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Indonesians Report Obama Was More Active As a Muslim Than He Admits
obamawtf blog ^ | 04/09/08

Posted on 05/16/2008 9:53:11 AM PDT by freespirited

 
 

 

Indonesians report Obama was more active as a Muslim than he admits.

The Indonesian Newspaper Banjarmasin Post sheds light on Obama's early years. This report suggests that Obama has not accurately reported his early religious education. It also raises several legal questions relating to the fact that he was an Indonesian citizen, and whether he now needs to renounce his dual nationality. Clarification from Team Obama would be helpful

In summary the article states
1) Obama was active in the prayer room
2) Barry was at one time quite a religious Muslim
3) All his father's relatives were religious Muslims
4) Barry was registered as a Muslim and an Indonesian citizen at his school in 1968
5) Obama has now moved onto be a Christian

Here's a machine generated translation of the article, with the original directly below:

On Sunday, on July 09 2006 02:31

Obama small still was remembered by his teammates in Jakarta. Barry, the Barack call during small, flexible and easy-going. Apart from often played marble and football, he was active to the prayer room.

Barry was previously quite religious Islam. His birth father, Barack Husein Obama was the Muslim economist from Kenya. Before marrying Ann Dunham, Husein Obama married Kenyans and produced seven children. All the relatives a Barry's father were religious Islam. "We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house." If with the sarong, funny deh, said Rony Amir, Barry's teammate when living in Street H Ramli, the region Menteng Dalam, Jakarta. In fact, without wearing the sarong, Barry also appeared funny. This was because his body was fat, tall, and he had curly hair. Ronny when remembering the memory with Barry always laughed. "Funny no matter what," he said while terkekeh.

But, at this time Barry has moved the Christian religion. He lived happy with his wife, Michelle, with two daughters. Since being chosen as the US senator from Illinois, Barry's name was increasingly famous. About the challenged taken on by Barry in the USA, Rony took part in feeling proud. According to him, since childhood, Barry indeed liked to socialise. Perhaps this became important for Barry, so as to become a politicians who was respected in the USA. Be most startled enough also Rony when hearing Barry becoming the great person in US. Padahal, since small, Barry did not differ from children Menteng Dalam that liked to play marble and football. "That distinguished with us only, at that time his body was high big and black," said Rony.

In the beginning of the life in Jakarta, Barry the school in the Franciscan PRIMARY SCHOOL. Here he was registered by the name of Barry Soetoro. He entered this PRIMARY SCHOOL with the serial number 203. In his report, Barry was written was born in Honolulu, on August 4 1961. In the school document, Barry was written as the Indonesian citizen.

Barry entered the Franciscan PRIMARY SCHOOL on January 1 1968 and sat in the class of 1B. Agama Barry that was written in the document was Islam.

While his father had a name L Soetoro Ma that worked as the official of Director General's Geography of Topografi TNI Angkatan Darat of the Service.
Barry only went to school three years in the Asisi PRIMARY SCHOOL.
He only studied until the class 3.

In 1970, Barry moved to the Percobaan PRIMARY SCHOOL 04 Besuki, Menteng, Jakarta Pusat.
When moving to the Besuki PRIMARY SCHOOL, Barry also moved the house to Street Dempo, Matraman, Jakarta

Dozens of years did not meet, friends of Barry's PRIMARY SCHOOL in Jakarta then yearned for him.
Initially, they did not know Barack Obama.
However after they saw his photograph, they then just understood that the loop hair had black skin that was Barry.
"Oh... the black that."
He previously his name of Barry.
Intensively he, now he is the great person.
In America again.
When yes he to Indonesia again, said Irma Dewi Sukanti, one of the former friends of the senator who currently is talked about as the US presidential candidate 2008. competed with Hillary Rodham Clinton, the wife former US President Bill Clinton.
 dtc/dws

Tranlated at http://www.toggletext.com/kataku_trial.php#

Sunday, 09 July 2006 02:31



TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: hussein; husseinobama; islam; muslim; obama; obamareligion; obamatruthfile
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What makes this credible is a line in his book about getting into trouble for being a goofball in his Koranic Studies class.
1 posted on 05/16/2008 9:55:08 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: freespirited

I don’t know what everyone is in such an uproar about this wanna-be?After all,having”converted”from Islam to Christianity makes him a “marked man”!!


