Posted on 10/10/2008 12:07:54 PM PDT by sociallyunacceptable
I wanted to post this email I received from a friend of mine. We send things back and forth, both knowing that we won't change the other person's mind, but to hopefully enlighten the other person. I though I would share it with you. It's scary how uninformed Obama's supporters are and how anti-American some people may be.
My reply to him follows.
Just because Wright was an ass doesn't make Obama one bc he sat in his church. Just like siiting next to a foreign country doesn't mean you have foreign policy experience. The whole William Ayers thing isn't even true but you'll find out the truth after the elections are over, just like the Swift Boats bullshit was exactly that. Did you know that guy won citizen of the yr and is now a professor. Ask yourself, why isn't he still behind bars if he was such a terrorist? Why isn't he dead?
This country has made mistakes and it's better to admit them then keep denying them. You lose credibility when you deny your mistakes. As far as America being the greatest country on earth, I to a degree agree. I mean, lets face it, our health care system isn't the best in the world, our education system sucks, just look at where we rank in the world, our social security system is one of the worst in the world but because of what are we the greatest country in the world? Why are we the greatest country in the world? You think people in France, Germany, England and other free European countries don't have billionairres, the right to vote, the right to public speach...etc. They do. So why are we so much greater than everyone else. Because we were taught from when we were young that we are the greatest military might in the world. I personally believe that there are other factors that make us great such as our judicial system, laws of the land...etc. This country was built on the backbones of immigrants, the same ones that came from those other countries. I just wish we could stop jamming it down everyones throats bc they're tired of hearing it. You think all the french people in France give a shit? The English in UK, the Germans in Germany care? Their happy with their homelands and we're happy here but I don't hear others bragging about how great their educational system is. It's just not a classy way to act. And I already know what you're thinking. Yes, many people come here from all over the world as I stated above. It's for, mostly, the money! Many send it back home to where their parents want to eventually die. Their are plenty of Americans living abraod by choice as well.
lastly, McCain got PAYOFFs, Payoffs to vote a certain way. Payoffs! Obama never took a Payoff! You must question his judgement, loyalty to the public, character and ethics since he received PAYOFFS.
Does it really matter anyway. McCain will win. All the Hillbillies, rednecks and cross burners love McCain. They aren't part of the poll numbers like you regular folk and they will show up with their pick up trucks, shot gun racks and a pinch between their cheek and gum and McCain will be President. I'm actually looking forward to it bc he'll ruin this economy so badly that investors will love the protection I offer with the investment recommendations I make. Yes, I know it sounds selfish but in reality I'll be helping people secure their retirement nest eggs and believe me, with Mr. I dont know anything about the economy, they're going to need it.
Reply: I can’t even discuss this with you anymore.
I am sorry you are so unhappy living in this country and feel that you are being forced to hear how great America is.
You have deeply offended me as an American and I am saddened that you are so quick to point out America’s faults and ignore all of the great things that we do as Americans. When a horrific natural disaster hits in the world, it IS AMERICA that is the FIRST to step in!
Golly gee, what do I know anyway? I am just a hillbilly cross-burner!
To think that in my last email I wanted to write that I wanted Obama to win just so people that voted for him would suffer, like yourself who makes over 250k. But then I thought better of it because you are my friend, and even though we disagree politically, I would never want you or your family to struggle.
Instead, you resort to calling those who support McCain a bunch of rednecks, hillbillies, and cross-burners! Um, that’s the same as calling me a redneck, and that is not okay, and sure as hell isn’t a classy way to act.
*Names have been deleted to protect the identity of emailer.
Don’t know why in the world you would have ever called this person a ‘friend’ he/she is an ignorant idiot who’s source of information seems to be on the back of a toilet paper wad.....
I find that laughable. Even the so-called "experts" who have 50 plus years history in investment recommendations have lost their shirts in the current crisis. Your "friend" must be able to predict the future?
My apologies to you. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
Liberals are very hard to be friends with.
Harder to be related to.
you need new friends
Well join me in voting Democrat!! I got this email from my brother. He used to be a conservative!
I have decided to vote Democrat this time please help me with my current list of reasons, feel free to add to and forward to your family and friends.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.
I’m voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.
I’m voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they’re doing because they now think we’re good people.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that people who can’t tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don’t start driving a Prius.
I’m voting Democrat because I’m not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe three or four pointy headed elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that the terrorists don’t have to hide from us over there, when they come over here I don’t want to have any guns in the house to fight them off with.
I’m voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I’ve decided to marry my horse.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe oil companies’ profits of 7 to 8¢ on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 18.4¢ isn’t.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that the best strategy in war is defeat. It broadens the mind to learn Japanese, German and Arabic. Talk about multiculturalism!
