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With Eagles, Vick gets second chance
Espn ^ | 08/15/2009 | Lester Munson

Posted on 08/15/2009 4:39:29 AM PDT by fiscon1

A remorseful Michael Vick wants a second chance and a fresh start with the Philadelphia Eagles -- and knows he won't be easily forgiven by fans.

"I know I've done some terrible things, made a horrible mistake. Now I want to be part of the solution and not the problem," Vick said Friday, referring to his conviction for his role in running a dogfighting ring

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1 posted on 08/15/2009 4:39:29 AM PDT by fiscon1
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To: fiscon1

I am sure the Eagles would have signed Adolf Hitler too, if he met the physical requirements for playing.


2 posted on 08/15/2009 4:43:33 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: fiscon1

Philly- hide your dogs!


3 posted on 08/15/2009 4:45:40 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: fiscon1

My prediction is the Eagles will have record attendance at games and their TV games will be highly rated. I suspect this Vick deal has been polled and focus-grouped already and they found that it will sell. The NFL would never have let him back in otherwise.

I’m getting more cynical the older I get.


4 posted on 08/15/2009 4:47:23 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: fiscon1

I hope he’s ‘barked’ off the field each and every time he steps on it. Who let the dogs out? Indeed! He’s not sorry. He’s sorry his sorry @ss got CAUGHT!

On a brighter note, the first pre-season Packers game is on tonight. The rebuilding decade begins, LOL! :)


5 posted on 08/15/2009 4:47:51 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: fiscon1
Vick
What a wonderful role model for the kids...


6 posted on 08/15/2009 4:50:22 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: fiscon1
Remorseful??? Ask him if he'd play for $0.00! I'm so sick of these immoral money makers....and the "hero" status they achieve. They're garbage...We should be ashamed to present folks like this to our kids!! It's all about MONEY!!

P.S. Teaching dogs to kill each other is not a sport!! Maybe mention it to the kids that idolize this piece of cr**.

7 posted on 08/15/2009 4:52:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: HangnJudge

8 posted on 08/15/2009 4:53:39 AM PDT by HighWheeler (The higher the concentration of libs, the bigger the tragedy that follows.)
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To: pnh102

Vick is a great athlete who made a serious mistake, for which he’s served prison time. It’s OK with me that he be given a chance to show he’s changed. I hope most of us football fans understand that punishment is appropriate, but perpetual retribution isn’t.

But since I’m not an Eagles fan, go Bills!


9 posted on 08/15/2009 4:54:24 AM PDT by mcswan
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To: fiscon1

If Vick were to donate all but $100,000 per annum of his NFL salary to the RSPCA and NOT request a tax receipt, I would believe that he is remorseful and wants to make amends.

What are the odds of him doing something like that?


10 posted on 08/15/2009 4:55:13 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: pnh102
Please! Drawing an equivalence between Michael Vick and Adolph Hitler is absurd. I'm hardly an Eagles fan. Vick took his punishment and now seems quite contrite. Denying him an opportunity to make a living just isn't right now. I say give the guy a chance. If he commits some other crime, I would show him no mercy. But for now I hope he makes a useful return to football and society (unless he's playing against the Giants).

ML/NJ

11 posted on 08/15/2009 4:57:01 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: mcswan

> I hope most of us football fans understand that punishment is appropriate, but perpetual retribution isn’t.

The Law took its course, but Justice was not done.

I bet if he had fewer zeroes on his bank balance Justice might have paid him a bit more attention. He’s a slimeball and there is no way he “paid” for his offense.


12 posted on 08/15/2009 4:59:04 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: fiscon1

Oh, goodie another change to dump on the black boy and to promote animal rights. Wackos!!!


13 posted on 08/15/2009 5:01:08 AM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: pnh102

“I am sure the Eagles would have signed Adolf Hitler too, if he met the physical requirements for playing.”

How antisemitic of you to equate the two.


14 posted on 08/15/2009 5:02:23 AM PDT by stevestras
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To: stevestras

Vick is a complete worthless POS and I hope on 11/22 when the Bears face the Eagles the Bears are whipping the Eagles so much that they take McNabb out by halftime and put this worthless POS in and the Bears pound him into the Soldier Field ground like he deserves.