2 posted on 05/16/2008 10:05:46 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: freespirited; taraytarah

won’t take much to convince me that barak hussein is in fact a koranimal.


3 posted on 05/16/2008 10:06:25 AM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: freespirited
Obama doesn't like to be exactly candid about his religious activities, does he?

Or maybe he just didn't know that all those people were Muslims....

4 posted on 05/16/2008 10:06:41 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: All

BHO’s religion is totally irrelevant....unless of course he happens to be a Mormon......


5 posted on 05/16/2008 10:07:05 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: freespirited

I don’t suppose Hillary has anything to do with this?!


6 posted on 05/16/2008 10:10:40 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: freespirited

His slip about campaigning in all 57 states is very interesting, especially since there really are 57 islamic states. Guess he was just repeating what he learned in the madrassa when he was a kid.


7 posted on 05/16/2008 10:13:58 AM PDT by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama-Clinton, or McCain.)
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To: freespirited

Yawn. I attended Catholic schools at a few points during my peripatetic upbringing. At one, this included a First Communion preparation class that all students in my grade had to take. At another, it involved attendance at weekly mass during school hours and a formal course in Catholic religion. Doesn’t mean I was ever a Catholic. I’m sure if I became famous, people could dig up a few former classmates who would “remember” that I was “very religious” and practicing Catholicsm. My parents were both firm atheists from adolescence onwards, but both were raised as Catholics, so it would also be easy to find documentation that they had been baptized and confirmed Catholics.

Yep, all the material is there to support media “exposes” claiming that Candidate GovernmentShrinker, who keeps saying she’s not a Catholic and never has been, is concealing the truth about her devout Catholic upbringing.


8 posted on 05/16/2008 10:22:35 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: freespirited
This article is "exactly the kind of appalling attack that's divided our country and alienates us from the rest of the world." .../sarc
9 posted on 05/16/2008 10:25:16 AM PDT by urabus (Quakes and rumors of quakes, volcanos and rumors of volcanos, sunspots and rumors of sunspots...etc)
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To: Maverick68
BHO’s religion is totally irrelevant....unless of course he happens to be a Mormon......

Harry Reid (D)'s Mormonism was never a political issue. If the Golden Child was a Mormon, it would not be a factor even though Mitt's Mormonism would continue to be an issue of controversy.

10 posted on 05/16/2008 10:25:33 AM PDT by weegee (Vote NO on Marxism in 2008.)
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To: freespirited

“he said while terkekeh....”

New Word of the Day? = “terkekeh”

I don’t even care what it means. It just has this interesting lilt to it.

LOL


11 posted on 05/16/2008 10:31:51 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: weegee
"Funny no matter what," he said while terkekeh

You go do that terkeheh, dude. kekeke

12 posted on 05/16/2008 10:32:29 AM PDT by ReveBM
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To: All

Pls hold stories of this kind until after he is nominated.


13 posted on 05/16/2008 10:36:58 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Maverick68
BHO’s religion is totally irrelevant....

His honesty, or lack thereof, is totally relevant.

14 posted on 05/16/2008 10:38:32 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Your post would be dead on except for the fact that Obama has an ad running in Oregon where he implies that he started school in a typical US classroom(American flag prominently displayed). He opened the door for further investigation.


15 posted on 05/16/2008 11:48:22 AM PDT by crazyhorse691 (With McCain around we can proudly proclaim, WE ARE SO SCREWED)
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To: freespirited

Interesting blog.


16 posted on 05/16/2008 11:49:23 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: bandleader

I agree. If his policies stink, his policies should be the subject of criticism, not his childhood. Some — many — converts from Islam to Christianity pay for their newfound faith with their lives.


