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Red Tail Escorts Air Force One Over Lady Liberty & Ground Zero
Perfunction ^ | April 28, 2009 | Mustang 0302

Posted on 04/28/2009 10:29:36 AM PDT by shoptalk

Commenter Mustang 0302 offers the most interesting theory of the day over at Just One Minute:

Connecting some dots, here.

At least one of the escorting F-16s was from the Alabama ANG, Red Tail and all.

Could this photo op mission have any particular connection to A NEW MOVIE due out this year?

Could that connection explain the WHMO's eagerness to get some current glamour shots of BHO's A/C, escorted by the descendants of the Tuskegee Airmen, while flathatting over "the target formerly known as Ground Zero"?

Just imagine the powerful, beautiful imagery of these aircraft during this mission, accompanied by a stirring soundtrack, playing over the closing credits, or released as publicity stills or fundraising fodder - "Yes, America, sleep well...BHO's got you covered."

Well, minus the terrified, fleeing citizens on the ground, of course. Ooops. Caldera, you take this one.

"Mission Accomplished", indeed.

Naw, I'll bet I'm wrong. Coincidences, all...surely.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: af1; airforceone; georgelucas; nycflyover; obama; redtail; redtails; tuskegeeairmen
Red Tail

The *Red Tail* is clearly depicted in NY Post photos

Interesting theory indeed.

1 posted on 04/28/2009 10:29:36 AM PDT by shoptalk
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To: shoptalk
Try this link
2 posted on 04/28/2009 10:33:23 AM PDT by shoptalk (Defend principles, not personalities. Personalities will always break your heart.)
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To: shoptalk

Its not a matter of why it was done. Its a matter of how it was done. It was stupid planning on someones part.


3 posted on 04/28/2009 10:33:43 AM PDT by NavyCanDo (Party like its 1773)
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To: shoptalk

That’s it!

Were this anybody else, I’d say it was preposterous, but this dovetails too perfectly with what we’ve seen these past few months. Yes. It is all for the closing credits of the upcoming Tuskeegee Airmen movie. I’d be happy to put money on it (if I had any money).

The only question is why insufficient notice was given. All it would have taken was public announcement in the local papers, radio and TV the day before and the whole thing would have been a thrilling, rather than terrifying spectacle.


4 posted on 04/28/2009 10:36:35 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: sinanju

it would be a security risk to annouce that far in advance


5 posted on 04/28/2009 10:37:54 AM PDT by edzo4 (NoBama 2012)
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To: NavyCanDo

I think it is very ironic. The people of that city have steadfastly remained oblivious to the consequences of not supporting the War On Terror. In fact, they have steadfastly supported its deniers. For them to be suddenly shaken back to September 11, 2001 in the wake of just electing an Islamic, non-citizen President is karma incarnate. Screw them. I don’t care how ‘scared’ they got.


6 posted on 04/28/2009 10:38:18 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: edzo4

Yes, but nobody but the flight crew was on board.


7 posted on 04/28/2009 10:38:45 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: shoptalk; JimSEA
I opined yesterday in #10.

Okay, JimSEA actually beat me to the "future movie" take in #7 by less than a minute, but it smells like Spike Lee to me. ;-)

8 posted on 04/28/2009 10:39:01 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: NavyCanDo

yup

it was Bushes fault

but believe it now, it the PRES’s fault, your fearless leader- the chosen one- who can make no mistakes

But we should overlook it as one of many already committed which have far greater impact on the security and integrity of America.


9 posted on 04/28/2009 10:39:47 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: shoptalk

Since there is no longer a “War on Terror” it was the Dear Leaders FU to America.

Just the Dear Leaders way of scratching his check with his middle finger.


10 posted on 04/28/2009 10:41:38 AM PDT by Joiseydude (Kate Smith - God Bless America http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCavKL2zdjM GREAT visual interpretatio)
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To: Gaffer

You summed up my feelings quite nicely.

Oh, and LOL!


11 posted on 04/28/2009 10:42:07 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: sinanju
Yes, but nobody but the flight crew was on board.

I heard that there might have been others onboard besides just the crew, like Dear Leader flunkies who might not ever get a chance to fly aboard AirForce 1.

12 posted on 04/28/2009 10:44:55 AM PDT by Joiseydude (Kate Smith - God Bless America http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCavKL2zdjM GREAT visual interpretatio)
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To: sinanju

even with no crew, taking down Air Force one (I know it is only called that when TOTUS is on board) is too great a target


13 posted on 04/28/2009 10:44:56 AM PDT by edzo4 (NoBama 2012)
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To: sinanju
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14 posted on 04/28/2009 10:45:41 AM PDT by shoptalk (Defend principles, not personalities. Personalities will always break your heart.)
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To: shoptalk

I’m not even sure what to think if this was indeed support for a private, commercial movie venture about the first Black fighter group that ends with a Tuskegee a/c escorting the first Black president...