Ironic that he’s signing with the Eagles. Vick did this to help his friends get into business.

Vick helps his friends start dog fighting business.

The Eagles better QB McNabb actually helped several childhood friends start businesses in retail, restaurants and such. I go to one once in awhile that he helped his childhood best friend start.

Vick wasn’t even all that great to begin with. He belongs at WR or TE or RB but his pride won’t let him do it.

McNabb is a much better quarterback. IF the Eagles were smart they’d put Vick at WR or one of the backs.

And they won’t have to face the racism charges since McNabb is black.


15 posted on 08/15/2009 5:10:47 AM PDT by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Obama, Blagojevich, Stroger and Daley when Daley is the least corrupt of a group you have issues!)
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To: fiscon1

I find the mistreatment of animals pathetic, very demeaning in extreme to the perpetrator. I find taking pleasure in killing animals depraved(hunters take note). I would never harm or watch an animal being harmed. Not even on video.
That said, animals are property. The fact that this man’s life was ruined over some dogs is indicative of where this country is right now. And conservatives here want to crucify the man. This man was in prison for two years over some animals.
PETA has triumphed. Even here at freerepublic.


16 posted on 08/15/2009 5:11:40 AM PDT by all the best
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To: fiscon1

Can this fakery in the PC be nominated for an Oscar?

HE IS A DOG KILLER. Dog killers just love killing dogs. They do not regret it.

I hope the man has no children.


17 posted on 08/15/2009 5:13:01 AM PDT by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Obama, Blagojevich, Stroger and Daley when Daley is the least corrupt of a group you have issues!)
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To: fiscon1

Best line so far...

They are now and forever the Philadelphia Beagles!


18 posted on 08/15/2009 5:14:42 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: fiscon1
If he had paid and pressured a woman to have an abortion, that would not be news.
No, not an exact comparison; but shows how human life is devalued in proportion to animal life, in my opinion.
19 posted on 08/15/2009 5:15:15 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just say no to Soylent Green health care)
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To: abb
I suspect this Vick deal has been polled and focus-grouped already and they found that it will sell. The NFL would never have let him back in otherwise.

I find this outrage over Vick absolutely hilarious!

The NFL allows wife-beaters, gang-bangers, drug-pushers, etc back on the field, but somehow, because Vick abused some animals, his return is controversial.

C'mon people! Beating and abusing animals is wrong and criminal when done for fun, but how about some outrage for the players that beat their wives/girlfriends/mistresses?!

20 posted on 08/15/2009 5:16:35 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: all the best

Please tell me since you think dog torturing and killing is a minor thing you don’t have any pets or children.

Anyone that defends what he did and says it’s minor thinks torturing dogs is okay.

SInce you think it’s dandy someone should take you and torture you.

Sorry lover of dog killers but his life was ruined because he is a worthless POS and commited a crime not because of PETA.

And dog killer lover he rejected PETA and is going with the Humane Society and other organizations.

While you worship the dog killer and dream of him I’ll support non dog kilers.


21 posted on 08/15/2009 5:17:40 AM PDT by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Obama, Blagojevich, Stroger and Daley when Daley is the least corrupt of a group you have issues!)
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To: pnh102

They booed Santa Claus one year and also did the same to Michael Irvin as he was carted off the field with a potential neck injury. NEVER seen that behavior towards an injured player before.


22 posted on 08/15/2009 5:20:03 AM PDT by misterrob (A society that burdens future generations with debt can not be considered moral or just)
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan

You obviously did not read what I said. I find the willful mistreatment of animals depraved and abhorrent. Did you get that. Animals are animals. Property. PERIOD.
He committed a crime that should not have been a crime. People are free to do with their property as they see fit.

Did you read what I had to say about hunting. I thought I would get grief for that. People who enjoy hunting are sick. They are animal killers. Want to put them in jail. How about meat eater? Are you a vegan? If not you are a hypocrite.


23 posted on 08/15/2009 5:23:00 AM PDT by all the best
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To: fiscon1

I hope he’s had a real change of heart. I can’t imagine being the kind of person who takes pleasure in torturing animals. If he really HAS changed, he’s going to be feeling remorse the rest of his life and that’s punishment enough. I’m still grateful the Redskins didn’t pick him up, and our office Eagles fan is mortified.


