Posted on 02/20/2009 2:58:53 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
Darwinism as Religion in a Holy War
Feb 19, 2009 — It might be expected that media attention on Darwin would be exceptionally high this month because of his bicentennial, but some of it seems downright religious. The adulation he has been receiving is almost embarrassing sometimes. It is only exceeded by the righteous indignation frequently expressed against intelligent design. In any other context, the fighting words of the Darwinians would be described as hate speech. Here are some recent examples:
1. Shrine to Darwin:...
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Lastly, if you please, while being The Buster Of Chops and Destroyer of Young Worlds make your best argument. Too many times these discussions turn into petty face slapping contests that are embarrassing to see let alone join.
I'd rather respect the chops busters than like them.
Which of those assumptions will you not make, or reject any argument that relies on?
This one: “Implicitly, everyone.”
And who have I portrayed or said they were an atheist because they don’t agree with my views?
Implicitly, everyone.
The following is your assumption or whatever, you explain it:
““Ateheism” = “Materilaistic Darwinsm” = “Darwinism” = ToE = “non-literal interpretation of Genesis”.
Then go back to your holy war, pretending it isn’t one.
Yes, yes,......thank you for your permission and projection.
There are no shades of gray, it a "with us or against us" proposition, and the dividing line is belief creation, according to the Book of Genesis, and disbelief that evolution can or did happen. Everyone on the other side of that line gets counted among the atheists.
And the only answer you have to that assesment amounts to the equivalent of playground taunts of "I know you are, but what am I?"
“Then go back to your holy war, pretending it isn’t one”
permission and projection
either I consider it a war or i don’t, or is this more tactical illogic?
I’m a practicing Catholic,conservative and believe in evolution. Like millions. So I’m calling BS on you’re post.
If you considered it a war, and it looked to be to your advantage in fighting that war in the arena of public opinion to make it appear that it's actually only the other side that thinks it'a a war, would you do that?
Don’t be silly, you’re asking if I would engage in dishonesty or deceitful hypocrisy.
You keep making outlandish comments and when called on them simply take a few minutes to think up another.
“By your own account it’s a war of ideas”.
Of course it is, I haven’t read of Darwinists being shot down in their temple.
“If you considered it a war,...”
What’s with the “if”? We’ve already agreed that I do and you have right there in front of you all my comments and all your comments too just like I do.
Misinformation and propaganda is part and parcel of any war.
A truism but what has that to do with your question?
If you really do consider it a war, then whatever truth there is in that truism pertains to that question.
If you really do consider it a war, then whatever you have to say on the subject needs to be viewed as being said under the rules of engagement of war.
Sorry, No one elected you to set rules or appreciations of what is said.
And I know I certainly don’t comment according to any frame work of “rules of engagement” you want to apply.
So take the stars off your collar, a general you ain’t.
But if there is some larger point you have to make, now is not too soon.
==I’m a practicing Catholic,conservative and believe in evolution.
I never said you can’t be a practicing Catholic or a conservative if you believe in evolution. Likewise, nobody can say you can’t be both if you believe in a straightforward reading of Creation Week. The issue here is what God’s Word teaches us about origins.
The point's been made, and stands.
I don't have to make the rules of engagement to know that those rules are different in a civil disagreement than they are in a declared war.
I'm just taking things in context.
In any event, I'll continue to defend the truth of the Scriptures against the attacks of Darwinism, whatever the description.
Lastly, if you please, while being The Buster Of Chops and Destroyer of Young Worlds make your best argument. Too many times these discussions turn into petty face slapping contests that are embarrassing to see let alone join.
I'd rather respect the chops busters than like them.
I hear you. I agree respect is hard to do, especially in a crowd. I'm not knocking ANYONE on this board when I say this, but I'm from the South and things are always tense down here. I don't agree with the libtard idea of these words, but down here there is a level of racism, sexism, and religious bigotry by EVERYONE. I have on many occasions tried to play fair with everyone's ideas and on many occasion get my head chopped of by BOTH sides.
So I understand your frustration, however I always try to hold the debate to CONSISTENCY. I do see religious people go overboard, but what I see just as often is nonreligious people trying to use Science to disprove Faith. I'm not saying that Science can't disprove Faith, but ultimately, Science is not as effective in the Spiritual realm as Philosophy. I don't see the point of an evolutionist (atheist, agnostic, Christian, etc.) trying to argue against the Bible. It makes no sense, because we are talking about a realm that cannot be observed by the human eye. Theology is born and reasoned in the mind and in the soul.
I know a lot of evolutionists are very educated men. They understand the sciences far more than I ever will, but I find that they are, at least, moderately inconsistent in how they view evolution. They will disagree on some very important points of evolution, to me, this shows the weakness of evolutionary theory. No I don't think Creationists are always accurate in their attacks on evolutionists, I think, in part, because of it's inconsistencies. They are often shouted down as insane religious idiots. A lot of hate is on both sides. Two things I would ask any materialist/atheist is
1. If the Trinitarian Orthodox Christian God of The Bible could be proven by science, would you accept Him as your Lord and Master? I venture that most would give a resounding NO!.
2. If all that is in the universe is cold atoms and naked biology, then why do you feel something called Love when you go home to your wife and kids at night?
There are just some things that Science cannot explain, and I wish we were all honest enough to acknowledge this. God made it so we can neither prove Him nor disprove Him with Science alone. The entire human experience must be taken into account. God wants humans to accept Him based on an approving love of Him. He will often not give overwhelming signs, wonders and experiences, and He will not remove all doubt. There will always be doubt on both sides.
I can't explain what came before God, why He didn't created Himself, and many other things about God. But I understand in a finite universe, there must be a First Cause. From there, the events of my life and the spiritual dimension I sense within my mind, body, and soul are just more pieces of the incomplete puzzle that makes up my Faith. I am not an infinite being, so my judgments are flawed. But from what I know, God exists and what I do will effect me for all eternity. (Yes I meant effect, because I am what I do.)
I often think of Pascal's Wager. He makes the challenge that if He is correct that God exists, he has everything to lose for not believing in Him. On the other hand, if God does not exist, what is to lose but a few meaningless years on earth followed by nothing. I tend to agree with Arthur Schopenhauer on this one: not pleasure, but freedom from pain, is what the wise man will aim at. I'm not saying that is always consistent in my life. Very often it is not, but ultimately, this is the choice I make. This choice is so personal that Science cannot even come close to touching.
I'm ASSUMING by conservative you mean that you believe the Bible is the perfect Word of God. That being said, how long did it take God to create Light?
The point of the article was that Darwin is like a religious figure to evolutionists, and if you read the piece, I don't see how you would disagree with that.
Okay, it’s time to reveal my identity I’m the manifestation of tens of millions Of centuries of sexual selection, best believe I’m the best of the best of the best of the best Of generations of competitive pressure genetically But don’t get upset, ’cause we’ve got the same pedigree You and I will find a common ancestor eventually If we rewind geological time regressively And I could say the same for this hibiscus tree And this lizard and the flea and this sesame seed.
FEWWWWWWWEEE. Is that primordial fish I smell?
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