Given this president, I think it’s a poke in the eye to the Tuskegee legacy. Those men were absolute heroes. I’ve had the opportunity to chat with (Dr.) Roscoe Brown - all of the squadrons in the 340th Flying Training Group are Tuskegee legacy squadrons and I had the privilege of being around when they were reconstituted - and he and the other men faced challenges so much greater than the current occupant that it’s shameful to try to draw a comparison.

Colonel, USAFR


15 posted on 04/28/2009 10:48:29 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: sinanju
I would have no problem at all with AF-1 being used in a movie about the Tuskeegee Airmen. These men were heroes and deserve a honorable tribute.

The problem here is incompetent planning.

16 posted on 04/28/2009 10:48:57 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Gaffer

Ya know what Gaffer...I used to live there...and I could not agree more...I was there on 9/11. Sad how fast they forgot...betcha this was better than a thousand S’Bucks lattes to wake the fools up!


17 posted on 04/28/2009 10:51:35 AM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: sinanju
AF-1 is a symbol of this country, regardless of who is on the plane. The World Trade Center was targeted not because of who was in it, but because it was a symbol.
18 posted on 04/28/2009 10:51:39 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Braak
I don't mean to denigrate the real suffering that occurred. However, in the years since, this country has lost more soldiers than lost there protecting that city and others from a similar fate. What I've seen since is bickering amongst 'connected' survivors about memorials, scrambling for compensation, and a general contempt for the administration that vowed to not ever let that happen again. It truly is sad.

For the residents of the city to now become concerned in the wake of what they've done since boggles the mind.

19 posted on 04/28/2009 10:57:02 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: shoptalk

Are they the only ones with red tails on their F-16’s??


20 posted on 04/28/2009 10:59:48 AM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com LIBERTY FICTION at libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: Gaffer

On the other hand this shows that those who think terrorism is no longer a big issue should see those tapes of fleeing and frightened citizens, yesterday


21 posted on 04/28/2009 11:01:33 AM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com LIBERTY FICTION at libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: GeronL

Somehow, I think this will be the reverse of what you hope. It will be somehow blamed on the previous administration. In fact, it has already started. (e.g., Schumer’s declaration that the former FAA head, a Bush appointee, really is responsible because he/she screwed up things so bad).


22 posted on 04/28/2009 11:05:33 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: 5thGenTexan

I have a very big problem using Air Force One for a commercial venture.


23 posted on 04/28/2009 11:06:55 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Gaffer

I don’t think people will buy it on this one


24 posted on 04/28/2009 11:07:43 AM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com LIBERTY FICTION at libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: GeronL

Maybe so. At least, they won’t forget for a while.


25 posted on 04/28/2009 11:08:59 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: GeronL
Are they the only ones with red tails on their F-16’s?

I believe that's true (though I'm hardly an authority).

One wonders:

Who was on board OUR Air Force One? (and why not make the boarding list public?)

At what level did this flyover/photo shoot originate? (certainly above the pay grade of the White House Military Officer, I would think.)

26 posted on 04/28/2009 11:10:31 AM PDT by shoptalk (Defend principles, not personalities. Personalities will always break your heart.)
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To: Gaffer

You know that Newsbusters weekly vidcast?? Someone needs to start a daily one. It could be totally satirical like SNL or Mad-TV might do. I think it would be pretty popular pretty quickly.


27 posted on 04/28/2009 11:11:26 AM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com LIBERTY FICTION at libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: Carley
If the commercial venture pays for costs, are you OK with that? Just curious.

I guess I am OK with things like using military equipment in movies about our military. reimbursing costs and giving proper credit, etc. are expected.

28 posted on 04/28/2009 11:13:10 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: shoptalk
Campaign contributors and CAIR plus Ayers and Rev Wright... were all on the plane in my mind, being rewarded with a wet dream, pretending to be suicide bombers.

just my thought... until a passenger manifest is released

29 posted on 04/28/2009 11:13:40 AM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com LIBERTY FICTION at libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: NavyCanDo

Did anyone really expect anything else from the empty suits team?


30 posted on 04/28/2009 11:16:48 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: 5thGenTexan

Well, they certainly deserve better than that HBO abortion with Lawrence Fishburne.


31 posted on 04/28/2009 11:19:20 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: 5thGenTexan

That one of two planes dedicated to protecting, evacuating the president and successors is suddenly out of commission because of a commercial venture, you can bet your life that I am opposed to the any such thing.


32 posted on 04/28/2009 11:31:02 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Carley
Good point. This is not just some Humvee we are talking about. I concede you the point and am reporting to the nearest water-boarding facility for "Conservative Retraining".

"That's a joke, son" -- Foghorn Leghorn

33 posted on 04/28/2009 11:43:40 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: shoptalk

Red Tails (2009)

The story of the Tuskegee Airmen, the first African-American pilots to fly in a combat squadron during World War II.


34 posted on 04/28/2009 11:54:24 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: stlnative
Makes sense, no?

Occum's Razor and all that.

If this WAS the rationale for a joint AF-1/F-16 flyover, why not just 'fess up?

