Posted on 01/02/2009 11:26:35 PM PST by Kevmo
Discussion with a staffer
I had an email exchange with Jon Yoshimura, who works for Senator Akaka of Hawaii.
I sent him an email about Senate Resolution 511 and the AOL informal survey:
In Senate Resolution 511 unanimously adopted earlier this year, the Senate affirmed that to be a natural born citizen, one must be the child of two American citizen parents. Are they going to ignore their own resolution?
Senators must stand up and address the Obama Eligibility Controversy on January 8, 2009, or voters will respond by removing them using the power of the ballot box. After all, an informal AOL poll of over 100,000 reveals that 53 percent of respondents, from every state, think that Obama eligibility is in question:
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/12/05/hot-seat-obamas-birth-certificate/5
Even more than half of the respondents from Hawaii felt there was a question about Obama's eligibility.
Here is a special message to all Senators:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APOA5WSUDmE
Senators have to understand that the public expects them to live up to their oath of office to defend the constitution, or else suffer the consequences.
and he was quite doubtful:
If you want me to take you seriously, you must stop mistating/ignoring the facts. You said: "In Senate Resolution 511 unanimously adopted earlier this year, the Senate affirmed that to be a natural born citizen, one must be the child of two American citizen parents."
This is simply incorrect. S.Res. 511, ironically, cosponsored by then-Senator Obama, acknowledges Sen. John McCain's eligibility to run for President as a "natural born Citizen. " It confirms that Sen. McCain was born to "American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone," but creates no requirement that in order to be a natural born citizen your parents must both be American citizens.
You also point to a survey on AOL that suggests that a majority of Americans think that the President-elect's eligibility is in question. Besides the fact that this survey is not being conducted in a scientific manner according to accepted polling guidelines, I believe that most Americans believe otherwise and have already come to the correct conclusion that Obama is a natural born citizen. Thus, the only ones responding to the survey are those who are being led to it by individuals and organizations who want to keep the issue on life support. For example, although I am somewhat well read, this is the first I heard of the survey and I wouldn't have come accross it without your prompting.
Please stop this deliberate campaign of misinformation which preys on the ignorance of those without access to legitimate information...or...if you wish...continue to waste your time.
Anyway, I mean you no ill-will. Thank you for writing me and I hope you find time to have a happy holidays!
Sincerely,
Jon Yoshimura
I responded that
Greetings Jon:
Well Mr. Yoshimura, perhaps you are correct.
I just wonder why President-elect Obama would rather spend considerable sums of money in court, rather than produce the documents that would settle this matter.
He is creating ill will and suspicions unnecessarily and might take office with a dark cloud over his administration. There is no good reason to do this.
Robert Stevens
To which he replied
I agree. He should put this matter to rest.
And therein lies the crux of the matter; the lynchpin. It is not that the AOL informal survey is so compelling or that Senate Resolution 511 contains earth-shattering revelations. It is not that the paternal Grandmother's account is so convincing and her story might not be the result of mis-translation, or confusion, or faulty memory, or senility, or any number of other potential explanations. It is not that the reports of the forensic document experts are completely damning. It is not that the apparent inconsistencies on Obama's Selective Service Registration form could not be explained away. It is not that there might not be some reasonable justification for Obama not releasing his college and law school records. And so on and so forth.
It is the sum total of all these issues, coupled with one VERY IMPORTANT inconsistency in this entire account:
When Berg called Obama's bluff, Obama did not resolve the controversy quickly and cheaply and easily. And when others have piled on, and things have become even more suspicious, with more lawsuits, Obama has not made all these challenges go away, which Obama could very easily if what Obama has maintained all along is correct.
The tone of the discussion has become more strident. The amount of speculation has increased. The rumors have spread further and further.
And all because Obama did not take all the air out of this months ago.
You have to ask yourself, why?
I did a title and a couple of other searches for this article and did not find it.
Some of the discussion from that website is interesting, especially from Mario Apuzzo:
Mario Apuzzo, Esq. says:4 days ago, 3:40:05 PM“Bob:
Do not let anyone throw you off track by arguing what the Senate resolution says or does not say. That is not the issue and Obama defenders just love to argue anything but what the real issues are-where is the sufficient and credible proof that Obama was born in Hawaii and is he a “natural born Citizen.” In any event, the Resolution says what it says and the legal analysis that goes with it is the same. I commented on the legal analysis on a prior comment and have a more involved discussion of it at my blog http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2008/12/regarding-
senate-resolution-511.html. I know that you are too savvy to fall for such tactics. I am offering this post so that others may see it any be guided accordingly.
Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
Mario Apuzzo, Esq. replies:3 days ago, 5:17:23 PM“I heard about so many different entities being responsible for vetting Obama. I did not see or hear anyone say that the military can do it. After all, the military is part and parcel of WE THE PEOPLE. Well, I propose to let the military vet Obama. Let him set up an appointment with leaders of our military at which he can prove to our military that he is a “natural born Citizen” so that he can legitimately lead them as their Commander in Chief as John Jay requested. Send this message to all our “courageous” political leaders who swore to uphold the Constitution.
Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;
Obama was a cosponsor of the bill and he inserted this line. Now keep in mind. This was a resolution specific to John McCain. There was no need for that line to be inserted, unless of course he was trying to use it as "cover" for himself. If you read the resolution without that line, it has the same effect, so that line was superfluous
Obama had a little help from Claire McCaskill from MO in adding that line. Wonder what position she’s hoping for in the administration.