24 posted on 08/15/2009 5:25:05 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: fiscon1

from a falcon fan, the day they traded schaub to the texans I said, “They just traded the wrong guy”..

Michael Vick was exciting when he was in Atlanta but people didn’t pay to see him throw the ball. They paid for that one moment he’d take off and run.

Vick had (has?) one of the strongest arms in the nfl, but arm strength does NOT equate to accuracy and this guy was by no means accurate. He couldn’t hit his receivers down field which is why at the time falcon wr’s could be wide open in the endzone with no one within 10 yards and vick would force the ball to alge crumpler in triple coverage for a 4 yard gain.

The falcons would have been no better than an 8-8 team with him and roddy white would still be operating in obscurity instead of becoming one of the nfl’s elite receivers and the locker room wouldn’t be near big enough to hold his ego.

Perhaps the man is truly contrite, perhaps not. One way to see is to watch how he dresses after the game. He used to come out after the games for his press conference dressed as though he could have been out selling crack on any street corner in anytown, U.S.A. (hat on sideways, cornrows, big t-shirt etc.etc.)

Will he maintain that “thug” exterior or will he dress like a normal human being. THAT will be the way you can tell where he’s headed.

IMHO..


25 posted on 08/15/2009 5:25:54 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info..)
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To: stevestras; ml/nj; mcswan
How antisemitic of you to equate the two.

Fine. The Eagles would have signed Chairman Mao or Pol Pot if either met the physical requirements for playing.

I say give the guy a chance.

While there certainly is no legal impediment to Vick playing for the Eagles, there is also no legal impediment those of us that believe that Vick's type animal cruelty is unacceptable to shun the team, and to hope for nothing but the worst from it.

I still would like to know what criminal activity is actually looked down by the NFL. How many people or animals can someone kill and still be allowed to play?

I also have a feeling that if any non-football player was convicted of this type of crime, that said person wouldn't have it so easy in finding a job. Most employers, especially in this economy, will just toss out the application of anyone who commits a serious crime.

26 posted on 08/15/2009 5:26:00 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: abb
My prediction is the Eagles will have record attendance at games and their TV games will be highly rated. I suspect this Vick deal has been polled and focus-grouped already and they found that it will sell. The NFL would never have let him back in otherwise.

Definitely. You really "can buy this type of publicity."

27 posted on 08/15/2009 5:27:08 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Erik Latranyi
The NFL allows wife-beaters, gang-bangers, drug-pushers, etc back on the field, but somehow, because Vick abused some animals, his return is controversial.

Exactly. What crime does someone have to commit in order to not be an NFL player?

There's a reason why the NFL has become known as the "National Felons League." It is because people like to watch games played by criminals, and the NFL functions accordingly.

28 posted on 08/15/2009 5:29:38 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: fiscon1; Bender2

One of the funniest signs I have seen in a long time was one held yesterday outside of Eagles training camp (I believe). It said “Hide your Beagle, Vick’s an Eagle”.


29 posted on 08/15/2009 5:31:44 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan
McNabb is a much better quarterback. IF the Eagles were smart they’d put Vick at WR or one of the backs.

I agree. McNabb and Vick as quarterbacks are similar in their scambling style. There is a reason Pasqualoni tried - and very nearly succeeded - in recruiting Vick: Syracuse needed a quarterback with similar skills to follow McNabb. But McNabb's role as starting quarterback is secure. The Eagles will find a position other than quarterback for Vick.
30 posted on 08/15/2009 5:35:04 AM PDT by mcswan
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To: fiscon1

You can “pay your debt to society” and still be a worthless POS. Serving time doesn’t necessarily improve your character...usually the opposite. Just another good reason to despise the Iggles....


31 posted on 08/15/2009 5:36:34 AM PDT by clintonh8r ("Seems fishy")
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Slim and none, and Slim left town. The only thing he’s remorseful about is getting caught. At one time he was a millionaire gangsta. Then he was a broke gangsta in jail. Now he’s a broke gangsta out of jail.

