Skip to comments.Obama Born in Kenya? (New Information) [Update]
Posted on 10/11/2008 1:40:00 PM PDT by SatinDoll
*BREAKING* Obama Born in Kenya? (New Information) October 11, 2008 by texasdarlin
Coast Provincial General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya Judah Benjamins analysis follows the Foreword.
Foreword: Those who have followed this blog know that our working assumption has been that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. We have asserted that Obamas legal name and citizenship changed when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, and that the birth certificate published on Obamas campaign website does not reflect current records. You can read the previous articles referenced at the end of this post to catch up on our analysis.
We now wonder if our assumption about Obamas birth place was wrong.
I have received information that certified copies of a Kenyan Birth Certificate (BC) for Obama were sent from Kenya, and have been received by three separate individuals. I am told that these documents are certified, with an embossed seal, and display the name of the hospital where Obama was born, as well as witness signatures.
Reportedly this BC reflects information filed Oct. 9 by Philip Berg. See item #18 on this docket, page 10, the relevant language of which, underlined in red, is captured here in a screen shot:
Obama was born at Coast Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya located in Coast Province
We do not currently have any additional confirmation of this new information. If it is an accurate tip, the implications are disastrous for Senator Obama and his backers. For that analysis, we proceed to Judah Benjamin
Barack Hussein Obama II By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author
It has been asserted by a number of sources, including Andy Martin, that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in Hawaii. Philip Bergs Latest Motion to the Court is more explicit since it gives an exact Place of Birth. I must assume that Berg did not simply pluck the Location out of thin air, Mombasa has more than one Hospital, though Coast Provincial General was the best in 1961.
British Birth Certificates have a Standard Format which has been more or less the same since 1837 and they can only be challenged in a British Court. Kenyan Law is explicit and can only be challenged in a Kenyan Court. Indonesian Law is explicit and can only be challenged in an Indonesian Court. Be clear, if Obama was born in Kenya this is not simply a matter for the US Courts, or US Law.
If he was born in Kenya, and his parents were Legally Married [which on the Preponderance of Evidence they were, his father's first "Marriage" being a Tribal, or Village, Marriage, which was not Legally Recognized] due to the age of his mother he would NOT have been a US Citizen. The Immigration and Nationality Act 1952, 8 U.S.C. 1401. Sec. 301 (g) [Effective November 14, 1986] does not apply, nor does Title III, Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409].
Unless he has taken the Oath of Allegiance as a Naturalized Citizen since he was 18 years old, and if he was born in Mombasa, Kenya, Barack Hussein Obama II would not be a US Citizen, period. The issue of whether or not he was Natural Born under Article II of the Constitution of the United States would cease to matter and he would need to be Deported as an Illegal Alien.
Impeachment as a Senator would seem not to be necessary since he would never Legally have been one, but Diane Feinstein and the members of the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee would be liable to Impeachment. So would their opposite numbers in the Illinois Senate and the appropriate officials of the Illinois State Supreme Court and Bar, so far as I can see.
If Senator Barack Hussein Obama II was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7.24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, he is not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States and he never was. Philip J Berg, Esq, is correct, under the Nationality Act of 1940, as Revised June 1952 and in accord with United States of America vs Cervantes-Nava 281 F 3d 501 (2002) and Drozd vs INS, 155 F 3d 81, 85-88 (2d Circuit 1998) Senator Barack Hussein Obama II would not ever have been a Legal US Citizen at all, unless he was Naturalized.
If he was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya any Certificate, or Certification of Live Birth, issued for him by the State of Hawaii is a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. At Birth he would have been a UK and Colonies Citizen and in accord with the Kenyan Constitution he would have become a Kenyan Citizen in December 1963. He would not have been a US Citizen.
Alternatively, his UK and Colonies Birth Certificate issued in Mombasa in August 1961 could be a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. The two BCs would need to be compared. By this I mean the Original Vault Copy of the Hawaiian Birth Certificate and not the Amended, Post Adoption, Copy, Legally available to the Senator, assuming he was, as indicated by the Preponderance of Evidence, Adopted by Lolo Soetoro. This case might also need to go through the UK and Kenyan Courts and becomes a Matter of International Law and Controversy.