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html
They cite an AOL Poll that used the same “methodology” as an AOL Poll that showed McCain beating Obama 63% to 37%.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2092013/posts
Obama was a cosponsor of the bill and he inserted this line. Now keep in mind. This was a resolution specific to John McCain. There was no need for that line to be inserted, unless of course he was trying to use it as "cover" for himself.
Huh? That was the whole point of the resolution. Ignorant folks were doubting McCain's eligibility because he was born outside the United States. So, the hundred dumbest took it upon themselves to set the country straight.
The Republican governor of Hawaii has failed to denounce Obama's CoLB. Therefore, it's either valid or she's one stupid ----! If it's valid, then Obama's eligible, no question, by the authority of the Fourteenth, interpreted in US v Wong Kim Ark. If not, then the McCain resolution (a) doesn't have the force of law and (b) wouldn't apply to Obama's case, given one of his parents was clearly not American!
Another thread about the Birth Certificate. Did the other papers get released last night on that talk show????? I have not seen much about it since that one teaser page.
No more methodology!
No more parsing of word!
No more dissection of text!
WTF? is this becoming an EMO thing?
HE IS or HE IS NOT!
Link does not work!!!
Mis-characterization of the Resolution. It merely states that those born outside the US to citizen parents are natural-born citizens (a debatable proposition, BTW, according to common law and past Supreme Court decisions).
It does not comment at all on whether a person born in the US is a natural-born citizen regardless of parentage. 14th Amendment and several SC decisions indicate this is the case.
It may have been "the point", but it was not what the resolution concluded. The resolution was to establish that John McCain was a natural born citizen. The last line :
Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
It does not say "and is therefore eligible to run for President" Of course that is implied being a natural born citizen, which proves my point that the line that Obama inserted was not needed. The first line of the resolution already covered what was needed :
Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ of the United States;
It doesn't matter at all in determining if John McCain was a natural born citizen by what other Presidential candidates statuses were. That line could have been left out and it would not have changed the intent of the resolution one bit.
The Republican governor of Hawaii has failed to denounce Obama's CoLB. Therefore, it's either valid or she's one stupid ----! If it's valid, then Obama's eligible, no question, by the authority of the Fourteenth, interpreted in US v Wong Kim Ark. If not, then the McCain resolution (a) doesn't have the force of law and (b) wouldn't apply to Obama's case, given one of his parents was clearly not American!
Well first of all, I wouldn't rule out her being one stupid ----. But just because she hasn't denounced the COLB , doesn't mean it is valid. According to the law, no government official ( and that includes the governor ) can reveal what is a persons BC without a court order. To do so would be breaking the law. So she can't come out and say 'Yes, we have his original BC on record, but it is from Kenya " because that would be revealing what was in the record and would thus be breaking the law.
And once again. Senate Resolutions are meaningless. They have no force of law. They are used to show the "sense" of the Senate. But most people are ignorant of that fact ( which is what Senators count on ) and think that it is a law.
http://www.plainsradio.com/obama1.html?ChallengeResponse=noobama2009 (Here are the divorce papers ... fizzzzle.)
Obama And That Other Ponzi Scheme
President-elect’s name may emerge in Norman Hsu fraud trial
DECEMBER 31—As if being linked to one high-profile criminal case weren’t enough, President-elect Barack Obama’s name may soon pop up in another federal prosecution, this one involving a massive Ponzi scheme (no, the other massive Ponzi scheme). In addition to the Rod Blagojevich pay-for-play probe, Obama could figure in the upcoming fraud trial of Norman Hsu, the disgraced Democratic fundraiser who was charged last year with operating a $60 million pyramid scheme. According to investigators, Hsu, a major Hillary Clinton fundraiser, pressured investors to donate money to political candidates with whom he was aligned. In a letter last week to U.S. District Court Judge Victor Marrero, Hsu’s lawyer, Martin Cohen, requested a 60-day delay in the start of Hsu’s trial, scheduled to open January 12 (Cohen cited the “extraordinary level of negative publicity” generated by the recent arrest of alleged Ponzi schemer Bernard Madoff). In his December 22 letter, a copy of which you’ll find below, Cohen also noted that Hsu was already “notorious for his political activities” and that it was “inevitable” that his client’s “connections” to Bill and Hillary Clinton “and other democratic notables—including perhaps the president-elect—will be introduced at trial.” Before becoming a key fundraiser for Hillary Clinton’s presidential bid, Hsu co-hosted a 2005 California fundraiser for Obama’s political action committee and introduced the Illinois Democrat to Marc Gorenberg, a Silicon Valley venture capitalist who later joined the Obama campaign’s national finance committee. Prosecutors allege that Hsu directed his investors to donate money to specific candidates, and then reimbursed them in violation of federal campaign laws. Unswayed by Cohen’s argument, Marrero declined to delay the trial, which will begin a week before Obama’s inauguration. (6 pages)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1231082hsu1.html
I believe that Orly was taken to task for this little slip in the comments on her blog, but it is difficult to tell if that was the same issue.
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2008/12/regarding-senate-resolution-511.html
Looks like there was an extra space in the URL
I haven’t been following that talk show thing closely — too much hype, too little information.
Note that a few of those previous presidential candidates born outside the US were communists. Only one president (prior to the grandfathering in) was born under a cloud — Chester Arthur, who seems to have gone to great lengths to hide his problem. Sound familiar?
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