Frederick Douglas...
Posted on 09/19/2009 5:53:24 PM PDT by Wife of D28Man
Freepers, I write to ask your help on behalf of a good man, a courageous man, who is torn by a community that may finally be awakening to Democrat perfidy. He - and I suspect there are many like him - needs to know that he is not alone; that others walk the same road; that there is a wealth of information and support to guide him through the challenges he faces.
Harold is a black man who has risen from the depths of poverty and drug addiction and its associated pathologies. Today he is happily married with a couple of healthy, happy children; he and his wife enjoy all the benefits of the successful middle class. For several years he has been a powerful force in the drug program of our church, leading numerous addicts out of a life of despair into recovery.
Harold is a conservative. He did not vote for Obama, and he is strongly opposed to the President's policies. But his roots are deeply Democrat. He says that it is axiomatic: If you are black and poor, you are a Democrat. His head and his faith are in terrible confict with the political DNA of his birth and primary community.
There is no doubt in my mind that Harold will emerge victorious from this struggle. But I am asking for your help in strengthening him for the turmoil he is facing. Please weigh in with resources (e.g. Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Shelby Steele) and/or personal experiences in dealing with a black community that still does not fully realize the it is bound by Democrat shackles and that holds conservatives in contempt.
God bless you for reaching out to this good man.
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If party affiliation is that important to him, remind him MLK was a republican.
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...Nothing could be further from the hard, ugly truth.
The system it seems has ruined a lot of minorities. I remember the 1st time going to Hawaii, and coming to a ‘ghetto’ like compound, where all of the Islanders got free health care and learned the gub’mint would take care of them, like the gub’mint did on the Indian Reservations. So it isn’t ETHNIC genes, but the systems we put them under that caused them to be co dependent. I have had several friends who grew up in Western Africa, Senegal, Nigeria..there was a deep pride about their etnic roots, not so much insecurity... they sometimes had more in common with the uppity people and not much with the welfare crowd. I worked in social services and spent many days filing claims for the poor at food stamp offices, and believe me, there comes a time you have to just accept the words of Jesus. THE POOR THERE WILL ALWAYS BE AMONG YOU. Sometimes people just don’t make an effort when things become painful.
He needs to watch the two videos below. It will not only make him proud of his heritage it will SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT. He’s been lied to for too long.
http://server.depardeux.com/~nmatvco/view_video.php?viewkey=6fb0a03bb19f2d8d9524
http://server.depardeux.com/~nmatvco/view_video.php?viewkey=9336a670e36d0ed79bc4
You may want to add Alan Keyes, Walter Williams and Starr Parker for recommended reading. Some emerging names include Ercille Christmas and Bob Parks.
I’m sorry; my bad. Harold is not a Democrat. He is free. But just as he is a recovered drug addict ministering to drug addicts, so too is he a conservative surrounded by brothers still in the throes of Democrat addictions. He needs the same kind of support the rest of us needed before 9/12 showed us that we were not alone.
Tell him to rent Cadillac Records and pay close attention to what Howlin’ Wolf says to Muddy Waters when they first meet...
Please get some of the information available on this website
http://joshuastrail.org/home.htm
Elder Dr. Levon R. Yuille is an amazing speaker and has tons of information about how the Democrat party is bad for the Black community.
Look in the editorials.
Thank you. Your prayers will mean a lot to him. He himself is about to become a pastor.
I was a resistered Democrat until Clinton did that “don’t ask, don’t tell” thing. Sometimes it take something like that to open a person’s eyes.
To thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Wm Shakespeare
Many Democrats and Republicans have gone and are going nonpolitical. See Vaclav Havel (Czechoslovakian revolution against Russia) and “nonpolitical politics.” It can be done without violence or illegal actions.
The Democrats have been part of the same establishment for elites for at least nearly two decades.
Send him here:
www.ragingelephants.org/mission
I can’t offer anything more than prayers for strength and wisdom, so that is what I’ll do.
Thank you - terrific resource.
We have been living under a fascist oligarchy/plutarchy for a long time, BTW. The jobs aren’t coming back, unless we starve the beast (avoid buying anything that we don’t need, get self-sufficient), leave the plantation and start our own production efforts. Buy a cheap parcel of land in a rural area.
Oops. We have been living under a fascist oligarchy/plutocracy, even.
You have mail.
The three thinkers you mentioned are a great start.
