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Obama's Illinois Driver's License Abstract
Article 2, Sect 1, Clause 5 (Natural Born Citizen) ^ | 2/21/09 | RR

Posted on 02/21/2009 2:58:50 PM PST by BP2


There’s a bit of a mystery that may not have been brought up before regarding Obama’s Illinois driver’s license record.

This is BHO’s Illinois driver’s license abstract:



In addition to showing Obama’s Illinois driver’s license number, O150-0686-1221-0, it does show a clean record.

But what’s with the “Cont. Lic. Date” of 8-19-96? The date seems to be when he first applied for his Illinois Driver’s License, which he held consistently through its expiration date of 8-4-08.

Some background:
Obama first moved to Chicago in 1985 and may have used some mass transit occasionally as a Community Organizer. Obama began attending Harvard Law School in fall 1988. In 1989, he worked briefly at the Sidley Austin Law Firm in Chicago, as a summer associate from Harvard, where he met Michelle. They had a "long distance relationship" until he graduated from Harvard in May 1991. Obama returned to be the Illinois head of "Project Vote" (affiliated with "ACORN") while Michelle is hired as a Chicago mayoral assistant. On Dec. 17, 1991, Obama is admitted to the Illinois Bar. Obama and Michelle married Oct. 3, 1992.

BHO definitely owned and drove a car while wooing Michelle in Chicago between summer 1989 and October 1992. THIS is from the “60 Minutes” interview last year, while they were reminiscing of their early years together:

Kroft: It is one bedroom? Studio?
Mr. Obama: Yeah, it was sort of a one bedroom. It had kind of the vintage, college dorm, pizza…
Kroft: Community organizer, right?, feel to it.
Michelle Obama: It reminded me of a little better version of the apartment you were in when we first started dating. That was a dump too.
Mr. Obama: Right near Harold's Chicken Shack.
Michelle Obama: Yeah.
Mr. Obama: Yeah. That's when I had the car with the-the hole in it.
Michelle Obama: And you could see the sidewalk, because the rust had gone through.
Mr. Obama: The air-conditioning.
Michelle Obama: So that was my side. I would look and see the ground going past. And I still married him.


One consideration might be that he let his Illinois driver’s license lapse while he was at Harvard from Fall 1988 to May 1991. In 2007, to clean his record for his presidential run, Obama paid for
17 parking tickets he received between Oct. 5, 1988 and Jan. 12, 1990. However, it is unknown if he had a Massachusetts drivers license during that time. It’s more likely that he kept his Illinois drivers license and drove his rusty car back and forth 1000 miles, nearly 16 hours, between Harvard and Chicago when visiting Michelle (see Obama finally pays local parking ticket).

Regardless, it’s unlikely he neither owned nor drove a car in Illinois for five years after returning to Chicago in mid-1991 (post-Harvard) until the date on the Illinois driver’s license abstract of Aug 19, 1996.

So why the 1996 date, just months before his first run (and win) as an Illinois State Senator with the socialist New Party in November 1996?



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1 posted on 02/21/2009 2:58:50 PM PST by BP2
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To: Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; ...

- ping -
2 posted on 02/21/2009 2:59:51 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

nothing to see here . . . move along, move along.


3 posted on 02/21/2009 3:01:32 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: BP2

Perhaps there was a different name he used before 1996 for his Illinois driver’s license...


4 posted on 02/21/2009 3:03:08 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Aggghhhhhhh MY EYES... all that boldface! Don’t SHOUT! :)


In addition to showing Obama’s Illinois driver’s license number, O150-0686-1221-0, it does show a clean record.

But what’s with the “Cont. Lic. Date” of 8-19-96? The date seems to be when he first applied for his Illinois Driver’s License, which he held consistently through its expiration date of 8-4-08.

Some background:
Obama first moved to Chicago in 1985 and may have used some mass transit occasionally as a Community Organizer. Obama began attending Harvard Law School in fall 1988. In 1989, he worked briefly at the Sidley Austin Law Firm in Chicago, as a summer associate from Harvard, where he met Michelle. They had a “long distance relationship” until he graduated from Harvard in May 1991. Obama returned to be the Illinois head of “Project Vote” (affiliated with “ACORN”) while Michelle is hired as a Chicago mayoral assistant. On Dec. 17, 1991, Obama is admitted to the Illinois Bar. Obama and Michelle married Oct. 3, 1992.