Someone told me yesterday that in our country “everyone deserves a second chance”. That’s garbage. If everyone deserves and GETS a second chance, where’s the incentive to be a law abiding citized the first time around?


32 posted on 08/15/2009 5:38:58 AM PDT by Babalu ("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
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To: All

I’m an eagle’s fan and I think this signing makes no football sense at all. Just stupid and unnecessary. That said...

VICK KILLED DOGS. DOGS. There are several players playing right now (or will next year) who have KILLED HUMAN BEINGS or have been party to murder. I hate to break this to y’all, but that is a far greater offense to me.

I have a dog. I like dogs. But this “outrage” over Vick’s heinous crimes (for which he served nearly 2 yrs where as the drunken Donte Stallworth served 26 DAYS for KILLING A HUMAN BEING) is absurd.

The Eagles backup QB, kevin Kolb hunts wild boar in TX with his dogs. Sometimes, the boars fight the dogs and tear them to shreds. Sometimes his dogs tear up the boar. I’m not clear where the line is here.

My point is, Vick sucks as a QB, the Eagles didn’t need him, the NFL is hypocritical, and this whole phony debate is annoying now.


33 posted on 08/15/2009 5:41:44 AM PDT by whattajoke (.)
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To: all the best

At one time slaves were property as well. Was it morally right to harm them physically if and when the need arose simply because they were property? Just askin’.


34 posted on 08/15/2009 5:42:41 AM PDT by Babalu ("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
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To: fiscon1

I’m ok with giving Vick a second chance, not because Vick has earned or deserves it, but because Tony Dungy is putting his neck on the line for him. Tony Dungy has always been a class act worthy of respect. With Dungy mentoring Vick, I think Dungy has earned the respect to give Dungy the benefit of the doubt.


35 posted on 08/15/2009 5:46:03 AM PDT by jude24
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To: all the best
People are free to do with their property as they see fit.

Really? Burn down your house for insurance money? Run over somebody with your car? Blast your stereo all night?

36 posted on 08/15/2009 5:46:25 AM PDT by clintonh8r ("Seems fishy")
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To: Babalu

Equating human beings with animals?! Instead of just asking you ought to be just thinking. God help you. And I mean that. God help this country. We have totally lost it when I am asked this on a “conservative” site.
Please be consistent. Campaign against hunting, meat eating and the wearing of leather. As I said I think people who enjoy killing animals are depraved. How many of the people who want to see Vick destroyed are avid hunters?


37 posted on 08/15/2009 5:46:53 AM PDT by all the best
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To: all the best

I apologize that my thinking doesn’t meet with your approval. I’ll be as consistent as I effing want to be within the constraints of my belief system and you can do the same.

I do not equate hunting with the willful, inhumane, and sadistic killing of dogs for “sport” and for personal monetary and illegal gain. There is, in my opinion, no moral equivalency. That is my OPINION. I believe the purpose of this forum is to offer and discuss opinions without facetiously questioning the manner in which we do so.

For whatever it’s worth, wilfully taking a life for the purpose of so-called sport is immoral. That’s also my opinion and the way I think. God helping this country has nothing to do with it.


38 posted on 08/15/2009 5:58:31 AM PDT by Babalu ("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
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To: all the best
God help you. And I mean that. God help this country.

Well said! As a conservative I believe in personal responsibility and suffering the consequences for vile behavior. But, for crying out loud, most people do turn their lives around when they have to look seriously at their darkest nature. If we don't belive that people can change, then I would expect everyone on the site to keep silent and hang his head in shame.
39 posted on 08/15/2009 5:59:22 AM PDT by mcswan
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To: mcswan

I believe people CAN and DO change. I do not, however, believe Vick is one of these people. Assuming personal responsibility doesn’t exculpate anyone from the immorality of something they did.


40 posted on 08/15/2009 6:04:42 AM PDT by Babalu ("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
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To: Babalu

God has everything to do with it. Wanting to base everything on personal opinion is the relativism that has gotten us into this mess. “We all have our own opinion. There is no absolute truth or morality.” That is what the government schools and the intellectual/cultural establishment have been promulgating for decades. You are a product if that. If you are not willing to base and defend your opinion on some sort of objective, absolute authority or system of thought, then it is pretty worthless. Pure emotion.
I will say it again: Taking pleasure in the killing or harming of animals is demeaning and ugly. Destruction is bad.


