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The Audacity Of Arrogantly Proclaiming A Partnership With God
84rules News and Commentary Blog ^ | August 20, 2009 | 84rules

Posted on 08/20/2009 10:38:48 AM PDT by 84rules

Never has a sitting president had the arrogance or impudence to say what Obama said yesterday:

The Audacity Of Arrogantly Proclaiming A Partnership With God
August 20, 2009

TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: god; obamacare; partner; rabbis
I honestly believe that this validates Gov. Sarah Palin's concerns about nationalized health care.
1 posted on 08/20/2009 10:38:48 AM PDT by 84rules
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To: 84rules

Roll that comment from the malignant narcissist, Obama, over in your mind with the flavor of what he did to protect the murder of just born alive infants in Illinois. This is a very wicked man with a dead soul.

2 posted on 08/20/2009 10:43:22 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: 84rules

A partnership with God with regard to the healthcare bill? Gee, that would make it against the law since he has now brought belief in God into a piece of national legislation. Separation of Church and State and all of that.

3 posted on 08/20/2009 10:44:24 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: 84rules

Can government do the work of God (Charity)?

What I have read and understood from the Bible is that God and Jesus wants us to help each other by using our own time, treasure and talent and to give from our hearts (”Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” - 2 Corinthians 9:7). Nowhere have I found anything along the lines of “Go out and institute huge bureaucracies that will take money from some people at the point of a sword and give that money to other people as a politician sees fit.”

Our Founding Fathers were Christian and very pious men. They founded this country under strong Judeo-Christian tenets and reflected on their religious beliefs on all their decisions. They wrote nothing into the Constitution of any type of government “aid” to help the poor, children or anyone else on purpose. They wanted a very limited government for good reason. Limited government is the best way to ensure that freedom will be preserved. The Scottish philosopher Alexander Tytler, who lived during the time of the American Revolution and writing of the US Constitution, summed these views:

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure.

From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s great civilizations has been two hundred years.

These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.”

There are many interesting questions if citizens rely on government to do “God’s Work.”

If a government takes a portion of a man’s wages and does good with it, has the man also done good? If a government takes away a portion of a woman’s property and does evil with it, has the woman also done evil?

When a rich man pays more in taxes than a poor person, is he more Godly?

If the government then does evil, is he more to blame? A woman works for the government and uses other people’s tax money and does “God Work” with it, is this government woman now a good/Godly woman? If I legally try to avoid paying taxes, does that not make me an “Ungodly” man?

Today, the US government (federal, state and local) takes nearly 50% of a middle-class person’s paycheck after all taxes are factored in (income taxes, Social Security, sales tax, real estate taxes, gas tax, death taxes, phone taxes, highway tolls, sad etc.). Uncle Sam will spend more money in just this year (2004) than it spent combined between 1787 and 1900 - even after adjusting for inflation. I cringe at those numbers.

The Founding Fathers wanted nothing like the tax-consuming monster that we have as a government today. I also think of all the good work that could have be done if people were allowed to keep more of their own money and give it to organizations/people that they believe in their heart are doing God’s work. Maybe it comes down to trust. Will people do the right thing with their own money or must a government take a huge chunk of it to do the “right things?”

Except government rarely does anything right except for those tasks that were explicitly outlined in the Constitution as the Founding Father intended. I could cite many examples (such as where would you rather put $10,000 in retirement money - in Social Security or in your own 401k
plan?) but the plight of black America illustrates this failure beyond comparison.

In 1965, the US government was going to wipe out poverty by the “Great Society” programs, in which to date over 3.5 trillion dollars has been spent. These federal programs were designed to “help families and children” or “buy votes” depending on your political viewpoint.

At the beginning of the 1960’s, the black out of wedlock birth rate was 22%. In the late 1975 it reached 49% and shot up to 65% in 1989. In some of the largest urban centers of the nation the rate of illegitimacy among blacks today exceeds 80% and averages 69% nationwide. As late as the 1970’s there was still a social stigma attached to a woman who was pregnant outside marriage. Now, government programs have substituted for the father and for black moral leadership. The black family and culture has collapsed (and white families are not that far behind).

