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Obama's House of Cards Already Falling Apart
The Policy Project ^ | 11 December 2008 | Patrick gibson

Posted on 12/12/2008 5:48:04 AM PST by NorthShoreGibby

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1 posted on 12/12/2008 5:48:05 AM PST by NorthShoreGibby
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To: NorthShoreGibby

I think an Obama supporter in either the Justice Dept or the FBI tipped off the Obama camp before they made a deal with Blago. That said, it may be that Rahm Emmanuel could be guilty of something by even taking part in such discussions without informing the Feds. Knowledge of corruption and not reporting it is a crime.


2 posted on 12/12/2008 5:53:38 AM PST by milwguy (........)
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To: NorthShoreGibby

The Messiah would never lie! The Messiah that is Obama, that is. :)


3 posted on 12/12/2008 5:54:09 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no such thing as a good tax." Winston Churchill)
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To: NorthShoreGibby

I would like Freepers to consider participating in an email campaing to Blago, offering support and encoraging him to call the legislature’s bluff to impeach. I don’t think most Illinois Democrats could survive such a public inquiry, including the President Elect. Blago should say, “Go ahead. Let us air our dirty laundry. Let he who has not sinned cast he first stone.”


4 posted on 12/12/2008 5:54:33 AM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: NorthShoreGibby

5 posted on 12/12/2008 5:55:33 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: NorthShoreGibby
Was the crime stopped before it had an opportunity to implicate Obama?

Yes, but it wasn't stopped for that reason. Once Obama is installed, he was going to fire all those Prosecutors because they are of the wrong political persuasion (wasn't Bush investigated for that). Thus, if Fitz waited much longer, he'd have been out of a job and the man/woman replacing him would sweep the whole matter under the carpet. So they may have pulled the trigger a little early, but they nailed a big bad guy with the shot.

6 posted on 12/12/2008 5:56:23 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspell)
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To: NorthShoreGibby

Actually, it’s not that bad for Zero. All of the tapes have Blago ranting about getting nothing from Zero in exchange for his senate candidate.

The only thing that could bite Zero in the butt is if it later comes out that he did in fact have at least one meeting (face to face or on the tapped phones) with Blago about Zero’s replacement. Zero has denied that he ever met with Blago for that purpose, so he would then be caught in a lie. (I hope Fitz puts Zero in front of a Grand Jury.)

I think Zero knew for a long time that Blago’s phones were tapped and so he knew not to offer any quid pro quo to Blago for a senate appointment. That’s why Blago went so ballistic when he was turned down.


7 posted on 12/12/2008 5:56:47 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: milwguy

He was at the courthouse in Chicago yesterday. My first thought: shredding documents. And he wouldn’t answer any questions.


8 posted on 12/12/2008 5:57:45 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Zevonismymuse

It appears that his phone conversations—the ones revealed thus far—aren’t enough to convict him of anything, according to all the talking heads I heard this morning. Saying something doesn’t mean any money changed hands or anything untoward actually took place. So he’s got one foot out the door already. I agree that Blago should take a stand. It’s the Chicago way. (And hopefully he and the rest of those involved get their just “rewards”.)


9 posted on 12/12/2008 6:00:58 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Yo-Yo

And that’s why guys like Emmanuel do the dirty work.


10 posted on 12/12/2008 6:02:13 AM PST by sarasota
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To: NorthShoreGibby
Was the crime stopped before it had an opportunity to implicate Obama?

Bingo! We have a winner!

11 posted on 12/12/2008 6:02:47 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: sarasota

No word yet on whether Sandy Berger was with him.


12 posted on 12/12/2008 6:05:42 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: NorthShoreGibby

Here’s another one to ponder. How about taking a good look at Michelle Obama’s previous activities. She tripled her salary by getting on that hospital board. What happened there? Who did who a favor and why? Do hospital boards always give raises like that? Was she THAT good? Nah.........


13 posted on 12/12/2008 6:10:18 AM PST by bergmeid (Best entertainment I've had in a while.)
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To: sarasota

My first thought: shredding documents.

***

Ditto, I can’t believe Mr Hairdo would be allowed back into the center of a crime scene to tamper with stuff. I guess if all the paper could have been confiscated it would have been ....but guess not??


14 posted on 12/12/2008 6:11:06 AM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: vietvet67

I actually saw Sandy Berger on CNN a couple of weeks ago. That guy should be in jail.


15 posted on 12/12/2008 6:12:08 AM PST by sarasota
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To: NorthShoreGibby

And here I thought we’d actually have to wait for BO to be crowned before the scandals started.


