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This Year’s Greatest Television Moment: a most unexpected denunciation of ObamaCare
NewsReal Blog ^ | August 14, 2009 | John Perazzo

Posted on 08/15/2009 9:49:41 AM PDT by HorowitzianConservative

Credit must be given where it’s due. Earlier this week MSNBC’s Ed Schultz treated his viewers to two of the finest minutes of television that anyone, anywhere, has seen in years. Not, mind you, because of anything Schultz said, but because of what one of his guests said to him. It was one of those deeply satisfying moments when we got to see a knee-jerk Obama lapdog like Schultz spend several minutes spewing his trademark leftist claptrap, only to be dramatically ambushed by a guest who Schultz thought was going to do nothing more than dutifully rubber-stamp everything he had just said.

The segment began with Schultz deriding ”Christian political operatives” for having failed, thus far, to speak out in favor of the Democrat/Obama plan for government-run healthcare. He looked earnestly at the camera and demanded that “the four most influential Christian leaders in this country” — he named, specifically, Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Franklin Graham, and James Dobson — “step up and speak up.” ”These Christian leaders,” said Schultz, “need to get engaged and support a Christian president on the public option of providing healthcare for all Americans. Isn’t it the Christian thing to do? Their silence [so far] is deafening.”

Schultz then proceeded to explain that these ministers’ failure to publicly endorse socialized medicine constituted a betrayal of Christ’s message:

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 4thestate5thcolumn; dncfalseprophets; enemedia; falseprophets; healthcare; race
This is excellent.
1 posted on 08/15/2009 9:49:41 AM PDT by HorowitzianConservative
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To: HorowitzianConservative

”These Christian leaders,” said Schultz, “need to get engaged and support a Christian president on the public option of providing healthcare for all Americans.”

Hey Ed,

What Christian President?

Grunthor.


2 posted on 08/15/2009 9:55:54 AM PDT by Grunthor (Obama has delusions of adequacy.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Yeah, all I really need is a lecture on what “true Christians” are from a guy whose first wife found him in bed what what became his second. /North Dakota rant


3 posted on 08/15/2009 10:15:52 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan
Schultz then proceeded to explain that these ministers’ failure to publicly endorse socialized medicine constituted a betrayal of Christ’s message:......

Schmulz then went on to decry the total failure of the Black Pastorhood, across America, for failure re the 80% "Bastardy Rate" among black citizens...../sarc

4 posted on 08/15/2009 10:22:21 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

He asks what would Jesus do about sick people.

Interesting, these men of “God” didn’t even touch on the fact that Jesus would heal them voluntarily!

He wouldn’t look into the crowd and demand that they rabble rouse the “government” to pay the medicine man.


5 posted on 08/15/2009 10:29:03 AM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative
Jesus DID NOT heal everyone. Jesus DID NOT make healing a political issue. He did the will of His Father and healed those He was moved to heal for His reasons and as a testimony to all of us of who He is.

This MSNBC report sickens me. It is a like a Saducee or Pharisee in Christ's time. Sophistry to try and bend public opinion.

In that segment, the only one speaking with clarity of any type, was the blkack Bishop.

The idea that we cannot get to clarity until we have civility is another strawman. Tell that to our founders, who, though they tried to be civil, ultimatley had to resort to war in order to keep the King from foisting his tyranny on the people. That is a historical note and fact that should not be lost on the call for civility surrounding today's issue

There are some issues, some particularly fundemental issues, when someone is calling for fundamentally changing them or destroying them, that you cannot be civil about. The agent of change MUST hear, see, and feel your passion about opposing him.

So it is with this issue.


OBAMA HEALTH CARE BY THE NUMBERS


EZEKIEL EMANUEL AND OBAMA HEALTH CARE

(Must Read - Shocking, cited quotes by Emanuel)


OBAMA'S BRIDGE TOO FAR


THE STORM UNLEASHED ON AMERICA

A PETITION ON FACEBOOK FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RESTORATION

6 posted on 08/15/2009 10:33:35 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: litehaus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNgxCpZsbLA&videos=nnBhaPCH0UA&playnext_from=TL&playnext=1


7 posted on 08/15/2009 10:33:38 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: tflabo

BTTT


8 posted on 08/15/2009 10:34:35 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Abort the unborn, kill the old, save money, give money to Dems and their thug supporters.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

YO ED!!!!

