)
University: University of Montana
University: University of California at Santa Barbara
University: BS, Western State University, San Diego, CA (1968)
Law School: JD, Western State University, San Diego, CA (1976)


4 posted on 11/19/2007 5:22:51 PM PST by Joann37
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To: dit_xi

5 posted on 11/19/2007 5:25:54 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: dit_xi
"It was when Duncan Hunter, after telling the audience about the loss of 54,000 manufacturing jobs in Michigan, turned to Fred Thompson, John McCain and Sam Brownback and said:
'And I would say to my colleagues, Senator Thompson, and the other senators, you all voted for Most Favored Nation trading status for Communist China. That set the groundwork for 1.8 million high-paying, manufacturing jobs moving offshore. Going offshore and some of them never to return. And what I would do is pass the Hunter-Ryan bill which would put countervailing duties on the Chinese when they cheat. They are cheating on trade right now. I’d bring those jobs back home to the United States. And I would connect up the middle class of America with the Republican Party one more time.'"


...great post! That quote should be repeated often. Congressman Duncan Hunter himself spoke the truth!


6 posted on 11/19/2007 5:31:36 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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To: dit_xi

One of the major reasons I like Hunter is that he isn’t scripted. He knows where he stands and speaks the same everywhere he goes and speaks.

He has ideas and experience. Why those that agree with him don’t support him, claiming he doesn’t have support, just boggles my mind.

What’s happened to conservatives that so many refuse to support the one they say has the best message?


7 posted on 11/19/2007 5:32:42 PM PST by DakotaRed (Liberals don't rattle sabers, they wave white flags)
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To: Joann37

Dropping out of college to join the Army and fight for your country is not a negative in my book.

Although we never met, he and I must have been in country around the same time.


8 posted on 11/19/2007 5:34:57 PM PST by DakotaRed (Liberals don't rattle sabers, they wave white flags)
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To: DakotaRed

The fact that he’s been reelected so many times in a heavily hispanic district tells me that he can pull a fair portion of the American Hispanic vote.


9 posted on 11/19/2007 5:37:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: dit_xi

Yes, it is clear to me that Representative Hunter is not only the best candidate in this election cycle, but that he would have been the best in many others also.


10 posted on 11/19/2007 5:40:30 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: familyop
..watch the first 2 minutes of this:

Dearborn Mich. Debate

11 posted on 11/19/2007 5:41:08 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: dit_xi

Vote for Hunter!!!! Free Pissant!!!!


12 posted on 11/19/2007 5:52:08 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: DakotaRed
What’s happened to conservatives that so many refuse to support the one they say has the best message?

They aren't Conservatives.
13 posted on 11/19/2007 5:54:54 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: WalterSkinner

I think something is happening with Hunter. People are calling radio shows and he’s getting interviews. Laura Ingrahm spoke of him again tonight.


14 posted on 11/19/2007 5:55:40 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: cripplecreek

..did you hear or read about the podcaster who called Rush today?

He was really pushing the big guy to support DH publicly.


15 posted on 11/19/2007 6:04:59 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: DakotaRed

No, of course it’s not a negative. But it’s important to note that he went back to complete his education, and that he’s got a law degree, which puts him on par academically with the others with whom he’s competing.


16 posted on 11/19/2007 6:08:23 PM PST by Joann37
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To: WalterSkinner
"..watch the first 2 minutes of this:

Dearborn Mich. Debate
"

Thank you. I'll have to install and configure some software before viewing it. ...will report back after that.
17 posted on 11/19/2007 6:25:06 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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To: dit_xi

email Rush and sent this thread, do it in mass...if America cannot get Rush on board with a true Conservative.....Rush can no longer identify himself as a Conservative.


18 posted on 11/19/2007 6:58:40 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. And Vote For Mr. Duncan Hunter, America! TLWNW)
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To: no-to-illegals

Rush doesn’t endorse any candidate. He has said this on a number of ocassions. He talks about the issues facing whoever will be the candidate and attacks the democrats across the board.


19 posted on 11/19/2007 7:01:27 PM PST by Pistolshot (Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: no-to-illegals
Suggested Title for Email.....

I Support Duncan Hunter, Here's Why.

20 posted on 11/19/2007 7:01:33 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. And Vote For Mr. Duncan Hunter, America! TLWNW)
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To: dit_xi
Thank You, dit_xi.....

Here's our Chance....Let's Go To Work!

21 posted on 11/19/2007 7:03:22 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. And Vote For Mr. Duncan Hunter, America! TLWNW)
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To: dit_xi; All

Special Note to All of US. Let the naysayers have their say, but I suggest the naysayers be ignored on this thread, or don’t send the entire thread, or send the article only....let’s spread it far and wide.


22 posted on 11/19/2007 7:08:43 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. And Vote For Mr. Duncan Hunter, America! TLWNW)
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To: All

“First, notice the use of the term “communist China”.”

Hunter is the only candidate I hear call COMMUNIST China, COMMUNIST China.


23 posted on 11/19/2007 7:12:12 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: dit_xi

Great thread for a great MAN, Thanks.


24 posted on 11/19/2007 7:41:35 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: snowsislander

Yes he would have been. Give me Duncan Hunter over GHWB, GWB and Bob Dull.

Duncan Hunter will make the world take notice and America would be once again respected for her toughness. Even before I met him, I felt that Duncan Hunter was right on all the issues.

Hunter for President.


25 posted on 11/19/2007 7:42:50 PM PST by lone star annie (Duncan Hunter will put America First Always)
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To: WalterSkinner
"..watch the first 2 minutes of this:"

Duncan Hunter -- Dearborn, Mich. Debate

I watched it. It's great! Freepers, don't miss out on that! Watch it!

And thanks again to WalterSkinner.


26 posted on 11/19/2007 7:57:34 PM PST by familyop ("I'll buy that for a dollar!" --C.M. Kornbluth, in "The Marching Morons")
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To: dit_xi
Great Post!


27 posted on 11/19/2007 9:11:05 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: dit_xi; All

Anyone know if this has been posted yet? A new column from Alexander J. Madison. It’s a must read!!

http://theamericanwriter2007.blogspot.com/2007/11/fred-thompson-new-al-gore.html


28 posted on 11/19/2007 9:15:27 PM PST by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!! The steakiest steak in the race!!)
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To: upsdriver
..I saw that blog article--this is going to get some people upset. But there is nothing there that should not be discussed.

The current trend here is to declare everything disruptive or "trashing" that is counter to the perceived consensus. I disagree...

29 posted on 11/20/2007 6:59:56 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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