I’m voting Democrat because I’m mad that George W. Bush hasn’t caught Bin Laden. That’s because Bin Laden is the only Islamic terrorist in the world.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that if I don’t have enough money, the solution is for the government to take more of my money. Who needs money when gas is $5 per gallon?
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that the ideal family is two homosexuals, a goat and a parrot raising a human baby. Love and compassion is all it takes to make a successful family!
I’m voting Democrat because it’s my body, and if I want to kill my baby, I’ll do it, even if its head is in the birth canal. If I want to cut out my intestines and feed them to the crocodiles, I’ll do that too. That’s the freedom our forefathers enshrined in the Constitution.
I’m voting Democrat because our enemies on the battlefield deserve comfy hotel rooms, Pay-Per-View, prostitutes and all the benefits of American citizenship.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe we need other countries’ permission for me to turn down my thermostat.
I’m voting Democrat because I care about the real victims of crime — criminals.
I’m voting Democrat because the real cure for racism includes preferential policies based on race — particularly in presidential voting. If you believe that a black candidate ought to be qualified, as well as black, you’re worse than Bull Conner.
I’m voting Democrat because everyone deserves crappy healthcare. Sure, you’ll have to wait years for that life-saving cancer surgery. But it’s first come, first served at the cemetery!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe in minority rights (except in Muslim countries), free speech (with regard to pornography but not conservative talk radio), environmentalism (unless we’re talking about Al Gore’s house) and diplomacy (but never backed by the threat of military force).
I’m voting Democrat because I like the words “hope” and “change.” Also “kazoo.” That’s a funny word.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that America’s founders were rich, white, greedy xenophobes, and that America’s founding principles are hogwash requiring periodic editing from an unelected group of liberal judges.
I’m voting Democrat because women in politics should be mono-toned, bitchy, and ugly. We could never benefit from a woman who is smart and pretty.
Most of all, I’m voting Democrat because I like the ideas they have over in France, but I don’t feel like moving there. I’ll threaten to move, but I really won’t. After all, I have a good job, healthcare, lower taxes, free speech and a social framework that promotes family structure. And all of it is defended by the most effective fighting force on the planet.
“You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.”
Sorry but I could not think of anything else that fit. Sometimes that harder you push to open the window, the harder they push to keep it closed.
Got of on a technicality
Why isn't he dead?
Damn good question actually.
That’s not as bad as what a (white)homosexual relative of mine sent me...
This is Your Nation on White Privilege (Updated)
September 13, 2008, 2:01 pm
By Tim Wise
For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.
White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.
White privilege is when you can call yourself a “fuckin’ redneck,” like Bristol Palin’s boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you’ll “kick their fuckin’ ass,” and talk about how you like to “shoot shit” for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.
White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.
White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don’t all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you’re “untested.”
White privilege is being able to say that you support the words “under God” in the pledge of allegiance because “if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it’s good enough for me,” and not be immediately disqualified from holding office—since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the “under God” part wasn’t added until the 1950s—while if you’re black and believe in reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), you’re a dangerous and mushy liberal who isn’t fit to safeguard American institutions.
White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.
White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto is “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you’re black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she’s being disrespectful.
White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do—like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor—and people think you’re being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college and the fact that she lives near Russia, you’re somehow being mean, or even sexist.
White privilege is being able to convince white women who don’t even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a “second look.”
White privilege is being able to fire people who didn’t support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.
White privilege is when you can take nearly twenty-four hours to get to a hospital after beginning to leak amniotic fluid, and still be viewed as a great mom whose commitment to her children is unquestionable, and whose “next door neighbor” qualities make her ready to be VP, while if you’re a black candidate for president and you let your children be interviewed for a few seconds on TV, you’re irresponsibly exploiting them.
White privilege is being able to give a 36-minute speech in which you talk about lipstick and make fun of your opponent, while laying out no substantive policy positions on any issue at all, and still manage to be considered a legitimate candidate, while a black person who gives an hour speech the week before, in which he lays out specific policy proposals on several issues, is still criticized for being too vague about what he would do if elected.
White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.
White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a “trick question,” while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers the queries of Bill O’Reilly means you’re dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.
White privilege is being able to go to a prestigious prep school, then to Yale and Harvard Business School (George W. Bush), and still be seen as an “average guy,” while being black, going to a prestigious prep school, then Occidental College, then Columbia, and then Harvard Law, makes you “uppity” and a snob who probably looks down on regular folks.
White privilege is being able to graduate near the bottom of your college class (McCain), or graduate with a C average from Yale (W.), and that’s OK, and you’re still cut out to be president, but if you’re black and you graduate near the top of your class from Harvard Law, you can’t be trusted to make good decisions in office.