You Idiot Liberals can’t have both sides... HOW DARE YOU try to preach GOSPEL, when YOU and your ILK, under the guise of “SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE” and Almost completely removed even the MENTION of GOD anywhere in PUBLIC.

MORALITY and ethics come from Religion... you illiterate SCUM only show yourselves as the HYPOCRITS that you ARE..

If you want the Government to take care of you, BIG ED, Go for it.. but LEAVE ME THE **** ALONE!!!


9 posted on 08/15/2009 10:35:54 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's 1984 - To Conservatives, a WARNING - to Liberals, a TEXTBOOK!)
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To: tflabo

Jesus never preached that Roman guards should take money from some people to buy health care for others.

He preached **personal** charity.


10 posted on 08/15/2009 10:37:19 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: HorowitzianConservative
Too bad I could find no way to view the video.
Is it on YouTube?
11 posted on 08/15/2009 10:39:09 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative
"When Jesus walked the face of the earth, he was feeding the hungry, he was clothing the poor, and healing the sick. He didn’t ask anybody for their health insurance card and he didn’t heal anybody for profit..."

A great argument for private charity. Thanks Ed!

(After all, Jesus didn't work for the government, did he?)

12 posted on 08/15/2009 10:39:54 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Jesus wanted us to feed and clothe and take care of the poor. He didn’t ask Rome to do it....


13 posted on 08/15/2009 10:46:39 AM PDT by freebilly ( No wonder all the left has a boner for Obama.... There's "Cialis" in "SoCIALISt")
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To: HorowitzianConservative
it is so bizzare to hear about sermons on Christian virtues from atheist perverts.
Mind-boggling doesn't begin to describe it.

Charity is a voluntary gesture individually given freely.
Coerced "charity" is simply slavery by another name.

Funny how delusional self-styled intellectuals can't grasp such a simple concept.

14 posted on 08/15/2009 10:47:28 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

I am my brother’s keeper. I am not your brother’s keeper.


15 posted on 08/15/2009 10:47:42 AM PDT by Crawdad (If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Ed asserts that we “should hear more from Christian leaders” while simultaneously talking over and shutting down an attempt by his guest to have that very discussion.

Typical Rat hypocrisy.


16 posted on 08/15/2009 10:48:00 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Jeff Head
This MSNBC report sickens me.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It did me as well. Shultz simply does not understand that Christian charity is voluntary and not forced. Jesus never suggested that Roman guards should force people to hand over their money or time to serve the needy. The other two religious people neglected to mention this as well.

17 posted on 08/15/2009 10:49:56 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

I love how folks who despise Christianity deem themselves experts on knowing what Jesus Christ would say or feel about ANY issue.

This is absolutely ridiculous.


18 posted on 08/15/2009 10:51:09 AM PDT by J40000
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To: Auntie Mame

Jesus wouldn’t abort helpless unborn babies or counsel disabled elderly on how to choose death with so-called dignity. BTW...how many hospitals and medical foundations have been started by Christian churches and related private organizations?
How many wealthy individuals bequeath portions of their wealth as well to medical facilities and foundations? Answer = many.
If Big Govt. healthcare grabs it all expect a big decline
in the above in donations!


19 posted on 08/15/2009 10:52:53 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: HorowitzianConservative
Looney libtards who invoke Jesus make me laugh at their attempt to use his works against us as evidence that we are somehow not being Christ-like in opposing Obama's DeathCare. Their stunning lack of knowledge about everything else that Jesus said, which was considered revolutionary and rebellious in his time, is comical. My 8 and 13 year-old children could shame them into retracting their ignorant arguments.

Here is just one small but powerful example that shows the absurdity of the claims that Christian leaders' silence about DeathCare are unchristian and contrary to Christ's teachings.

Matthew 6:1-4. "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from you Father in Heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

20 posted on 08/15/2009 11:14:27 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative
Schultz then proceeded to explain that these ministers’ failure to publicly endorse socialized medicine constituted a betrayal of Christ’s message:

I'm pretty sure Jesus never said we should worship the holy socialized government.