Illegitimacy leads directly to poverty, crime and social problems. Out of wedlock children are four times more likely to be poor. They are much more likely to live in high crime areas with no hope of escape. In turn, they are forced to attend dangerous and poor-performing government schools, which directly leads to another generation of poverty.

Traditional black areas of Harlem, Englewood and West Philadelphia in the 1950s were safe working class neighborhoods (even though “poor” by material measures). Women were unafraid to walk at night and children played unmolested in the streets and parks. Today, these are some of the worst crime plagued areas of our nation. Work that was once dignified is now shunned. Welfare does not require recipients to do anything in exchange for their benefits. Many rules actually discourage work or provide benefits that reduce the incentive to find work.

The black abortion rate today is nearly 40%. Pregnancies among black women are twice as likely to end in abortion as pregnancies among white and Hispanic women.

The “Great Society” programs all had good intentions. Unfortunately, their real world results are that they have replaced the traditional/Christian models of family/work with that of what a government bureaucrat thinks it should be.

I could make an excellent argument that if the US government had hired former grand wizards of the KKK to run the “Great Society” programs, and if they had worked every day from 1965 to today without rest, they could have hardly have done better in destroying black America than the “Works of God” that the government has done or is trying to do.

I have visited many countries in which the government “guarantees” that everyone has a job, a place to live, education, health care and cradle to grave “government help” for all children and families. It all sounds great except that the people in these countries are/were miserable. They wanted to escape but were forced by their governments, at the end of a gun, to stay. The “worker’s paradises” of socialist and communist counties are chilling reminders of letting governments do “God’s Work.”

The Bible clearly states that we are to help those in need. The question is “Who should help those in need?” I firmly believe that scripture and the historical evidence strongly support that individuals, private organizations and churches should be the ones doing the heavy lifting.
Government help should be the last resort. “Charity,” enforced by the government, is not charity, it is extortion. “Charity,” delivered by the government, is not charity, it is a bribe which corrupts both the giver and the receiver.

Very Sincerely,


4 posted on 08/20/2009 10:47:00 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 84rules

Holy American Emperor CaligObama has spoken and thy dissen shall be punished most harshly, for it is blasphemy!

5 posted on 08/20/2009 10:47:22 AM PDT by GeronL (Pro-Freedom Fiction Writers Unite! -
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To: 84rules

Well, so much for the “separation of church and state” mantra from the Left! Guess that takes care of that!!!

6 posted on 08/20/2009 10:47:39 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: 84rules

He will fit right in with the ELCA. They are apostate as well.

7 posted on 08/20/2009 10:52:20 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: loveliberty2
"Well, so much for the “separation of church and state” mantra from the Left! Guess that takes care of that!!!"

That "separation of church and state" stuff only applies to Republicans and Conservatives.

8 posted on 08/20/2009 10:53:30 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: 84rules
How can this man CLAIM to be a GOD's PARTNER in health care matters when he, his glorious self, sponsored a BILL in the ILLINOIS STATE SENATE when he was a State Senator there, stating that little babies that survive late term abortions should be left alone, without comfort or food, to die. PERIOD.

I want this monster that lives in our White House with his classless and clueless wife and children to get his ugly attitude, his racist arrogance and his creepy thinking as FAR AWAY from our health care system as is humanly possible to get him.

He is a man who has a BLACK HOLE where his heart should be and a hammer and sickle where his brain should be.

9 posted on 08/20/2009 11:34:35 AM PDT by Republic
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To: Republic
This definitely goes beyond anything authorized by the Constitution, the states, or We the People.

Seems to me Herod was struck by angel and eaten by worms for less audacity.


10 posted on 08/30/2009 12:23:08 PM PDT by holden
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