White privilege is being able to dump your first wife after she’s disfigured in a car crash so you can take up with a multi-millionaire beauty queen (who you then go on to call the c-word in public) and still be thought of as a man of strong family values, while if you’re black and married for nearly 20 years to the same woman, your family is viewed as un-American and your gestures of affection for each other are called “terrorist fist bumps.”
White privilege is when you can develop a pain-killer addiction, having obtained your drug of choice illegally like Cindy McCain, go on to beat that addiction, and everyone praises you for being so strong, while being a black guy who smoked pot a few times in college and never became an addict means people will wonder if perhaps you still get high, and even ask whether or not you may have sold drugs at some point.
White privilege is being able to sing a song about bombing Iran and still be viewed as a sober and rational statesman, with the maturity to be president, while being black and suggesting that the U.S. should speak with other nations, even when we have disagreements with them, makes you dangerously naive and immature.
White privilege is being able to say that you hate “gooks” and “will always hate them,” and yet, you aren’t a racist because, ya know, you were a POW, so you’re entitled to your hatred, while being black and noting that black anger about racism is understandable, given the history of your country, makes you a dangerous bigot.
White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism and an absent father is apparently among the “lesser adversities” faced by other politicians, as Sarah Palin explained in her convention speech.
And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren’t sure about that whole “change” thing. Ya know, it’s just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain…
White privilege is, in short, the problem.
I don’t think it is clear whether he was calling you a hillbilly, a redneck, or a cross burner. However, I am pretty sure he wasn’t calling you a combination of any of the three, which should make you feel better. Since I haven’t ever burned a crosss, have never lived in the hills, but I do drive a pickup truck, I must fall into the redneck camp. The coat and tie doesn’t really fit, but that’s okay. I’ll probably be farming anyway once 0bama finishes “fixing” the economy.
NICE ... just snagged this and sent it out.
Wow! There is such resentment of this country out there. (I don’t want to insult your friend, but I can’t help it.) I think our education system has really failed us - probably by (liberal) design.
The people who say “how can things possibly get any worse with Obama” have no conception of history, politics, etc. they may be bout to gewt quite a lesson in “worse.” I would almost look forward to seeing it, but for the fact that the rest of us would have to suffer too.
As for the topic of dealing with friends, co-workers, etc., I have a pretty hard and fast rule: I rarely, if ever, discuss politics. I am in a very blue state, so it’s not like I have a chance to convince someone anyway. I do NOT make my political feelings known to co-workers or debate the election with friends. My own sister and i never discussed the 2004 election until long after it was over, although we voted different ways.
I save ll my political commentary for political meetings of like-minded people, and for you fine folks!
Maybe I’m a big coward, but I just don’t see the point of damaging friendships over this. Then again, maybe I fear that if I find out what some of my friends are truly thinking, I won’t want to be their friend anymore!
Let's see here...who was it that beat the Nazi's back in the Second World War? That Maginot Line worked out just dandy didn't it?
I’ve seen this trash elsewhere too. It makes me sick.
Me too. I suppose it’s some kind of strange societal sickness, fed by faulty education.
Very sad.
I am fighting everyday here in Afghanistan so that he can say these ignorant rants and spew his hatred for our great country. I can tell you that I would not waste my time with him since he is clearly drinking the koolaid and until he makes the first step to rehabilitation, like an alcoholic, you can't change his mind.
You did right with your reply.
Thanks much, some where in Afghanistan hunter killer force team leader with the 82nd ABN 1/508th BN Bravo Company.
ALL AMERICANS
If you ever speak to this “friend” again you should ask him/her what is the difference between William Ayers and Timothy McVeigh. Of course the only difference is Mcveigh didn't get off on a technicality.
I posted this link below on the thread below to abigail2. Perhaps as one last gesture, that most likely won’t make a difference but it’s maybe worth a shot, send them the video linked below at dailymotion.com. It’s worth a try. The thing is, when this country turns to a disaster after an Obama/Pelosi/Reid regime, these same people will be asking, “Why didn’t you tell me?”
Letter to my brainwashed son
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2102085/posts
Several FReepers were posting this video (link below) the other day. Maybe you saw it? It’s by a former KGB guy about the propaganda that has happened in the West. It was made in the 80’s. It was a little bit ahead of its time I think—some people said that maybe Reagan slowed things down a bit. The things he is describing are so striking to what’s happening today. Watch it through the end and maybe send it to your son. Of course, one of the things the defector mentions is that the demoralization is so complete that you can show people the truth backed up by facts and they still won’t believe it. Your son will probably dismiss it, but maybe something will stick in his mind for the future—maybe something will click for him at a later time.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1
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