If Barack Hussein Obama II was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, it is certain that he is not Eligible to hold the Offices of POTUS or VPOTUS and highly probable that he is not Legally entitled to hold the Office of Senator either and that he was not Eligible to be an Illinois State Senator.
In that event the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee, Chair Diane Feinstein, have a problem because they are responsible for the Certification of a Candidates Compliance with Constitutional Requirements, a job they would have conspicuously failed to do. Should he be Elected the poisoned Chalice would pass to Nancy Pelosi because as Speaker of the House she, and the House, have the Responsibility to ensure that the President Elect can Effectively be Sworn In and Legally Assume the Office and Duties of the President.
Be very clear here, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, Diane Feinsteins Committee have already failed in their Duty, as has every Secretary of State in the Union.
Let me repeat myself, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, he is not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States and he never was, he is not even a Citizen by Birth. I had assumed ab initio that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his Hawaiian Paperwork was basically on the up and up, I could not conceive that a lie of this magnitude was possible, I thought that the INS would have caught on long since. If he is a US Citizen under these circumstances his Oath of Allegiance must be on Record somewhere. If it isnt he is not a US Citizen.
Hawaii may Legally be able to Issue a Birth Certificate under these circumstances, according to their own Code, but it would breach of International and Federal Law if they have. It would breach Hawaiian Law if the Place of Birth is spurious.
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
So by that section he could get a certificate claiming Hawaiian birth even if he was physically born outside the US but the Place of Birth would need to be correctly recorded.
Understand, the Hawaiian Authorities may be able to Issue a Hawaiian Birth Certificate under these circumstances but they cannot make you a US Citizen. A child born in Kenya to and underage US Female and a UK and Colonies Citizen in 1961 was not born a US Citizen under any US Federal Law, under British Law, or International Law. The only way such an Individual could be a US Citizen in terms of the XIVth Amendment, or any Statute, or Code of US Federal Law is by Naturalization.
Under Common Law no Person can Testify as to their own Place of Birth, this is established Law upheld by stare decisis. Therefore it would be possible, even given the he was born in Kenya, for Obama to claim that he believed a Hawaiian Birth Certificate made him a US Citizen under the XIVth Amendment and that therefore he was acting in Good Faith running for an Office which he was Constitutionally Incapable of Holding. Unfortunately for him, his actions in regard to the Admission of his UK & Colonies and Kenyan Citizenships and his Indonesian Citizenship by Adoption, his frequent apparent Breaches of the Logan Act, his probable breaches of the Hobbs Act, the Hatch Act, USC Title 18 Part One Chapter 63 § 1346 and the RICO Statute make this Defense wholly Untenable, especially when one considers the fact that he holds a JD from Harvard Law. One may throw in the Misprision Statute for good measure. It is difficult to find any action or statement of Obamas since 1992 that could be used to suggest Good Faith could be used as a Defense in this Case. I am not saying that Obama is Guilty of any of these Felonies or High Misdemeanors, only that his actions and pronouncements are such as to lead to a reasonable suspicion that he may be.
Under INA §349 2. taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof after having attained the age of eighteen years. This is an Expatriating Clause, if you hold Dual Citizenship and do this you void your US Citizenship. Well Obama campaigned actively for Odinga in Kenya and apparently also took some kind of Luo Tribal Loyalty Oath. He may also have joined Odingas party. Of course his Dual Nationality lapsed in 1982 but INA §349 could, perhaps, still apply here, if he was born in Mombasa. It might even be concluded that Obama was providing grounds to restore his Kenyan Citizenship by Prime Ministerial Decree, which is Legal under the Kenyan Constitution. That would certainly look Expatriating to me, but I do not know how a Court would react.
There is indirect reason to believe that this may be true. 2d Session S. RES. 511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.: In the Senate of the United States. was Sponsored by Senator McCaskill and co-sponsored by Senators Leahy, Obama, Coburn, Clinton and Webb. Why? Why were Democratic Senators trying to pass a Resolution making Senator McCain undoubtedly Legally Eligible when this issue had already been cleared up in 2000 and again in 2004? And why did Senators McCaskill and Obama reportedly insert the following Clause?
Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;
This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain and the following Clause, which it is reported McCaskill and Obama attempted to REMOVE shows that:
; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936:
It seems clear that McCaskill and Obama were attempting to create a blanket Resolution covering ALL Foreign Born candidates. Why do that if not to benefit a Foreign Born Democratic Candidate, who did not have a US Military background?