17 posted on 05/16/2008 11:55:30 AM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic

I was NOT being serious.Apparently,my sense of humor went right past you?


18 posted on 05/16/2008 12:15:41 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: weegee

Did you mean Harry Reid’s Moron-ism? Sorry, couldn’t resist :)


19 posted on 05/16/2008 12:21:35 PM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: bandleader

I guess the humor is lost in each direction. Who cares what his religion was as a boy? If he is lying now about it, that is quite a different issue, but I have yet to read a treatment of this in the press or even at FR that doesn’t laughably confound the issue of his childhood religion with that of his integrity in 2008. The reasoning is as such: “BHO was registered as a Muslim; therefore he must have been a practicing Muslim; therefore we cannot believe what he says now about having been a goof-off Muslim; therefore we must find him insincere in his Christianity and a liar.” I compare this to: “McCain was born in Central America; therefore he by nature favors Latinos; therefore he is lying when he cites any other reason for being opposed to enforcement of immigration laws; therefore McCain is insincere in his statements about immigration policy and a liar.”


21 posted on 05/16/2008 12:36:34 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Fred Nerks; Candor7; forkinsocket; Beckwith; USF; Chgogal; F15Eagle; Jeff Head; neverdem; ...

Obama’s early years


22 posted on 05/16/2008 6:10:54 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76; LucyT

Tracking down obama in Indonesia - part 5

http://laotze.blogspot.com/2008/01/obama-and-inconvenient-truth.html

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaReligion.htm


23 posted on 05/16/2008 6:19:09 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: aposiopetic

The question is, what will 1.5 billion Muslims do if they are informed that Obama is an apostate Muslim. You do know what their religious obligation would be, don’t you?


24 posted on 05/16/2008 6:20:16 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before, and will happen again!)
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To: freespirited
What makes this even more credible is that, contrary to Obama's later take, his school was a Muslim school.. If someone can tell me there were - or are - any secular primary schools in Indonesia (as Obama claims his was), please let me know.

A recent photo of Barry's Indonesian school, posted on the Net, clearly shows a mosque on the premises.

25 posted on 05/16/2008 6:23:22 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: freespirited
What makes this even more credible is that, contrary to Obama's later take, his school was a Muslim school.. If someone can tell me there were - or are - any secular primary schools in Indonesia (as Obama claims his was), please let me know.

A recent photo of Barry's Indonesian school, posted on the Net, clearly shows a mosque on the premises.

26 posted on 05/16/2008 6:23:46 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

I am sure neither you nor I want 1.5 billion Muslims determining the outcome of this election nor the content of US policy. That Obama was blessed with the ability to leave Islam and embrace Christianity is a good thing.


27 posted on 05/16/2008 6:33:24 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic

We can understand the reality of a world in which there would be 1.5 billion potential assassins, and their governments would be forbidden from interfering with them. This would substantially increase the danger of a world holocaust. I do not want a world holocaust.


28 posted on 05/16/2008 6:40:19 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before, and will happen again!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

I don’t want one either. I see the ascendancy of Ahmadinejad as being far more provocative in that regard than that of Obama, but I’ve been wrong before.


29 posted on 05/16/2008 6:49:03 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Mogollon
His slip about campaigning in all 57 states is very interesting, especially since there really are 57 islamic states.

OMG, that's really astonishing. We need to tell everyone.

Where can we find a list of those 57 Islamic states?

30 posted on 05/16/2008 6:52:27 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: ml/nj; firebrand; rmlew; dennisw; nyyankeefan; Liz; Miss Didi; pabianice; montag813; ...

Important Obama ping!!!


31 posted on 05/16/2008 7:14:28 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: devolve; justiceseeker93; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; freespirited; FARS; Liz; Grampa Dave; All; ...
Oh how the mighty will fall..


32 posted on 05/16/2008 7:20:21 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: justiceseeker93

Over at the mangy site someone is ‘leaking’ Obama will choose Anthony Zinni (ret) Gen, USMC for veep.