35 posted on 04/28/2009 12:05:29 PM PDT by shoptalk (Defend principles, not personalities. Personalities will always break your heart.)
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To: shoptalk

Why use a modern AF1 for a movie that is suppose take place during WW2?

That is what does not make sense, even if they did it for a promo movie commercial.


36 posted on 04/28/2009 12:09:51 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: 5thGenTexan

Have to admit I heard a former agent discussing the extent of contingency planning. He was sure that this could not have happened without the president himself giving approval

What a foolish foolish man. But we knew O was an incompetent boob.

The agent spoke of dirty bombs, nuclear attacks, etc Any number of possibilities that would require all the assets to be ready within a moment’s notice.


37 posted on 04/28/2009 12:17:32 PM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: stlnative
Red tail P-51D (flown by WWII heros) ---->

Red tail F-16 (flown by present-day ANG heros) ---->

AF-1 (heroic commander-in-chief)

...queue stirring music as AF-1 circles Lady Liberty with F-16 in tow.... roll credits .... fade to black

Consider using President Obama to deliver a short stem-winder on patriotism, thus riveting theatergoers to their seats as the lights come up.

(Hey, I'm no Spike Lee, but it COULD happen like this.)

38 posted on 04/28/2009 12:27:38 PM PDT by shoptalk (Defend principles, not personalities. Personalities will always break your heart.)
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To: Gaffer
I don't think you denigrated anyone...and your assessment is dead on. Part of the reason I moved...it was sad to see the idiots post on street corners "9/11 was an inside job"...and 8 years on and they still have yet to build a DARN thing on the site. Meanwhile, the Pentagon's completely rebuilt. Explain that one to me?

So THEIR prez scared the hell out of the poor dears...to hell with 'em. I do not live there any more and I don't care. So, when they do get hit again, I'll simply ask "Think this was an inside job too?" as we save them from themselves?

39 posted on 04/28/2009 12:57:12 PM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: shoptalk

For this to be a photography mission, the F-16 would need to be a two seat variant (D or F model). Can anyone confirm that this Red Tail was a two seater? I have not been able to find a good enough photo yet to tell if it was.


40 posted on 04/29/2009 6:27:11 AM PDT by Jeff F (austinaero; Phoenix11; WaterBoard)
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To: shoptalk
"If this WAS the rationale for a joint AF-1/F-16 flyover, why not just 'fess up?"

Too late. They've already admitted that the purpose was to update their AF-1 photo collection.

41 posted on 04/29/2009 6:37:15 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: stlnative

“F-16 Unit Salutes Tuskegee Airmen”

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2007/articles/oct_07/tuskegee/index.html


42 posted on 04/29/2009 7:49:44 AM PDT by shoutingandpointing ("Tagline?" What kind of pasta is that?)
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To: Hatteras

Why was an Alabama Air National Guard F-16 “Red Tail” over Manhattan Island with a Presidential Unit 747?

The White House is lying.


43 posted on 05/02/2009 9:36:21 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: edzo4
Why? Supposedly no one important on the plane.
44 posted on 05/02/2009 9:38:21 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: 5thGenTexan
It ain't AF-1 unless the Present is aboard.
45 posted on 05/02/2009 9:39:43 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: sinanju

Not only wasn’t notice given to the public, according to this source, the city was threatened with sanctions by the FAA if they let the word out.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/air.force.one.2.996457.html

Something stinks here. And I don’t mean Body Odor.


46 posted on 05/02/2009 9:51:14 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hey, Obama! Where's my check?)
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To: mad_as_he$$

even if it was empty it is still a target of smybolic importance, like the white house, still a symbol even when POTUS isn’t home


47 posted on 05/02/2009 11:15:40 AM PDT by edzo4 (NoBama 2012)
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To: shoptalk

This has to be the explanation! The RED TAIL can’t be mistaken and that plane would NEVER be used to “take photographs!” Also, it doesn’t take an hour of buzzing New York City to get a phot of Lady Liberty! It does take ALOT of time to get the required footage for a movie worshipping The First Black Messiah who apparently approved the filming for this movie, giing NOT a dingdong about terrifying the Citizens of Ground Zero! The MUSLIMS around the World must have Loved seeing the Terror that was Caused! Have the takes been screened yet in the White House Theatre??:-(
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! More Explaining better be Forthcoming!


48 posted on 05/08/2009 7:43:27 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Last Great President George W. Bush)
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To: True Republican Patriot

Maybe this was a dry run for the real thing.
Thanks nobama voters.


49 posted on 05/08/2009 7:51:29 PM PDT by Texas resident (Older but smarter)
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To: True Republican Patriot

The Red Tail F-16 escort (photo posted by the New York Post) of President Obama’s AF-1 hasn’t sparked any questions by an uncurious press corps, who explore EVERY angle of the First Family’s new puppy, Obama and Biden’s hamburger Happy Meal, and on and on.

Shameful.


50 posted on 05/09/2009 3:00:25 AM PDT by shoptalk (Defend principles, not personalities. Personalities will always break your heart.)
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