McCain did not need this resolution, Richardson did not need this Resolution, so far as I can see nobody needed this Resolution unless somebody in the race was born outside the USA and was Covering his/her Ass and the only individual in the race that that could apply to was Senator Obama! This in turn would show that the Senator is a liar who has been peddling untruths about his birth for at least 16 years!
Likewise it would explain why Michelle Obama tried trawling the very single mother canard. Were he illegitimate there is precedent and Statute that says if his parents were unmarried at the time of his birth he would have become a Citizen of the USA at Birth under Title III of the Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409]. However, as Miller v Albright, 523 US 420 (1998) demonstrates there is, and was, a split in the Supreme Court as to whether this Law is in fact Constitutional under the XIVth Amendment. A new case might change the precedent. For now it stands.
I do not insist that any of this is true and to me it makes little difference if it is, I hold him Ineligible anyway and have seen no solid Legal Rebuttal of my view from any source, but if he was born in Kenya he has, and can have, no defense of any description and any Document he has from Hawaii is Fraudulent on several levels. To hold the Office of POTUS one must be a Natural Born United States Citizen, if he was born in Mombasa Obama probably isnt even a United States Citizen much less Natural Born. He would be guilty of Fraud and a list of other offenses and any and all persons who had aided him would be guilty of Misprision, in all probability.
Then they should produce it. Otherwise, without proof this is an empty issue.
Bring it on, Hillary... the enemy of my enemy is my friend.. for now..
Well if this is true, fasten your seatbelts. It is going to be a bumpy ride!!
Something is up. Obama has now admitted on his website on a Kenyan citizenship. He is now in damage control. See below:
When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdoms dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.
Nothing will come of this. No one in authority has the backbone to ask Obama for his actual birth certificate. End of story.
So what would happen if another “interested” person were to get a certified copy of this birth certificate and publish it on the internet?
I wonder how much it would cost?
I can’t believe that anyone from Kenya would mail his birth certificate. He is popular over there isn’t he? Why would they hurt him? Unless it is a supporter of the opposite party of his cousin?
But he IS a natural born citizen....of the world.
I’m an American and I say, “America first!”
BIG, if true.
You trying to tell me the media will ignore this?
If true & Obama wins the GOP, in an effort to appear good sports, will acquiesce and agree to rid the Constitution of that bothersome provision.
Maybe this is the miracle we have all been praying for.
I do believe in divine intervention...and golly gee, we sure need some now.
People, keep this bumped, and send it to everyone. Let’s not have this ignored by the press.
Exactly. Corsi who wrote Obama Nation was on Dennis Miller on Friday. He said that many people who oppose the cousin HATE Obama.
GIVE IT A REST!
Prior to May 24, 1934, U.S. citizen mothers were not permitted to transmit U.S. citizenship to their children born abroad. The Act of May 24, 1934 (the “1934 Statute”) gave U.S. citizen mothers equality of status regarding their ability to transmit U.S. citizenship. However the provision was not applied retroactively. Therefore, children born before May 24, 1934 to a U.S. citizen mother and an alien father did not acquire U.S. citizenship.
On or after May 24, 1934, a child born outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, whose father or mother (or both) was a citizen of the United States at the time of the child’s birth, would be considered a United States citizen provided that the U.S. citizen parent had resided in the United States prior to the birth of the child. The previous interpretation of “resided” continued to apply under the 1934 Statute.
Unless Obamas Mama renounced her US Citizenship (No record of that) or Obama did the same, he is a US Citizen.
Fer Petes sake....that horse is dead - OK?
Texasdarlin’, aka: Hillary Clinton. Just kidding folks, just kidding.
One would think that, at some point, a Presidential candidate would be asked for his papers. But we have so demonized firm, objective standards in this country, I am starting to think that there are none left. Everything is relative and negotiable.
But it’s OK! He’s a Democrat and the ONE...the MESSIAH. You won’t hear a peep about this in the media.
I’m really getting sick of this issue being posted day in and day out with no real proof.
Until there is 100% confirmed proof that he was born somewhere other than Hawaii or the US, I don’t want to hear about it.
It makes us look like kooks with the constant non proof speculation.
Show me the money!
No, the horse is not dead. He is NOT a natural born citizen and thus ineligible to be President.