BHO definitely owned and drove a car while wooing Michelle in Chicago between summer 1989 and October 1992. THIS is from the “60 Minutes” interview last year, while they were reminiscing of their early years together:

Kroft: It is one bedroom? Studio?
Mr. Obama: Yeah, it was sort of a one bedroom. It had kind of the vintage, college dorm, pizza…
Kroft: Community organizer, right?, feel to it.
Michelle Obama: It reminded me of a little better version of the apartment you were in when we first started dating. That was a dump too.
Mr. Obama: Right near Harold’s Chicken Shack.
Michelle Obama: Yeah.
Mr. Obama: Yeah. That’s when I had the car with the-the hole in it.
Michelle Obama: And you could see the sidewalk, because the rust had gone through.
Mr. Obama: The air-conditioning.
Michelle Obama: So that was my side. I would look and see the ground going past. And I still married him.

One consideration might be that he let his Illinois driver’s license lapse while he was at Harvard from Fall 1988 to May 1991. In 2007, to clean his record for his presidential run, Obama paid for 17 parking tickets he received between Oct. 5, 1988 and Jan. 12, 1990. However, it is unknown if he had a Massachusetts drivers license during that time. It’s more likely that he kept his Illinois drivers license and drove his rusty car back and forth 1000 miles, nearly 16 hours, between Harvard and Chicago when visiting Michelle (see Obama finally pays local parking ticket).

Regardless, it’s unlikely he neither owned nor drove a car in Illinois for five years after returning to Chicago in mid-1991 (post-Harvard) until the date on the Illinois driver’s license abstract of Aug 19, 1996.

So why the 1996 date, just months before his first run (and win) as an Illinois State Senator with the socialist New Party in November 1996?


5 posted on 02/21/2009 3:04:43 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: BP2

Simple really Obama has a history of getting new documents before an election to hide those things he doesn’t want known about him.

Certificate of Live Birth 2007
Marriage certificate 2004 and again in 2007
Drivers license 1996

Personally I’m surprised it didn’t say 2007.


6 posted on 02/21/2009 3:06:19 PM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: BP2
By the way...

You ask a lot of questions.
You have been frequenting some websites which concern your local law enforcement authorities.

Would you mind stopping by the local police station a little later, we would like to have a little chat with you.

Bring a toothbrush.
:) </s>


7 posted on 02/21/2009 3:10:05 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: BP2

Obama Defends Driver’s Licenses for Illegals


8 posted on 02/21/2009 3:10:28 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: BP2
Does Illinois require a birth certificate when one applies for a driver's license?
9 posted on 02/21/2009 3:17:26 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Yes. This is the link http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/drivers/drivers_license/acceptable_id.html


10 posted on 02/21/2009 3:27:14 PM PST by morans14
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To: BP2

Thanks BP2.


11 posted on 02/21/2009 3:31:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: BP2

Thank you . . .


12 posted on 02/21/2009 3:35:59 PM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: BP2

Aybody do a search in Illinois Driver Base for Barry Soetoro??? and also New York State due to at least 4 years at Columbia??


13 posted on 02/21/2009 3:36:23 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Great President George W. Bush)
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To: True Republican Patriot

MY GUESS — he may have had a DIFFERENT name on his “original” Illinois Driver’s Record BEFORE he applied for and had THIS license issued to him.

IF he had an older, original Illinois driver’s license from the mid-80’s (post-Columbia Univ.) with a DIFFERENT name on it, he could have made it “go away” by applying for a NEW license with his CURRENT name on it.

I could see him doing this to “legitimize” himself before running for his first public office.


14 posted on 02/21/2009 3:40:02 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: All

wasn’t there also some question about him never registering for possible military service until he was in his 30’s or 40’s? I was always under the impression you could never be a govt. employee if you didn’t send im that info when you were eighteen?


15 posted on 02/21/2009 3:55:27 PM PST by uncle fenders
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To: BP2

BINGO! We have a winner.

Barry Soertoro perhaps.


16 posted on 02/21/2009 3:56:01 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: BP2

What’s with the “issue” date?