21 posted on 08/15/2009 11:17:22 AM PDT by DejaJude
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To: HorowitzianConservative
This Schultz guy is an idiot. Did Jesus ask the Roman's for healthcare? Did Jesus ask them for bread for the poor? Pffft!

And that was, by no means, a smackdown. Jesus did not concern himself with the politics of Rome. He dealt directly with the people. The left only calls on HIM when they need Him to further an agenda He does not share. Christians should help the needy (not government), and they would do more if their taxes weren't killing them. Cash 4 Clunkers did damage to charities but they want Jesus to help them pass more socialism?! They don't know who he is.

22 posted on 08/15/2009 11:20:10 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: HorowitzianConservative
Hey Ed Schultz ? you said in your video that this country was founded on Judea Christian principles .. haven't you heard ? Obama said that America is not a Christian nation.
Which is it liberals ? is it ? or not ? was this nation founded on Christian principles or not ? can't have it both ways.

23 posted on 08/15/2009 11:22:15 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Grunthor
He said " True Christian leaders " need to get engaged and support.

24 posted on 08/15/2009 11:25:13 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

I watched this RAT on the video

First, the Constitution does not empower the Federal Government to be involved in our health care, it is unconstitutional. Period. Game over. If they do it, then our only response needs to be to force our States to use the 10th Amendment and not participate. If the Feds force the issue after that, then a State’s only alternative would be to leave the union. If the Constitutional framework is no longer being honored, the contract binding us together is obviously null and void.

Second, as others have pointed out. I’m not very impressed with an atheist (think satan supporter) being deceptive about what my obligations are. Naturally, he has them wrong. I have a Christian and moral obligation to help those in need. Having goons from the government steal enslave me and use the fruits of my labor for redistribution regardless of the excuse is still theft and against God. Coveting is still a sin.

Third, hussein is Christian? Really? I see more evident of a satan worshiping muzzie. I see a lot of evidence for an atheist marxist. And lots of evidence for black liberation theology. Do not see any evidence for Christianity.


25 posted on 08/15/2009 11:25:55 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Thanks for the post, because if this happened on MSNBC, I didn’t see it, and never will. It’s like reading Pravda; you always know what it’s going to say before you read it.


26 posted on 08/15/2009 11:29:23 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Auntie Mame
" He asks what would Jesus do about sick people.

Interesting, these men of “God” didn’t even touch on the fact that Jesus would heal them voluntarily!

He wouldn’t look into the crowd and demand that they rabble rouse the “government” to pay the medicine man. "

Was there ever a time that Jesus asked for payment or money for a blessing, or healing ? nope... all he asked was for their faith to believe.
In most cases, Jesus gave back more than what the people came to receive.. i.e. 2 loaves of bread and 5 fishes..
27 posted on 08/15/2009 11:31:09 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative
Remember when candidate Edwards said with stem cell research Christopher Reeve would get up out of his wheelchair and walk again?

With 0bamaCare, Christopher Reeve never would have made it out of the ER.

28 posted on 08/15/2009 11:35:51 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Maybe so, but I was responding to THIS;

”These Christian leaders,” said Schultz, “need to get engaged and support a **Christian president**”


29 posted on 08/15/2009 11:37:19 AM PDT by Grunthor (Obama has delusions of adequacy.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

we will soon have a greatest hits montage of people trashing the messiah, and another of his bumbling, stumbling nn answers when he goes off the prompter.


30 posted on 08/15/2009 11:37:55 AM PDT by milwguy
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To: Grunthor
Ed Schultz, typical Liberal delusional loony fruit loops.
31 posted on 08/15/2009 11:41:25 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative
Let's change one name and the issue and see how well this goes over.....

"I think it is incumbant on these major Christian leaders - Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Franklin Graham, and James Dobson - to back our Christian President George W. Bush and his attempts to make certain that our students get the education they need by allowing them to receive vouchers to attend the school of their choice."

How would THAT be received?

32 posted on 08/15/2009 11:41:55 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (I may not be John Galt or Jim Thompson, but I AM THE MOB!)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

bookmark


33 posted on 08/15/2009 11:43:03 AM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Ask His forgiveness. Don't wait.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

bookmark for later.


34 posted on 08/15/2009 11:50:55 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Wow. Where to begin... so many conflicting principles, so little time. But a great response from the Bishop, Thank You Lord.
Guess we can just file this under Typical Liberal ANY Means to the End.