16 posted on 12/12/2008 6:15:53 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: milwguy
that's the rumor going around here...the Feds specifically told jarrett to “walk away”
17 posted on 12/12/2008 6:16:52 AM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: NorthShoreGibby
Time to confiscate Blackberry's, cell phones, and hard drives from all of these low lifes.

That is, if they haven't already been wiped!

18 posted on 12/12/2008 6:17:20 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: sarasota

he’s in violation of his plea deal. He’s still hasn’t shown up for his polygraph. And the Feds still haven’t asked him to show up for it.


19 posted on 12/12/2008 6:20:42 AM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: sarasota

“It appears that his phone conversations—the ones revealed thus far—aren’t enough to convict him of anything”

Well, not entirely true otherwise Fitz never would have busted him. Blago conspired to use a public trust for his personal gain.


20 posted on 12/12/2008 6:22:57 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Yo-Yo

“Actually, it’s not that bad for Zero. All of the tapes have Blago ranting about getting nothing from Zero in exchange for his senate candidate.”

All of the tapes RELEASED! Fitz said he has only released information pertaining to the case against Blago himself.


21 posted on 12/12/2008 6:23:46 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: Yo-Yo
“Actually, it’s not that bad for Zero. All of the tapes have Blago ranting about getting nothing from Zero in exchange for his senate candidate.”

Zero's problem (so far) seems to be his denials and his lying about innocent behavior.

22 posted on 12/12/2008 6:25:09 AM PST by NeoCaveman (posting from the office of the bitter clingers)
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To: bergmeid

That was my thought. How ironic that Blago’s wife was being set up to get the same position that Michelle was leaving behind? If the position was able to be handed out rather than earned, why is no one investigation how and why she got the job too?

Of course this is the One was are talking about... what was I thinking?


23 posted on 12/12/2008 6:25:12 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: Esther Ruth

I thought I saw file cabinets being wheeled out of there a few days ago. I could be wrong I guess, but am pretty sure that’s what they were.


24 posted on 12/12/2008 6:32:11 AM PST by bergmeid (Best entertainment I've had in a while.)
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To: sarasota
Conspiracies are easier to prove than you think. It doesn't require that the ultimate bad act be completed, only that there is an agreement between two or more persons and somebody takes a substantial step toward completion of the deed.

Feds have the resources to make sure they are not going to look like asses after announcing an indictment. I think there is something other than sunshine over Blago's future.
25 posted on 12/12/2008 6:32:59 AM PST by SalukiLawyer (Sitting on the oogedy-boogety branch since 1975)
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To: bergmeid

Are you serious?


26 posted on 12/12/2008 6:34:04 AM PST by sarasota
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To: sarasota

Yes. I saw them wheeling out stuff and carrying out stuff.


27 posted on 12/12/2008 6:35:41 AM PST by bergmeid (Best entertainment I've had in a while.)
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To: SalukiLawyer

Of course you’re right. I spent too much time (10 mins.) listening to tv this morning and that confirms what I already knew: MSM covering for Democrats.


28 posted on 12/12/2008 6:36:45 AM PST by sarasota
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To: bergmeid

Although I can’t remember if it was from his home or his governor’s office. Probably his home.


29 posted on 12/12/2008 6:37:17 AM PST by bergmeid (Best entertainment I've had in a while.)
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To: theDentist; pgkdan; Yo-Yo; sarasota

You guys need to review how a conspiracy charge is used. A completed bribe is not necessary - only an intent to commit a crime between two or more people. Blago’s goose is cooked - like thedentist says Fitz has a limited time frame to work - if he works over Blago he may roll over on the big guy. Fingers crossed. ;-)


30 posted on 12/12/2008 6:37:23 AM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here. ;-)
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To: bergmeid

I hope you reported this to Patrick Fitzgerald! Seriously.


31 posted on 12/12/2008 6:40:33 AM PST by sarasota
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To: sarasota

I think we have our wires crossed :-). These were FEDS that did that. I assume!! They looked official to me. Sorry for the mix-up.


32 posted on 12/12/2008 6:42:50 AM PST by bergmeid (Best entertainment I've had in a while.)
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To: NorthShoreGibby
My prediction:

Fitz will protect all those associated with Obama. That's just his style. He is not going to offend his new boss. Rahm will be protected - insufficient evidence to show that he took part in or had knowledge of the illegal deal-making by others.

33 posted on 12/12/2008 6:54:42 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: sarasota
Tell Blago to Stand Strong

Here is a link to contact Blago and tell him not to let Fitz keep this investigation private. Blagajevich should call their bluff and say make my day....go ahead with the impeachment. I think we will all benefit from this investigation being kept in the public eye. Once Blago resigns he will lose the one thing he has going for him: bringing consequences to other dirty politicians.