17 posted on 02/21/2009 3:56:35 PM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Bon mots

18 posted on 02/21/2009 4:08:58 PM PST by A. Morgan (Every night I pray that Rezko and Blago roll over on Obama!)
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To: True Republican Patriot

He started at some small college in California (Occidental, maybe?)...if he went to Columbia for 4 years, he didn’t have to...


19 posted on 02/21/2009 4:25:29 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: All

How come it’s only good for 2 years and six months?

OT: FYI, in case you missed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlTgrMCxPg

Discussing the case, debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXgcB2NzPgE&feature=related


20 posted on 02/21/2009 4:57:35 PM PST by AliVeritas (And while the rest of the nation was still sleepin', they'll be bidding America goodbye.)
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To: BP2; AliVeritas; Chief Engineer

thanks BP2.

Chief, need to find a previous driving licence for an invisible man, can you help?

and thank you for the video links, Ali.

OBAMA IS A RADICAL COMMUNIST:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUAYNlcZa_w&NR=1


21 posted on 02/21/2009 7:50:46 PM PST by Fred Nerks (We've got to get him out of that White House!)
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To: True Republican Patriot

Jr only went to Columbia for 2 years, having gone to Oxy for two years before that. He did continue to live in NYC for two years after he graduated from Columbia, working first for BIC(salary of $15,000/yr) then at the NYCPIRG.(salary at PIRG of less than $10,000/yr)He did have a license when he went to Chicago to rabble rouse as his salary included an old Honda and a gas allowance.(salary of $12,000/yr plus $3,000 for transportation)


22 posted on 02/21/2009 8:04:24 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: AliVeritas

Driver’s licenses in Illinois are good for a three year period to be renewed on the applicant’s birthday. If the license is applied for six months after a birthday it still is only good until the birthday in the third year.
Also Jr had some type of license when he was at Harvard and it was obviously in the name Barack Hussein Obama in order for all the tickets to appear in that name.


23 posted on 02/21/2009 8:08:48 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: Fred Nerks

While off doing that research I told you about I did bookmark a link from Hawaii regarding name changes. Reading through it I did find statutes detailing how a name change can be made and it makes me wonder even more if a court action took place while Sr was visiting in HI in 1971. I will post it here for all to peruse.

http://www.namechangelaw.com/states/hi/hawaii.htm


24 posted on 02/21/2009 8:17:42 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: Texas Fossil

“BINGO! We have a winner.

Barry Soertoro perhaps.”

I second (well, third) the notion.


25 posted on 02/21/2009 9:38:03 PM PST by BonRad (As Rome goes so goes the world)
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To: Chief Engineer; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; ...
Yes, it does make sense something like a name change or some other court action occurred in December 1971 when Obama Sr came to Hawaii, just when Ann and Obama Jr seem to be in town.

I've long though it was odd that Obama Sr, who hadn't really met Obama Jr in the 10 years since his birth, flew nearly 11,000 miles from Kenya to Hawaii for a 10-year class reunion Univ of Hawaii. Obama Sr had graduated from U of HA in May or June of 1962, 9 1/2 years earlier. Coincidentally, that's just when Ann briefly traveled to Hawaii with Obama Jr from her home in Jakarta with Lolo. She just happened to be there in Dec 1971 while Obama Sr was there. Ann was there to drop off Obama Jr to stay with his grandparents while he attended school in Hawaii away from his mom, step-father and baby sister Maya. Or perhaps, Lolo was there in Hawaii after all during that time to sign paperwork ... who knows.

The Indonesian school records seem to indicate Obama Jr had already been adopted by Lolo Soetoro in 1966 or so.

It was "decided" that Obama Jr would live with his grandparents in Dec 1971. The marriage between Ann and Lolo doesn't seem to fully hit the skids yet based upon Ann's statement on the 1980 divorce request: "husband and wife are not legally separated but have lived apart by mutual consent since Aug 1974."

So, an American (Hawaii) adoption or Obama Jr by Lolo, who was an Indonesian with a name change involved to Barry Soetoro, seems like a very likely scenario. Of course, we don't know that for sure since the Obama Jr/Barry Soetoro is not specifically named on the 1980 Divorce request other than as "1 child above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education."