Tatt


35 posted on 08/15/2009 11:51:38 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." DorothyBernard)
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To: HorowitzianConservative
Gee Ed if government-run healthcare is Christian requirement what about that old separation of Church and State thing you on the left are alway yammering about?
36 posted on 08/15/2009 11:55:27 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Obama plans to fix America like he fixed his dog)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Soooooo....Dems are now using ‘civility’ as a euphemism for passive acceptance of the overthrow of freedom. They don’t understand how this moves us - they are incapable of even conjecturing about WHY we value freedom but they plan to take from us and keep it for themselves. IF they really want us to behave as if our freedom really has no value and no one is trying to rob us of it, then Dems should at least try to pretend that they don’t want to steal it from us and use it to ‘rule’ us.
As I understand it, there is no real bill out now because that would give us ammunition to point to it and say specifically why we don’t want it. There are various drafts we can point to and decry but then we are accused of making a big deal about nothing -there is no bill. If we are civil, only the Obamacare propogandists will be heard. If we are ‘civil’ then the Dems return in the fall to swiftly pull a bill out of hiding and sign it. This is our only chance to say anything at all to our ‘representative government’. Apparently, they imagine that we ‘should’ quietly listen when lied to and let them do what they want to us. Everything else is incivility.


37 posted on 08/15/2009 12:05:47 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: HorowitzianConservative

It’s always amusing/pathetic when libs try to talk authoritatively about religion. Remember when Howard Dean said his favorite book of the NT was the Book of Job?


38 posted on 08/15/2009 12:27:33 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: HorowitzianConservative
Let's see. Jesus fed the multitudes with a few loaves and fishes, and then . . . . when they followed him to get some MORE loaves and fishes he . . . . became a full-time community organizer, opened a soup kitchen, and spent the rest of his time feeding loaves and fishes to the poor like any good, concerned liberal would!

Wait a minute. Maybe he didn't.

I guess Jesus wasn't a very committed liberal. Obama would have probably not named him Secretary of HUD.

39 posted on 08/15/2009 12:38:14 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Oh, how I LOVE the instruction to give your alms in secret -- it is so incredibly wise on so many levels. True story: a man with a large family who was doing moderately well saw that a neighboring family was weathering some very tough times. It was in the early 1960s, when $100 was a pretty big chunk of change. The man withdrew $100 from his bank account, put it in an envelope, and anonymously delivered it to the neighbor's home. The neighbor received the $100, which helped his family tremendously, yet never learned who gave him the money.

THEREFORE:
1. The neighbor never felt indebted to an individual for the indignity of needing and taking charity, and was relived of the burden of worrying about how he was going to repay the giver some way, some how

2. The neighbor was inclined to feel kindly toward ALL his neighbors and friends, because he couldn't know which of them had given him the money

Because I know of this true story, I refrain from criticizing wealthy people or anyone else, liberal or conservative, for not giving to charities -- we not only cannot know whether or not the ultra-rich do alms, it's not our business to know.

40 posted on 08/15/2009 1:35:03 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative
I watched this earlier, and had some time to think about it. Here's my reply to Ed Schultz:

The reason the religious leaders Schultz cites are silent is because the Church has been in this business for a long time and were driven out of the public policy sector by secularists during the past several decades under the banner of "separation of church and state." Schultz shouldn't be surprised that they're not there now to comment.

I'm sure that Schultz actually isn't surprised, but rather, he's using the Alinsky rule of using their rules against them. He's trying to shame the religious leaders by holding them up to a standard he purports that they live by, but aren't now.

Didn't the church used to host medical clinics for the poor? Didn't the church used to host food banks for the poor? Weren't those clinics and kitchens funded by charitable donations from their parishioners and philanthropists?

What was Schultz' position when George W. Bush proposed "faith-based" initiatives to help the poor?

No, Schultz instead supports government handouts taken from confiscatory taxes, in the name of "morality."

True morality came from local organizations accepting local donations from local residents to help the local poor and down-on-their-luck neighbors in their local communities.

But local people helping their own to improve their situations doesn't fit the Left's agenda of consolidating power and centrally ruling everyone.

-PJ

41 posted on 08/15/2009 1:44:07 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (This just in... Voting Republican is a Terrorist act!)
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