34 posted on 12/12/2008 6:56:34 AM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: bergmeid

Well that’s a relief!


35 posted on 12/12/2008 6:58:58 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Esther Ruth
I can’t believe Mr Hairdo would be allowed back into the center of a crime scene to tamper with stuff.

I am not certain that any crimes have been committed. I think Blagajevich is being scapegoated. Politics is a game of "What's in it for me" and Blago was just a little less discreet about how he asked. I really hope Blagajevich fights this with everything hes got.

36 posted on 12/12/2008 7:01:05 AM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: Zevonismymuse

Done!


37 posted on 12/12/2008 7:10:46 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Zevonismymuse

“I really hope Blagajevich fights this with everything hes got.”

You betcha!

As we are so often reminded by the various organs of media record, there is nothing like a public airing of political laundry to restore the confidence of the American people in their political process.

Besides, in these troubled times, I’m sure that the popcorn industry could use a little boost!


38 posted on 12/12/2008 7:17:35 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: NeoCaveman
Zero's problem (so far) seems to be his denials and his lying about innocent behavior.

That'll be the leitmotif of this next Administration.

39 posted on 12/12/2008 7:19:46 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obamanation: an imploding administration headed by a clueless schmuck)
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To: headsonpikes; sarasota
As we are so often reminded by the various organs of media record, there is nothing like a public airing of political laundry to restore the confidence of the American people in their political process.

This is a gift from God and should not be squandered. An impeachment trial of Blagajevich will reveal politics as usual in Chicago in a way our MSM has refused to do.

40 posted on 12/12/2008 7:24:37 AM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: Zevonismymuse

Keep posting this with the link you provided above!


41 posted on 12/12/2008 7:42:14 AM PST by sarasota
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Keep posting this with the link you provided above!

Here we go:

Tell Blago to Stand Strong

42 posted on 12/12/2008 7:43:53 AM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: sarasota

The law says that intent is sufficient for conviction so Blago is going to be in trouble anyway.


43 posted on 12/12/2008 8:40:36 AM PST by romanesq
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To: NorthShoreGibby

Obama’s House of Cards Already Falling Apart
***and none too soon.


44 posted on 12/12/2008 9:20:45 AM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Yo-Yo

If you have knowledge of a felony - solicitation of a bribe for example - you have to notify the authorities. THAT’S Obama’s problem.


45 posted on 12/12/2008 3:41:02 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
If you have knowledge of a felony - solicitation of a bribe for example - you have to notify the authorities.

You can't lie to investigators if you talk to them, or actively hide evidence (obstructing justice) but I'm not aware of a general requirement to inform (with certain exceptions like mandated child abuse reporters). What are your thoughts on this?
46 posted on 12/12/2008 3:54:25 PM PST by SalukiLawyer (Sitting on the oogedy-boogety branch since 1975)
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To: NorthShoreGibby

BUMP, BECAUSE I LIKE THE HEADLINE.


47 posted on 12/12/2008 3:58:06 PM PST by roses of sharon ("No socialist system can be established without a political police.", Churchill -1945)
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To: milwguy

I have no doubt they called this thing before it got any deeper, likely because it was getting dangerous for Obama. Question is, who in the Chicago district is perhaps not fully onboard with Fitzgerald and compromising his investigation?


48 posted on 12/12/2008 3:58:44 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: milwguy
"I think an Obama supporter in either the Justice Dept or the FBI tipped off the Obama camp before they made a deal with Blago."

BINGO! We have a winner. Tell me this timeline is just coincidence:

Fitzpatrick gets wiretap subpoena from Federal judge. Gets tons of juicy data including the Obama team trying to setup a deal.

Federal judges are the dominion of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Our friend Patrick "Leaky" Leahy, a proven squawkbox of confindential information, meets with Obama's future AG appointee Eric Holder. Leahy leaks to Holder that a Federal judge has authorized a wiretap of Blago.

Holder informs Obama and guess what? In the next 24 hours, the Obama camp pulls back from Blago, the story is leaked to the press, and Obama's pick Jarret starts claiming she never wanted the job.

The next day Blago is arrested because Fitz realizes his investigation has been compromised by "someone."

My guess is Fitz is REALLY pissed off and if you thought Scooter got a whipping, wait until he finds out who blew his stakeout.

49 posted on 12/12/2008 4:20:26 PM PST by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: SalukiLawyer

IANAL, I’ll defer to you.

Here’s a statue that was posted on other threads. Appreciate your opinion:

18 US Code Sect.4 - Misprison of Felony- Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.


50 posted on 12/12/2008 5:38:02 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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