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Hood not so good? Ancient Brits questioned outlaw
PeoplePC Online ^ | Saturday, March 14, 2009 | Staff

Posted on 03/14/2009 11:16:04 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20

LONDON - A British academic says he's found proof that Britain's legendary outlaw Robin Hood wasn't as popular with the poor as folklore suggests.

Julian Luxford says a newly found note in the margins of an ancient history book contains rare criticism of the supposedly benevolent bandit.

According to legend, Hood roamed 13th-century Britain from a base in central England's Sherwood Forest, plundering from the rich to give to the poor.

But Luxford, an art history lecturer at the University of St. Andrews, in Fife, Scotland, says a 23-word inscription in a history book, written in Latin by a medieval monk around 1460, casts the outlaw as a persistent thief.

"Around this time, according to popular opinion, a certain outlaw named Robin Hood, with his accomplices, infested Sherwood and other law-abiding areas of England with continuous robberies," the note read when translated into English, Luxford said.

Luxford said he found the entry while searching through the library of England's prestigious Eton College, which was founded in 1440 by King Henry VI.

"The new find contains a uniquely negative assessment of the outlaw, and provides rare evidence for monastic attitudes towards him," Luxford said in a statement about his find issued on Friday.

He said the note about Hood - uncovered in the margin of the "Polychronicon," a history book which dates from the late 1340s - may be the earliest written reference to the outlaw.

First mentions of Hood, depicted in Hollywood movies by both Kevin Costner and Errol Flynn, are commonly believed to have been in late 13th-century ballads. Some academics claim the stories refer to several different medieval outlaws, while others believe the tales are pure fantasy.

Luxford said his discovery may put to rest debates in England about exactly where Hood may have lived.

The northern England county of Yorkshire has long claimed Hood was based there, rather than neighboring Nottinghamshire - even naming a local transport hub Robin Hood Airport in tribute.

But folklore has most commonly placed Hood in Sherwood Forest - where he is reputed to hidden from his nemesis, the Sheriff of Nottingham. The forest once spanned 100,000 acres (40,500 hectares) across Nottinghamshire, but has shrunk in modern time to about 450 acres (180 hectares).

"By mentioning Sherwood, it buttresses the hitherto rather thin evidence for a medieval connection between Robin and the Nottinghamshire forest with which he has become so closely associated," Luxford said.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History
KEYWORDS: england; forstofnottingham; godsgravesglyphs; kingjohn; nottingham; nottinghamgaol; richardthelionheart; robingoodfellow; robinhood; sheriffofnottingham; thegreenman; unitedkingdom; wales; yorkshire
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In view of the undoubted attitude of the Church of that time, which Robin repurtedly robed as frequently as he robbed anyone else, I'm not so sure historians should put much credence in that marginal note made by a monk; he just may have been a bit biased in his opinion.
1 posted on 03/14/2009 11:16:05 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20

600 years is “ancient”....?!


2 posted on 03/14/2009 11:20:04 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

I agree. The church and the government taxed the people into submission. Robin re-appropriated taxes.


3 posted on 03/14/2009 11:20:36 AM PDT by D Rider
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The church and the government

Difficult to make a distinction between the two, even after Henry VIII's kerfluffle with Rome. The Anglicans just picked up where the "papists" left off, after warring back and forth for a while. Seems like our own founding fathers took issue with this, themselves.

4 posted on 03/14/2009 11:23:54 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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"Difficult to make a distinction between the two..."

Absolutely.

5 posted on 03/14/2009 11:28:38 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: D Rider

If only they had borrowed and spent the money first, it wouldn’t have been as easy to reappropriate the money, since innocent third parties like lenders were now going to be hurt.


6 posted on 03/14/2009 11:29:26 AM PDT by DannyTN (Impeach and Deport)
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>”Around this time, according to popular opinion, a certain outlaw named Robin Hood, with his accomplices, infested Sherwood and other law-abiding areas of England with continuous robberies,”

Actually that really doesn’t sound too negative. If most of the people were paying, or trying to pay, their taxes then by that definition they are “law abiding”. Also note that there is no mention of the laws being just or unjust.

It sounds very much like a news-snippet. It may or may not have been that he gave the “proceeds” to the poor, but that he robbed is not in question, is it?


7 posted on 03/14/2009 11:30:12 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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If only they had borrowed and spent the money first, it wouldn’t have been as easy to reappropriate the money, since innocent third parties like lenders were now going to be hurt.

Maybe that is why banks and capital based lending were really invented.

8 posted on 03/14/2009 11:57:22 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Let's fix this popular misconception RIGHT NOW.

According to legend, Hood roamed 13th-century Britain from a base in central England's Sherwood Forest, plundering from the rich GOVERNMENT to give to the poor.

9 posted on 03/14/2009 11:57:42 AM PDT by George Smiley (They're not drinking the Kool-Aid any more. They're eating it straight out of the packet.)
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600 years is “ancient”....?!

'taint very recent.

10 posted on 03/14/2009 12:02:49 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (Socialism is a good idea until you run out of other people’s money. Margaret Thatcher)
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Wouldn’t the monk have referred to him as, “Robin of Loxley”?


11 posted on 03/14/2009 12:03:04 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: George Smiley

Exactly. People usually confuse him with “The Highwayman”.


12 posted on 03/14/2009 12:05:33 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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"Maybe that is why banks and capital based lending were really invented."

No, that's just paranoid. If they had been invented in the last 40 years, you might be onto something.

13 posted on 03/14/2009 12:25:34 PM PDT by DannyTN (Impeach and Deport)
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I remember a very anti-Robin Hood monolog in Atlas Shrugged.
14 posted on 03/14/2009 12:41:22 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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I really don’t care about 13th Century HOODlums; I care more about 21st Century HOODlums such as Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Biden, Murtha, et. al.


15 posted on 03/14/2009 12:47:32 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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But Luxford, an art history lecturer at the University of St. Andrews, in Fife, Scotland, says a 23-word inscription in a history book, written in Latin by a medieval monk around 1460, casts the outlaw as a persistent thief.

Assuming it's legit.... One note by one monk two centuries after the fact, and suddenly we have "Ancient Brits questioned outlaw"??

Kinda like taking the rantings of a few researchers, and spinning it into "Scientists agree that global warming will destroy the world."

16 posted on 03/14/2009 12:52:25 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

“Robin” is a nickname for Robert in that time period I think.


17 posted on 03/14/2009 12:54:04 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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No, that's just paranoid.

Yes, but it's funny. I bet somebody with a lot more time on their hands, (and talent,) than I have could develop a conspiracy theory with Knights Templars and Builderbergers in order to subvert the Magna Carta...etc. Probably could write a best selling book like the DaVinci Code or something.

18 posted on 03/14/2009 4:47:09 PM PDT by D Rider
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And your conspiracy would be a lot more believable than something ridiculously simple like...

Kenyan born man runs for president of the U.S., has all his records sealed and wins.

19 posted on 03/14/2009 5:10:12 PM PDT by DannyTN (Impeach and Deport)
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To: Deb
Wouldn’t the monk have referred to him as, “Robin of Loxley”?

"Loxley" is a later (16th Century) addition.

Earliest references are to "Robyn Hode", "Robyn Hude", "Robyn Hood". And possibly one Robert Hod, described as a fugitive, who is mentioned in the York assizes record of 1226.

20 posted on 03/14/2009 7:01:30 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities. - D)
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