Posted on 12/19/2008 9:48:45 PM PST by Red Steel
Motion for Subpoenes for Obama BC issued in WA state, case to be heard by the full court. BO announces vacation in HI
COMES NOW, James E. Broe, Kenneth R. Seal, Robert Baker, Mark Sussman, Stan Walter, Bill Wise, Andy Stevens, Ed Crawford, Jason Lagen, Louise Workman, Jocelyn Murcelli, Mike Murcelli and Kevin McDowell, by and through counsel of record Stephen Pidgeon, pursuant to RAP 17.3(a), the Rules of Discovery, CR 26-37, and CR 45 governing the issuance of subpoenas, and Move this Honorable Court for an order allowing the issuance of two subpoenas for the purpose of obtaining admissible evidence in this case, and expediting discovery pursuant to the proposed schedule.
Relief Requested
Plaintiffs seek an Order allowing plaintiffs expedited discovery by means of two subpoenas, one to be served on the Secretary of State of the State of Washington, to discover the following items: I) the Declaration of Candidacy of Barack Obama as filed in the State of Washington; 2) all records concerning the candidacy and disallowance of Socialist Worker’s Party candidate Frank Colero within the Secretary of State’s office; and one to be served upon the Director of the Department of Health in the State of Hawaii, to discover the following items: 3) the Birth Certificate of Barack Obama in Hawaii, and 4) all supporting documentation regarding the registration of the birth of Barack Obama in Hawaii. Plaintiffs seek an order which establishes the following schedule.
1. Plaintiffs are to serve the State of Hawaii Department of Health with a Subpoena in the form attached hereto as approved by the Court no later than the close of business on Monday, December 22, 2008, and responses shall be served upon Plaintiffs’ ‘counsel. no later than the close of business on December 28, 2008.
Heehee...
This is just a motion at this point?
Ping.
Why was Obama present during granny's final days, yet not present during her funeral?
Did he or one of his thugs murder her?
Why did Obama's people at Daily Kos release a forgery and call it his birth certificate?
Ink must finally be dry ... wanna bet Fukino will accompany him when he presents at the vault location?
There is something on that BC he doesn’t want known and there just aren’t many possibilities.
Did you see this:
For a Ten day visit, President-elect Barack Obama is scheduled to arrive in Hawaii tomorrow for what will be his third visit to the islands this year.
The compound he will be renting costs $8,250 per day.
http://www.starbulletin.com/news/20081219_Obama_due_back_in_isles_for_10-day_trip.html
Head start in case he needs to make a quick get away??????
Obama pushed up the Hawaiian visit date. He’s scared.
Obama was in Hawaii about 2 weeks ago shopping around for help. He sought out influential people. He’s been writing letter(s) to Governor Linda Lingle. He’s scared out of his wits if the Washington Court grants discovery.
PING
He may want to try to do it again if he can pull it off. He will need a professional job this time to do it.
If Lingle was smart she, made certified copies of all documents relating to Obama's origin and secured them at different locations.
For those who haven’t been following the matter closely, this is arguably the strongest case of all, due to Washington State statute that clearly gives standing to the plaintiffs to sue over ineligibility. The statute arose from that disputed Gregoire election. The suit is further strengthened by the fact that Calero was expressly denied access to the ballot due to ineligibility, for the 2008 Presidential election. Thus, it is not possible for the Washington Secretary of State, Reed, to make any claim that eligibility was determined by party certification.
Why, though, is Calero referred to as “Frank,” instead of “Roger,” as he is known on all the other state ballots?
Red, surely with all of BO foreign connections he can find one who knows someone, who knows someone that is an expert.
Problem may be getting an original to copy,
The question, is Obama hiding something that would destroy his presidency, and if that's the case, does he have the balls to go through with it?
A freeper who is a court clerk said that in order for a paper from the court house to be used as evidence in court, it must be picked up by a court clerk and hand delivered with LEO accompaniment to the stand. They then must swear it has never been out of their sight as does the LEO.
