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tank.nationalreview.com/ ^ | 12/10/2008 | Mackubin Thomas Owens

Posted on 12/10/2008 7:12:45 PM PST by neverdem

I received a number of e-mails in response to my piece on about Gen. Eric Shinseki that ran Monday on NRO. Since the article focused on how the announcement of his nomination to be Secretary of Veterans Affairs had become the occasion for the media to trot out old falsehoods about the Bush administration and the Iraq War, the result was that I left out some important things about Shinseki.

First of all, I believe that General Shinseki is a good and honorable man. I think that his nomination to head the Department of Veterans Affairs is a good thing. He was badly wounded during the Vietnam War and was one of only a handful of veterans of that war to remain on active duty after losing part of a limb.

Second, given the tenor of the times, General Shinseki is to be commended for not taking his disagreements with Donald Rumsfeld (which predated the Iraq War) public, in violation of the tradition of American civil-military relations, as so many other general officers have done. Unlike Gen. Rick Sanchez, he has not written a CYA book, nor has he given his story to Bob Woodward, as Gen. George Casey did.

Upon his retirement from the Army in June 2003, Shinseki did write Secretary Rumsfeld a private letter in which he stated:

I feel duty bound to provide you with some of my closing thoughts . . . . While our disagreements have been well-chronicled, and sometimes exaggerated, these professional disagreements were never personal, never disrespectful, and never challenged the foundational principle of civilian control of the military in our form of government. . . .

Nonetheless, he gave it to the secretary with both barrels:

I am greatly concerned that OSD [Office of the Secretary of Defense] processes have often become ad hoc and long established conventional processes are atrophying. Specifically, there are areas that need your attention as the ad hoc processes often do not adequately consider professional military judgment and advice. . . . Second, there is a lack of strategic review to frame our day-to-day issues . . . . Third, there has been a lack of explicit discussion on risk in most decisions. . . . Finally, I find it unhelpful to participate in senior level decision-making meetings without structured agendas, objectives, pending decisions and other traditional means of time management.

In keeping his disagreements with Secretary Rumsfeld private, General Shinseki followed in the steps of Rear Adm. James O. Richardson, commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet in 1940. When President Franklin Roosevelt decided to attempt to deter Japanese expansionism by moving the U.S. Pacific Fleet from California to Pearl Harbor during the summer of that year, Richardson objected, arguing that basing the Pacific Fleet in Hawaii was provocative and could precipitate a war with Japan. The president fired him and replaced him with Rear Adm. Husband E. Kimmel. As Adm. Harold Stark, the Chief of Naval Operations, wrote to Kimmel after the affair, "This, of course, is White House prerogative and responsibility, and believe me, it is used these days." To his credit Richardson kept his objections to FDR's decision private and went quietly into retirement.


TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: ericshinseki; shinseki

1 posted on 12/10/2008 7:12:46 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Isn’t Shinskei the bozo that ordered black berets for the entire US Army?


2 posted on 12/10/2008 7:23:38 PM PST by Spirochete
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To: neverdem

Both barrels of blah blah blah.

The man wanted things done his way and clearly resented Rumsfeld.

Tough!

Why does the author feel the need to kiss the Generals rear end?


3 posted on 12/10/2008 7:32:37 PM PST by Carley (Prayers for Sgt. Eddie Ryan)
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To: Spirochete

He’s the Bozo who was right about the number of troops needed.


4 posted on 12/10/2008 7:38:43 PM PST by nufsed
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To: Spirochete

Yes.

Shinseki-san’s greatest contribution to military morale: accesorize.

I have never been nor likely to be, a Ranger - but I believe the black beret is earned, not issued.


5 posted on 12/10/2008 7:39:22 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: Carley
Why does the author feel the need to kiss the Generals rear end?

He was fairly critical of him in the article that I linked in the first sentence.

6 posted on 12/10/2008 7:45:43 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

I have two friends - retired O-6s - who worked for and have great respect for Gen Shinseki. I trust their judgment - and one of them was right in the middle of the black beret issue (he still rolls his eyes when I mention it). Even great leaders occasionally get cerebral methane.

Colonel, USAFR


7 posted on 12/10/2008 7:46:00 PM PST by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: nufsed

Exactly right. He and about 40 other generals nailed that one, only to be ignored by Rumsfield and Wolfowitz. These two clowns kept us from using the right strategies to win for the long-term.

I hate the black beret as an ‘accessory’ for all in the US Army. It should be strictly for the Rangers use. There are too many unprofessional soldiers that don’t know how to wear it properly.


8 posted on 12/10/2008 7:56:19 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: SFC Chromey
I agree about the berets and I understand the importance of uniform distinctions to the troops, but the first point got a lot of people killed unnecessarily.
9 posted on 12/10/2008 8:00:48 PM PST by nufsed
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To: nufsed

Shinseki was not “right” - his estimate was far too high. Not that Rumsfield’s lowball was precisely correct, but it was more accurate than Shinseki’s “hundreds of thousands.”

Lincoln hired - and fired - several generals before he found the ones that actually would fight the war. Shinseki was Bush’s (and Rumsfield’s) Mclellan. But I believe that he will be EXCELLENT in his new post - he knows and cares about the troops.


10 posted on 12/10/2008 8:10:56 PM PST by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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To: MainFrame65
The consequences of his error was not as serious as that of Rumsfeld. Also Bush and Rumsfled ignored more than one general and they (B&R) were proven wrong. So let's not get too tied up in too many troops when we erred in the wrong direction.

My grandson who was in the 7th grade at the time could comment on the problems of border control and city security after looking at a map of Iraq.

11 posted on 12/10/2008 8:15:21 PM PST by nufsed
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To: Spirochete
Isn’t Shinskei the bozo that ordered black berets for the entire US Army?
Yes.
12 posted on 12/10/2008 9:24:40 PM PST by dbz77
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To: neverdem
On Gen. 親戚さん I read about him. I know he came into the picture during Clinton's tenure. One of his biggest mistakes was issuing black berets for all army soldiers. Even though I never was in the service but I was not happy with the decision and still not even today. That should be continually reserved for the Army Rangers. On other items, it seems like he was on the money especially following the ethical trail of keeping his disagreements with Rumsfield private and keeping politics to himself unlike two other high brass military people - Colin Powell and Adm. Crowe by supporting the democrats.
13 posted on 12/10/2008 9:26:18 PM PST by CORedneck
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