33 posted on 05/16/2008 7:21:44 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: freespirited

There WILL be a Muslim in the White House in 2009.

34 posted on 05/16/2008 7:26:20 PM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: justiceseeker93; fieldmarshaldj; Norman Bates; ExTexasRedhead; Cindy; JulieRNR21; wagglebee; ...

This is rather alarming. If he really was a Muslim, he could be targeted as a defector from the faith, and it’s no secret what many Muslims do to ex-Muslims.


35 posted on 05/16/2008 7:32:27 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Karl Marx supported free trade. Does that make him a free market conservative?)
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To: potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave; justiceseeker93; Liz
I like that. A lot.

He has a fairy-like lightness.

And he'll gut our defense department, and sit down with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad over some nice sweet tea, and everything will be fine.

Somebody will have to pick up his head, but everything will be fine.

His Muslim schooling, his commie Uncle Frank, his perfect grasp of Saul Alinsky, his years at Columbia under Brzezinski, his giddy readiness to embrace Hamas--

And he can still, still, sing the Muslim call to prayer.


36 posted on 05/16/2008 7:37:35 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: potlatch

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That’s a good one potlatch!


37 posted on 05/16/2008 7:39:14 PM PDT by devolve ( -- -The_Project_Islamic_Hope_website_banner no_longer_features_Barack_Hussein_Obama_Junior)
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP
{I like that. A lot.}

Thank you Phil, I like the hands waving part too.

[And he can still, still, sing the Muslim call to prayer.]

Tis harder though, after he lost his head....

--sorry, I sometimes HAVE to interject some lightness, lol.

Good graphic of yours too!

38 posted on 05/16/2008 7:46:43 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: devolve

Thank you devolve, I’m glad you like it!


39 posted on 05/16/2008 7:47:33 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks justiceseeker93. I just plastered this one into a ping msg that I worked on for twenty minutes, so I missed your ping. :’)


40 posted on 05/16/2008 7:49:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP





41 posted on 05/16/2008 7:54:07 PM PDT by devolve ( -- -The_Project_Islamic_Hope_website_banner no_longer_features_Barack_Hussein_Obama_Junior)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Huckabee defends [alleged Reverend Jeremiah] Wright
politico
Posted on 03/19/2008 11:48:25 AM PDT by hotdog777
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1988294/posts

Obama supporters boo the Pledge of Allegiance...
The Stranger | April 5, 2008 | Eli Sanders
Posted on 04/06/2008 10:59:22 PM PDT by bogen
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1997800/posts

“At the mere mention of doing the pledge there were groans and boos. Then, when the district chair put the idea of doing the Pledge of Allegiance up to a vote, it was overwhelmingly voted down. One might more accurately say the idea of pledging allegiance to the flag (of which there was only one in the room, by the way, on some delegate’s hat) was shouted down.”


42 posted on 05/16/2008 7:57:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: devolve

Neville Chamberlain - appeaser!

Good graphic devolve!


43 posted on 05/16/2008 7:57:23 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: kingattax

He’s an Obamination..


44 posted on 05/16/2008 8:00:36 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: freespirited; All
None of this has anything to do with religion! That is, unless you consider Marxism a religion. Communists only USE religion to promote hatred and division. Don't you find it a little weird that these various players (Wright's Trinity Church, The Nation of Islam, The Black Panthers, etc) are so closely associated when they really shouldn't be? The reason for this is that they are each a communist front organization. Please read the following carefully.

The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine
Monday , May 5, 2008
FoxNews/Hannity's America
[special Friday night edition--original airdate May 2, 2008]

(some key excerpts)

REV. BOB SCHENCK, NATIONAL CLERGY COUNCIL: "it's based in Marxism. At the core of his [Wright's] theology is really an anti-Christian understanding of God, and as part of a long history of individuals who actually advocate using violence in overthrowing those they perceive to be oppressing them, even acts of murder have been defended by followers of liberation theology. That's very, very dangerous."