In this case I want a locked brief case, military transportation and the FBI to be involved.
Do what the democrats do, find a FAVORABLE judge!
maybe he’ll trade hawaii secession for a birth certificate
best regards, blu
The Congress would never impeach him no matter what.
Oh yes they would. They would have no choice. If they didn’t there would be a 2nd revolution and nobody wants that
Bump for later reading!
Ping.
Bookmark for later.
Calling your attention to keyword abuse, involving profanity. I have no idea who is responsible, but you are able to tell. It looks to be getting out of hand.
I seriously doubt that anything will come of this. Given the history of BO’s refusal to disclose I would expect that, IF the WA court issues the Subpoena, he will just ignore it or claim he doesn’t have to respond or invent “pre-executive privilege” or some other lunacy. I DO think it is interesting that he’s heading to Hawaii right now ... who/what is in Hawaii that he wants to see for Xmas? Why not stay in Chicago??? Unless he needs to be there to strong-arm local officials or keep them from answering a subpoena.
In other words ... if it comes down to it, Obama will appeal to a Federal court, and the Federal court will throw it out.
If so, it won’t be thrown out on standing. If there is an issue with merit, it will be due to a too narrow focus upon the potential cause(s) of ineligibility. I’m very suspicious of how this has all come to be understood as being about Obama’s birth certificate. That’s exactly how Chester Arthur bamboozled critics in his day. No coincidence, imho.
Let me know how that keyword abuse thing turns out. I did the same thing and the admin mod zotted the troll “searchin”. Then a few days later the admin mod said tough luck. So I think it’s a flip of the coin depending upon which admin mod you get and the phase of the moon and the quaternary nature of the universe phase conjugate reality particle.
And just like Bill Clinton he will be voted not guilty. Then he will get a big bump in the polls and the Republicans and Conservatives will suffer a beating for years.
The press and dems will pronounce him King for life.
A coup demands the people react/take action.
We really want to be a nation of law(s) and have desperately attempted to abide by law.
The Gregoire (D) theft is just another example of the fascist/socialist tactics coming around and biting themselves in the ass.
BINGO!
'Oh yes they would. They would have no choice. If they didn’t there would be a 2nd revolution and nobody wants that'
So are you saying that it's okay for him to take office before he proves he is a natural-born citiizen? Shouldn't the 2nd revolution occur before he is inaugurated if he doesn't show he is qualifieid to hold office?
It's his responsibility to come up with proof -- not our responsibility to dig up his birth certificate. All he has to do is show it. Why burden the people with what might be an impossible task when it falls to the candidate to prove himself/herself worthy of office?
Forum guidelines prohibit the posting of profanity on the open forum. This rule also applies to keywords. Quit posting profanity in keywords. Thank you.
Thanks for the tip.
I disagree with you here. If, after Jan. 20th, Obama is proven to not be a “natural born citizen” by whatever procedure, do you really think Pelosi, Franks, Reid, Clinton (her memories of Bill's impeachment haven't faded), Kennedy, et al would allow/bring charges of impeachment against him? They would excuse it away or “the next time we do something” or some other lame excuse, and nobody would challenge them.
As I see it, this Obama birth certificate mess is a Catch-22:
1. On the one hand, we need the courts help so that we can see Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate ---the one with the doctor and birth hospital names on it---in order to prove whether or not Obama is eligible to be president. This sounds reasonable to me.
2. But, on the other hand, the courts say that they cannot allow us access to Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate until we prove that Obama is NOT eligible.
3. I'm screaming at the courts: If we could prove that Obama was NOT eligible without referring to the long form birth certificate, we would do so, and we would not need the courts to help us get Obama's long form birth certificate in the first place!
Is this crazy or what?
I don’t think an impeachment would be necessary. The man would NOT be President, for the reason that no one, not Congress and not the electorate could ever make him President, and therefore Congress would not need to act as if he were the President, neither de jure or de facto.