26 posted on 02/21/2009 10:05:49 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BonRad

In theory, BHO should have had 5 drivers licenses: HI, CA, IL, NY, MA -- all the states he lived in. I think that HI and CA are surer bets since we now know of the Illinois licence number. The chances are fair that his legal name was Barry Soetoro or Barry Obama in California at least:

A consideration: some of those states may also require a COLB to establish the driver's license. IF any of the states retained a copy of the COLB Long Form in their records BEFORE November 2001, when Hawaii began using the CertifcaTION of Live Birth, a FOIA request might shake a copy of BHO's Long Form loose...

27 posted on 02/21/2009 10:18:24 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

This may just be me, but BHO Jr and Sr don’t look one d*mn thing alike.


28 posted on 02/21/2009 10:21:21 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (This disaster brought to you by the failed Obama administration.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Slings, you're not the only one to make that observation...


29 posted on 02/21/2009 10:52:02 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Just a little note to add to your investigation.

I moved to Hawaii back in ‘69 from Washington state. Got a Hawaiian DL just by showing my WA DL. Just filled out the paperwork while living on The Big Island and got the license in the mail. No birth certificate required back then.


30 posted on 02/21/2009 11:02:35 PM PST by Diver Dave
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To: BP2

The ironic part of all this is that, if our suspicions are correct, Zer0 may be natural-born citizen after all.


31 posted on 02/21/2009 11:33:33 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (This disaster brought to you by the failed Obama administration.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I think his father is Frank Marshall Davis


32 posted on 02/21/2009 11:44:55 PM PST by mojitojoe (None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I think his father is Davis and he was born in Canada. She was going to give him up for adoption, then changed her mind. Sr. was the cover up for Davis. That’s my theory.


33 posted on 02/21/2009 11:47:56 PM PST by mojitojoe (None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Also Sr. was really short.


34 posted on 02/21/2009 11:49:23 PM PST by mojitojoe (None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

There is always the possibility he was born in Hawaii. However....

Since a person cannot witness their own birth, we turn to others to be witnesses. I see no witness on Obama’s birth certificate.

But because none of the hospitals seem have records of he or his mother being admitted, and the intensity that he and his attorneys are fighting the simplest of subpoenas and requests for information, there’s more to all of this than a simple “right to privacy.”


35 posted on 02/22/2009 12:57:26 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2
Another strong indicator of an adoption was Obama’s Indonesian schooling.

Indonesian state schools were restricted to citizens of Indonesia.

When he fist arrived in Jakarta, he attended the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School (registration document above). The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy's religion as Islam.

Despite the document identifying Barry as an "Indonesian citizen," he probably had not yet been adopted by Lolo, and was obligated to attend an expensive private school.

It was his transfer to the Besuki Primary School, a state school that is the best indicator that Barry was adopted by Lolo. As an Indonesian citizen, was then enrolled in the state school.

It is my understanding, that if Barry was adopted by Lolo, he became a citizen of Indonesia. He would then have had six months from the date of his 18th birthday to assert his American citizenship.

His 18th birthday would have been August 4th, 1979. He entered Occidental College the next month.

Now, if Obama’s Occidental College records show Barry Obama to have registered as an Indonesian, we got him by the shorts.

Obama’s high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys, led by Fredric Woocher, “Southern California Super Lawyer, 2009,” was representing Obama in his effort to keep his Occidental College records concealed from the public. Woocher has suggested there should be “monetary sanctions” against lawyers who have brought complaints against Obama.

36 posted on 02/22/2009 2:07:59 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Chief Engineer

He also had a driver’s license while he attended Harvard Law School.

During the campaign, Obama began the process of cleaning up his loose ends by paying $400 in parking tickets to Cambridge and $71 in excise taxes to Somerville for fines and taxes incurred while he was living in Massachusetts and attending Harvard Law School during the early 1980’s.

Obama’s operatives paid 17 outstanding tickets in Cambridge for a vehicle with Illinois plates.

If he paid excise taxes, he had a vehicle registered in Massachusetts.

This also Demonstrates how Democratic politicians help each other. The two cities waved the penalties and fees on the 17 year old tax bill, which I can tell you from personal experience, are considerable.