SCHENCK: "I was actually the only person escorted to Dr. Wright. He asked to see me, and I simply welcomed him to Washington, and then I said Dr. Wright, I want to bring you a warning: your embrace of Marxist liberation theology. It is contrary to the Gospel, and you need, sir, to abandon it. And at that he dropped the handshake and made it clear that he was not in the mood to dialogue on that point."

JOSE DIAZ-BALART, TELEMUNDO NETWORK: "Liberation theology in Nicaragua in the mid-1980's was a pro-Sandinista, pro-Marxist, anti-U.S., anti-Catholic Church movement. That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts. His church apparently supported, in the mid-'80s in Nicaragua, groups that supported the Sandinista dictatorships and that were opposed to the Contras whose reason for being was calling for elections. That's all I know. I was there.

I saw the churches in Nicaragua that he spoke of, and the churches were churches that talked about the need for violent revolution and I remember clearly one of the major churches in Managua where the Jesus Christ on the altar was not Jesus Christ, he was a Sandinista soldier, and the priests talked about the corruption of the West, talked about the need for revolution everywhere, and talked about 'the evil empire' which was the United States of America."

The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html

Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate
Kathy Shaidle, FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008

In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obama’s pastor in a heated interview about his Church’s teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...

Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=30CD9E14-B0C9-4F8C-A0A6-A896F0F44F02

From "45 Communist Goals":
#27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Jeremiah Wright’s Controversial AIDS Charge [KGB connection]
Accuracy In Media (AIM) ^ | April 28, 2008 | Cliff Kincaid

Asked during the question-and-answer period following his National Press Club speech on Monday [April 28, 2008] why he charged the U.S. Government with manufacturing the AIDS virus to kill black people, Barack Obama’s “former” pastor Jeremiah Wright cited a 1996 book by Leonard Horowitz, Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola. This rang a bell. I had exchanged correspondences with Horowitz several years ago because I caught him promoting an old Soviet disinformation theme that has been disavowed by former Soviet and KGB officials. ...."
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/jeremiah-wrights-controversial-aids-charge/

Obama the "transformer"?

Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=4337417

Louis Farrakhan, at the Millions More Movement rally in DC, Oct 15, 2005: "...what Mao Tse Tung did was, he went to the cultural community, and they [Farrakhan spreads his arms beneficently] accepted his idea."..."Mao Tse Tung ... had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."..."the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people, and China became a world power on the base of the culture and the arts community. If we had a ministry of art and culture in every city we'd create this movement [in the U.S.]."
Source: http://thedrunkablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/communist-plot-noted.html

Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998: "There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"
Source: http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html#says

Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Obama's pastor and spirtual advisor "crazy uncle" of more than 20 years, honors "Honorable" Minister Louis Farrakhan with the "Jeremiah A. Wright Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer Award" at the 2007 Trumpet Gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago.
[it appears the original video was removed, but this one is identical to it]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW2OhkZ0RSg

From "45 Communist Goals":
#27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

From the Maoist Internationist Movement:
Black Panther Party [BPP] Archives
Article: "REVOLUTIONARY HEROS"

excerpt...

"On May 1st, May Day, the day of the gigantic Free Huey rally, two of Alioto's top executioners vamped on the brothers from the Brown Community who were attending to their own affairs. These brothers, who are endowed with the revolutionary spirit of the Black Panther Party defended themselves from the racist pig gestapo.

Pig Joseph Brodnik received his just reward with a big hole in the chest. Pig Paul McGoran got his in the mouth which was not quite enough to off him.

The revolutionary brothers escaped the huge swarm of pigs with dogs, mace, tanks and helicopters, proving once again that "the spirit of the people is greater than the man's technology."

To these brothers the revolutionary people of racist America want to say, by your revolutionary deed you are heroes, and that you are always welcome to our camp."

Article: "REVOLUTIONARY HEROS"
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bpp/index.html

Bill Ayers, TODAY, April 6, 2008, from his own red communist star-headed website, begging to debate communism vs capitalism with Sean Hannity and STILL calling for revolution! Yet Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and nearly every other conservative commentator FAILS to mention that these people were and still are revolutionary communists. Instead, they describe them as simply "domestic terrorists". Seems nearly everyone these days is afraid to use the 'C' word! Even in this extremely rare case where one of them actually admits it.