All that would be required is for the Federal marshalls, acting under court order, to evict him from the premeses without fanfare or ado.
Just set the SOB in the street.
Is Obama going back to Hawaii to hush everyone up? A criminal cover-up?
Note that Obama went to Hawaii just before his grandmother died. When she passed away after the campaign when Obama had more time, he failed to attend her funeral......... Hummmmmmmm?
I applaud these folks in Washington State.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244
Gee I have an old circa 1950’s typewriter in the basement with the ribbon. It does still work....hmmm....
I am betting the Governor has not only the tightest security around this document she may even have plans in store in case it was stolen.
There was some silly talk around here in Wasilla that Lingle sent a copy of the original BC to Sarah and she had it at her church, and I tell anyone here that is a really wild rumor by tinhatters trying to shift blame about the church fire. But I don know the security that was here for Sarah is most definitely still here.
Pravda, English edition, states they challenge anyone to find a record of Madelyn Durham being hospitalized or her death certificate.
What’s up with this? This true?
Found here:
“Letter from a reader, sample complaint to the Illinois bar against Obama”
http://drorly.blogspot.com/2008/12/letter-from-reader-sample-complaint-to.html
And also here in comments section:
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=2066
“Downloadable sample complaint to the Illinois bar against Obama”
http://www.4shared.com/file/76849580/92269d92/ATTORNEY_GRIEVANCE_COMPLAINT_AGAINST_BARACK_OBAMA.html
I agree it is his responsibility. He has never known that word though. WND had a private investigator do some research. Here is the link.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83851
jrh Says:
With regard to the post about forging the original long form — it’s probable that the archive is on microfiche and would be in reels of sequential documents recorded as they occurred. That would be a more formidable forgery task.
Though it would seem more likely that if he was born in Hawaii, the info would be sent to the newspapers without that kind of delay.
I personally believe that Obama's original Kenyan birth certificate is sitting in a sealed envelope locked away in the Vital Records vault. The statement made by Fukino and Onaka did not say that they actualy "saw" the paper birth certificate or even if they saw a microfiche of it.
They only said that they had personally "seen and verified that Hawaii has it on record." Now, had they actually looked at the document itself, then they would have said that they had "personally seen and verified Obama's original Birth Certificate," but that is not at all what they said. All they said was that they saw to it that the Health Department had it on record," which leads me to conclude again, that they saw nothing tangible on which they could actually put their fingers.
Now, they also could have been looking at microfiche instead of looking at a sealed envelope that had an official label on it saying, "Obama's original birth certificate," but, again I'm opting for the sealed envelope scenario.
The way that they would have handled Obama's out-of-state, late birth registration would have been for Stanley Dunham to hand over to Hawaii Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate, which was then deposited in an enveloped and sealed, after which they issued her a Hawaiian Certificate of Birth which has the same info as on the Kenyan birth certificate.
There can be only one, original birth certificate, so the document that Hawaii issued to Stanley is NOT the original birth certificate on record -- the Kenyan one is, however.
http://decalogosintl.org/documents/sos/Response_to_Discovery_Motion.pdf (pg 8 of 9)
Title 19. Health
~ Chapter 338. Vital Statistics
~~ Part I. State Public Health Statistics Act
~~~ § 338-18. Disclosure of records ...
(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is: ...
(4): “A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such records which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings”
In theory, if an attorney has been responded to with a copy of the "CertificATION of Live Birth" from Camp Obama, it should give that attorney justification to request "verification in lieu of a certified copy."
In fact, if Obama had proof of residency that Stanley & Obama Sr. had been living in Hawaii for a year prior to his birth, then he, himself, could obtain an amended Certification of Live Birth.
I spoke to Steve Pidgeon on the phone on Friday and he said the hearing date for the motion for discovery subpoenas will be Jun 8, the same as the hearing date to decide if they take the case. He was saying that he may request that the en banc hearing date be moved back so that the discovery motion can be heard first and they have time to issue the subpoenas.
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