41 posted on 08/15/2009 6:07:54 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Babalu
Of course "assuming personal responsibility doesn’t exculpate anyone from the immorality of something they did"

I don't think anyone here is saying that it should, certainly I'm not.
42 posted on 08/15/2009 6:13:39 AM PDT by mcswan
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To: all the best

And what are you insinuating by invoking God and that He should help me? That I need to go to confession for expressing my opinion? The my opinion has somehow offended God?

Here’s my consistency — hunting is a legal activity (though poaching is not). Meat eating is a legal activity (unless you steal the meat). Wearing leather is a legal activity. The cruel and sadistic killing of dogs is not legal. It’s also, in my opinion, immoral. I have no idea how many people who want to see Vick destroyed are avid hunters. I do, however, have a sense that MOST of them would not engage in illegal activities such as dog figthing. I don’t agree with your statement that these people want to see Vick destroyed. Destroyed is an awfully strong word.


43 posted on 08/15/2009 6:14:35 AM PDT by Babalu ("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan
Ironic that he’s signing with the Eagles.

I wonder about that. The NFL seemed determined to get Vick back into the league, but most teams & team owners considered him to be 'radioactive'. Then there were a few rumors that the Pats might be considering him. The Steelers were also mentioned. The Eagles finally took the plunge.

Assuming the rumors were true, what do these teams have in common? 2 things:

1) They are all playoff teams with a pretty good shot at the Superbowl this year, and
2) Each has an established starting quarterback (so Vick probably won't play much, if at all).

If the league wanted to take him back, but wanted him 'buried', they certainly did a good job of it.

44 posted on 08/15/2009 6:14:43 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: fiscon1

For those of you castigating Vick so viciously, I would like to ask you whether his punishment was fair as compared to Donte Stallworth who spent 24 days in jail and suspended for one year for manslaughter?


45 posted on 08/15/2009 6:17:31 AM PDT by marvlus
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To: all the best

Precisely. In my value system, God has EVERYTHING to do with it. My “worthless” absolute authority for my opinion is God.


46 posted on 08/15/2009 6:18:56 AM PDT by Babalu ("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
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To: marvlus

Stallworth’s should hve been more severe than Vick’s, but neither was anywhere near adequate in my opinion.


47 posted on 08/15/2009 6:36:08 AM PDT by clintonh8r ("Seems fishy")
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To: Babalu

So you are a proponent of legal positivism?! Morality is determined by legality?! Therefore abortion is moral. Killing Jews in Germany in 1944 was moral.
Yes saying that people want to see Michael Vick destroyed is strong language.
Can’t you get it into your head. I find harming animals repugnant. I feed carrots to the bunnies who come into my yard. About 8 pounds per week. I somehow put man above animals. Rather an old fashioned idea. I am out of touch with this new modern era. So I will end my discussions with you.


48 posted on 08/15/2009 6:46:15 AM PDT by all the best
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To: clintonh8r
Really? Burn down your house for insurance money? Run over somebody with your car? Blast your stereo all night?

Surely this is the most idiotic. You say burn down their own house(yes) but then you add on a clear instance of fraud. Run down someone with their own car. Murder. Try to think will you. You confuse a person's right to drive their own property with murder. Blast your stereo all night? Sure if there are no neighbors onto whose property the sound will travel.

You wrote absolutely nothing that made any sense.

49 posted on 08/15/2009 6:51:15 AM PDT by all the best
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To: all the best

I agree with you, and I hunt and eat bunnies :)

PETA has won on FreeRepublic. Most everyone here CLAIMS that the only moral laws are those that protect the rights of the individual but few actually mean it.

I love dogs but they’re not people and they have no rights to protect. I would never hurt them but every dog I’ve OWNED was my property which I’m free to do with as I please.

If you disagree, fine but consider my original claim...if moral laws aren’t based on the protection of individual rights then what are they based on?


50 posted on 08/15/2009 7:11:41 AM PDT by Raymann
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