Bill Ayers, April 6, 2008:
"Imperialism. I’m against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good —must win.

We begin by releasing our most hopeful dreams and our most radical imaginations: a better world is both possible and necessary.

Source: http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/page/2/

Note: Ayers is very likely quoting Bob Avakian, chairman of the Revolutionary Communist Party, with the phrase 'both possible and necessary' in regards to a communist overthrow of the US government. See these Yahoo search results for "bob avakian" + "possible and necessary"--Eye On The Left

"In July 1969, Bernardine Dohrn [Ayers' co-terrorist wife], Eleanor Raskin, Dianne Donghi, Peter Clapp, David Millstone and Diana Oughton, all representing 'Weatherman', as Dohrn's faction was now called, traveled to Cuba and met with representatives of the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn

From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
"FBI files from 1976, recently made public under the Freedom of Information Act, confirm the connections between Weatherman, Havana, and Moscow. Weatherman leaders like Mark Rudd traveled illegally to Havana in 1968 to engage in terrorist training. There, camps set up by Soviet KGB Colonel Vadim Kotchergine were educating Westerners both in Marxist philosophy and urban warfare."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808

July 27, 1970: The United States Army base at The Presidio in San Francisco is bombed on the 11th anniversary of the Cuban Revolution. [NYTimes, 7/27/70] :
Chronology of Weather Underground attacks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)#Chronology_of_events

___________________________________________________

"[Bernardine] Dohrn plea-bargained to charges of inciting to mob action and resisting police officers. She was sentenced to three years' probation and a $1,500 fine. Ayers was not charged. Even then he showed a way with words:

'Guilty as hell, free as a bird—America is a great country,' he [Ayers] said."
August 2001, Chicago Magazine (article: No Regrets)

And from a New York Times article of a simililar title published one month later (ironically on Sept 11, 2001):

"During his fugitive years, Mr. Ayers said, he lived in 15 states, taking names of dead babies in cemeteries who were born in the same year as he. He describes the typical safe house: there were usually books by Malcolm X and Ho Chi Minh, and Che Guevara's picture in the bedroom; fermented Vietnamese fish sauce in the refrigerator, and live sourdough starter donated by a Native American that was reputed to have passed from hand to hand over a century."

(snip)

"Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as:

'Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but 'it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did,' he said."

(snip)

"He also writes about the Weathermen's sexual experimentation as they tried to 'smash monogamy.' The Weathermen were 'an army of lovers,' he says, and describes having had different sexual partners, including his best male friend."

From Sept 11, 2001, New York Times article/interview with Obama associate and friend, William/Bill Ayers.
Article title: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

Allies in War
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001:

ON THE MORNING OF THE ATTACKS on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, along with a million other readers of the New York Times including many who would never be able to read the paper again, I opened its pages to be confronted by a color photo showing a middle-aged couple holding hands and affecting a defiant look at the camera. The article was headlined in an irony that could not have been more poignant, "No Regrets For A Love Of Explosives."

The couple pictured were Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, former leaders of the 1960s’ Weather Underground, America’s first terrorist cult. One of their bombing targets, as it happened, was the Pentagon.

"I don’t regret setting bombs," Ayers was quoted in the opening line of the Times profile; "I feel we didn’t do enough."

In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a "War Council" in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World [Maoist-communist] revolutionaries conquer and destroy it.

Taking charge of the podium, dressed in high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt – her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against "Amerikkka" and create chaos and destruction in the "belly of the beast."

Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a "fork salute" to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the "Tate Eight" (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:

"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"

(big snip)

Today William Ayers is not merely an author favored by the New York Times, but a Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, Chicago.