If this hits the MSM, it’s over for Obama presidency.
I wonder if we'll be able to see copies of these in the Barack HUSSEIN Obama presidential library in about 8 or 9 years.
Repugnant indeed, and beyond that.
He will do just as Odinga and there will be bloody rioting if he loses.
Please God let this bc info be purely true!
Will the three individuals with the certified copies please step forward.
Thanks, Rushmore Rocks.
Pinging with hope.
Adding this alarming comment:
Federal Courts have no jurisdiction to enforce the US Constitution? Who does, then?
We want to see these certified birth certs, and all the letters/paperwork that came with them, including envelopes with date stamps.
The hard thing is believing one outrageous claim.
After that is accomplished—a body can make one self believe in all of them!
You know the most interesting aspect of him being not able to qualify this way ,is the fact that the only way he has ever seemed to be elected is by disqualifying his competition at the eligibility level. Would be a riot seeing this thrown back in his face.
I just posted it.
IF Obama is not eligible, then John is not, what with Johns’ being born in the Canal Zone and all.....
If it is proven I wouldn’t be surprised if McCain said “That’s okay. He’s a decent man so let him have the presidency.”
Get that p.o.s. out of my country.
If the horse is not dead, then someone needs to put up or shut up.
The following is also from the Texasdarlin blog. Let me tell you — the world is watching our election with keen interest, especially those in Latin & South America.
There are many examples in this world of entire populations being taken by a charismatic speaker. This warning was posted on another internet site from an Ecuadoran gentleman named Antonio Sosa:
As someone born in Ecuador with friends and relatives in Latin America, Im terrified watching how people in the United States are being manipulated just like people in Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador to put a Marxist in power.
The similarities between Rafael Correas campaign for president of Ecuador and that of Obama for U.S. president are amazing. Correa had no experience but was young, charismatic and had good speaking skills. Correas slogans were the same as Obamas: CHANGE, YES WE CAN, etc.
Informed Ecuadorians were not able to convince their clueless compatriots that Correa was a fake and not the young and wonderful savior the media was portraying. They could not compete in ads with the millions Correa had (mostly from unknown sources).
Once he took over, Correa dissolved Congress and took control of the legislative and judicial powers. In other words, he became a dictator. Ecuadorians are poorer than ever. The CHANGE has been toward Marxism and greater poverty for all.
Its now obvious that Correa works for Chávez and terrorists AGAINST the United States.
Most informed Ecuadorians, when they realized the similarities between Correa and Obama, felt confident that Americans could not be fooled as Ecuadorians had. However, it seems many Americans are as clueless as the poorest and most ignorant people in Ecuador or Bolivia.
I hope its not too late and Americans realize that Obama is a Marxists with ties to Islamic terrorists, just like Castro, Chávez, Morales, Correa and Odinga.
Thanks. Bookmarking for later.
the repugnance extends to the entire democrat party
they will owe donors many millons of dollars in damages if they have stayed silent and permitted an unqualified candidate to head their ticket and solicit money
there should also be passport records confirming the travel of Stanley Dunham to Kenya/ Canada) and back to the US/Canada in 1961
The opponents of Odinga no doubt have a huge grudge against Obama.
Remember Obama helped Odinga ( allegedly Obama’s cousin—and a muslim leader and current Kenyan Prime Minister) campaign for the Kenyan presidency....it was very high profile-—Obama is a celebrity there—when Odinga lost, Odinga supporters ( Islam extremists) went on a rampage with massive bloodshed of Christian Kenyans.
So perhaps someone in the Odinga oppostion helped investigators obtain the birth certificate.
I am skeptical about this but if true the “Obama has some explaining to do”! Now this Philadelphia judge who appointed him?
Money talks in Kenya
As Corsi found out
Well, DUDE! John McCain’s parents were both US citizens AND his father was serving with the US military overseas. He is, BY LAW, considered a natural born citizen.
Go back to the underside of that rock you inhabit on DU!!
going to the linked blog will allow you to view links etc that didn’t come through in the post here
“Now this Philadelphia judge who appointed him?”
The Honorable Billy Jeff Clinton.
I just have one question for you. Why does Barack show a copy of a Hawaian birth certificate? If it’s what you said wouldn’t he be able to explain his foreign birth in a legal manner?
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