37 posted on 02/22/2009 2:18:56 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: BP2
As usual any effort to figure out the maze that is Ozero usually winds up creating an even bigger maze. You gotta wonder if all this is coincidence or a well thought out ruse to keep this guy in play for as long as possible before the eventual truth comes out.
Fortunately for us when rats tell lies it always opens them up to being caught.
Sooner or sooner they are.
38 posted on 02/22/2009 4:07:59 AM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: BP2
Just ignore anyone who chastises you for your endeavors. To think that investigating a Manchurian who is slowly trying to destroy our way of life is a waste of time is rather arrogant itself, IMHO.
39 posted on 02/22/2009 4:10:14 AM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: BP2

How sad that a man travels 10,000 miles for a reunion with his classmates and only manages to see his son in an airport.


40 posted on 02/22/2009 5:39:46 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: BP2

I think that if we dig long enough and deep enough, “Barry Soetoro” (B.S.)will show up in a record somewhere else. It would be a bit unlikely that every single piece of info for BS has been found and thoroughly scrubbed.


41 posted on 02/22/2009 7:09:21 AM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: BP2
But because none of the hospitals seem have records of he or his mother being admitted, and the intensity that he and his attorneys are fighting the simplest of subpoenas and requests for information, there’s more to all of this than a simple “right to privacy.”

No doubt. The question is what. I have a sneaking suspicion that the truth will be weirder than anything we've imagined.

42 posted on 02/22/2009 7:17:47 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (This disaster brought to you by the failed Obama administration.)
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To: justiceseeker93; flat; SouthTexas; celtic gal; BossLady; ladyvet; unkus; gonzo; oswegodeee; ...

PING


43 posted on 02/22/2009 7:35:13 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Illegals don’t need no steenkin’ drivers license!


44 posted on 02/22/2009 7:45:03 AM PST by SouthTexas (Can I have my house back that I lost in the 80s????)
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To: BP2

parking tickets generally do not appear on the record since they follow the car not the driver. They only appear if unpaid tickets suspend the license.

This is not an unusual record formate for someone without a ticket.

Typical of Judges who don’t get tickets unless they are really big jerks caught on camera.

Cops who get “professional courtesy”

Elected “do you know who I am” political officials.


45 posted on 02/22/2009 7:46:02 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; ...
Yes, even the most well-planned cover-up always has loose ends. They have definitely been trying to clean his record. For example, I KNOW that BHO and his “team” started “interviewing” State SOSs back in 2006 to see if any would give them “problems” leading up through the vetting process.

I spoke to the PI who found the ‘64 divorce papers back in late-December. He told me that the case had been re-indexed and definitely looked like it had been tampered with — he said he was very “lucky” to have found it at all.

The only reason that we have what we have is that those items: the Illinois driving record, property tax info, the divorce decrees, Ann's school records, etc — are that those records are PUBLIC RECORD.

In Hawaii, for example, Divorces are Public Record — Birth and Marriage certificates are not. BUT different states have different rules on what they can release.

The key IMO, short of court-ordered subpoenas, will be to scour what is in Public Record and/or can be requested through normal means (like the Illinois driver's license) or through FOIA requests.

46 posted on 02/22/2009 8:10:59 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Thanks, BP2

Ping.


47 posted on 02/22/2009 8:15:18 AM PST by Iowan
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To: Beckwith

1. David Berkowitz - The Son of Sam:

Berkowitz was eventually caught after receiving a parking ticket at the time and near the place of the Moskowitz murder. That evidence along with letters he wrote to Carr and the Cassaras..............

You never know what a parking ticket can lead to.

2. You can possess more that one D.L. at any given time. You just have to be careful which one you use in any given state.


48 posted on 02/22/2009 8:21:58 AM PST by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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To: BP2

The key IMO, short of court-ordered subpoenas, will be to scour what is in Public Record and/or can be requested through normal means (like the Illinois driver’s license) or through FOIA requests.

***How long does it take to get an answer to a FOIA request?

Each day he remains in office is bad news for our country. He’s only been “in office” for a month and look at what he’s done.

Time is not on our side...Thank you for working on this for us.


49 posted on 02/22/2009 8:23:27 AM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: BP2

.......his “team” started “interviewing” State SOSs back in 2006...BUT different states have different rules on what they can release....or through FOIA requests.


So, how about a flanking movement!? Request minutes of meetings of SOSs, & their staff, emails , phone logs, etc.


50 posted on 02/22/2009 8:31:00 AM PST by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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