His Lady Macbeth [Bernardine Dohrn] is not merely a lawyer, but a member of the American Bar Association’s governing elite, as well as the director of Northwestern University’s Children and Family Justice Center.
[it's true! see: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/aclu/]

Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09

The Center for Public Intellectuals & The University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC)
April 19th-20th, 2002, Conference

[Participants include: William/Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Sen Barack Obama]

April 19th-20th, 2002
Chicago Illini Union
828 S. Wolcott

This conference is part of the Center's mission of helping to create a more engaged civil society, working towards social change, fostering coalitions between theorists and activists, and combating anti-intellectualism in contemporary culture. It will be both a celebration of ideas and a rigorous examination of the roles and responsibilities that intellectuals play in society.

I. Why Do Ideas Matter? (a keynote panel)

We introduce the “meta” theme of the conference by hearing “success stories” from diverse voices discussing their experiences intervening intellectually.

Timuel Black, Chicago activist; Prof. Emeritus, City Colleges of Chicago
Lonnie Bunch, President, Chicago Historical Society
Bernardine Dohrn, Northwestern University Law School, Children and Family Justice Center
Gerald Graff, UIC, College of Liberal Arts & Sciences
Richard Rorty, Stanford University, Philosophy

III. Lunch and Public Encounters

Alternative breakout tours led by Chicago activists. Tours of Bronzeville and other communities, and visits to organizations that are working on partnering theorists with activists.

IV. Intellectuals in Times of Crisis
Experiences and applications of intellectual work in urgent situations.

William Ayers, UIC, College of Education; author of Fugitive Days
Douglass Cassel, Northwestern University, Center for International Human Rights
Cathy Cohen, University of Chicago, Political Science
Salim Muwakkil, Chicago Tribune; In These Times
Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator
Barbara Ransby, UIC, African-American Studies (moderator)

The Center for Public Intellectuals
University of Illinois-Chicago (UIC):
http://www.uic.edu/classes/las/las400/conferencealt.htm

45 posted on 05/16/2008 8:03:34 PM PDT by Eye On The Left
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To: Veto!
I don't know, but here is what Rush had to say:

RUSH: Hey, folks, you want to tweak the Drive-By Media with me right now? Want to participate in tweaking the Drive-By Media? You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings recently and said that he was going to campaign in all 57 states. You heard this? And everybody chalked it up to, "Well, he's tired." You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes out there and misspells potato, and we still get jokes about it. Barack Obama says he's gonna go out and campaign in 57 states, he was just tired, you know, it's been such a long campaign, he's been so many places, he probably thinks there are 57 states. Well, I have here a printout from a website called the International Humanist and Ethical Union. And here is how the second paragraph of an article on that website begins. "Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states presented a resolution to the United Nations commission on human rights called combating --" yes, H.R., get ready for the phone calls up there.

We're participating here in a tweak of the media. Obama said he's going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are 57 Islamic states. There are 57 Islamic states. "Every year from 1999 to 2005, the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states," this is from the International Humanist and Ethical Union. And the title of the piece here is, "How the Islamic states dominate the UN human rights council," and there are 57 of them. So did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this a more telling slip, ladies and gentlemen? Obama's 57 states, not just a simple gaffe. He might have been thinking of the 57 Islamic states when he said he was going to campaign in all 57 states. (laughing) Can't wait 'til the Drive-Bys hear about this.

46 posted on 05/16/2008 8:40:50 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: GovernmentShrinker

That’s how I see it, too. He was a child. What disturbs me is the church he belongs to now, not the school his mother put him in, nor the country she moved him to.


47 posted on 05/16/2008 8:49:55 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Veto!
Where can we find a list of those 57 Islamic states?

Here it is. Check out this thread at post # 5:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2016896/posts

48 posted on 05/16/2008 9:16:52 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Maverick68; freekitty; romanesq; oswegodeee; SouthTexas; DragonMarine; Piquaboy; TXRed; SkyPilot; ..

He’s a “moron.” Osama Hussein Obama needs the same kind of rectal exam Republicans get from Liberals.


49 posted on 05/16/2008 9:57:23 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: freespirited

Please see my post # 48.


50 posted on 05/16/2008 10:12:54 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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