But my main suggestion would be that he need not find “black conservatives” to support him. That is a trap of leftism and liberalism and it’s called identify politics.
Your friend has risen above the Self and the identity-politics of the Self. That is why he is a conservative. His beliefs are based on more universal principles that have been tried and proved as far back as the Attic Greek roots of Western Civilization.
Reassure him that identity politics are INTENDED TO DIVIDE and that it was a scheme put into full force by Soviet-backed communists in academe.
People debate whether Jesus was a conservative or liberal. Two points of his teachings and ministry that no honest Christian can deny are these:
1. His teachings were about (after Grace, of course) rising above the Self and selfish issues.
2. He was all-inclusive. If you believe in Him, then Grace is for you...regardless of all other aspects of your life.
I won’t go into the particular universal principles of Conservative thought other than to offer this analogy:
A man who is dependent upon handouts from others for his own survival is no different than addict who is dependent upon his junkie.
Christ frees us from the world and from our sin and frees us UNTO truly independent thought and action...not “group think,” and especially not identity politics.
Interestingly enough, most African Americans can trace their roots to Western Africans.
Oh no problem at all.
I wish they had podcasts or you could listen on the radio to Joshua’s Trail.
It’s a great show!
Here’s the website to the local station that plays it. You can listen live on Saturday mornings.
http://radiotime.com/station/s_22119/WDTK_1400.aspx
I love it and listen every Saturday. They are funny and informative.
Start a support web site for black conservatives, if there are none.
http://blackconservative.ning.com/
http://anotherblackconservative.blogspot.com/2009/09/van-jones-i-am-not-911-truther-i-just.html
Fixed.
don't forget Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Lloyd Marcus, or Zo.
Thank you. I dismissed your suggestion at first because I went to .com r/than .org/mission - I apologize. It is an excellent site and I appreciate your taking the time to post it.
I’m a conservative black man who found my way out of the labyrinth of liberal lies in my early 40’s. I can relate to what your friend is going through.
A person has no idea how strong a lifetime of liberal conditioning and indoctrination is, until they actually fight their way clear of it, through the process of education and enlightenment.
Liberal indoctrination is quite powerful, and prevents most blacks from discovering the simple truths of their condition and the truth of what America really is. Outside of the institution of slavery, liberal indoctrination is the most insidious and despicable crime ever committed against black Americans.
I’d even argue that the covert and destructive mental conditioning that liberalism inflicts on blacks is even worse than the old Jim Crow laws of our grand parents’ day, because it causes blacks to unwittingly destroy themselves and their communities, through the adoption of evil concepts like blaming others for one’s condition and refusing responsibility for one’s own actions.
Through drumming in these concepts, liberalism lowers expectations amongst blacks, and diminishes their capacity to take charge of their own lives and standard of living.
Liberalism convinces blacks that they are powerless against invisible forces which are “keeping them down”, and that they need the help of white liberals, particularly in government to assist them to achieve “justice” of all sorts.
When blacks fail to rise to even the most average levels of human achievement, they’re persuaded to insist on handicaps, such as affirmative action, and societal bars are lowered across the boards to accommodate their reduced performance.
Those who give the least to the wider community are given every possible assistance and largesse, while those who actively seek to be worthy, productive citizens are forced through the power of the state to be unwilling accomplices in this crime.
These acts do nothing to elevate these people, and in fact, they simply reinforce their trained-in disabilities. This also injures every person in the society who must now accept the outright theft of their hard-earned money, and accept the reduced quality of services rendered by those who’ve been artificially advanced in this way.
In time, that reduced quality of service and performance contaminates whatever environment it’s being practiced in, and the overall quality and integrity of that activity drops.
I once heard that “If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, but teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.”
Conservatism is very much based on this premise, and it works. Liberalism is based on the exact reverse, and does not work, but over time, drives the entire population into beggar status, as none will fish lest their catch be forcibly taken from them to feed the indigent.
This is liberalism. This is Socialism. Unfortunately, it’s also the core belief of today’s Democrat party.
I feel that your friend is seeing the first glimmers of light beyond the guard towers. Tell him that the light is real, and that he should move with all due haste toward it, no matter the cost.
best,
Windflier
First off, for me, the measure of any man is: does he stand and deliver? It sound like this guy does every but of that. Secondly, one needs to internalize that truth - if your waiting for other to validate you , you’ll be waiting a long, long time. Third, maybe first, get rooted your identity as a believer - who do we serve (man or God)? Finally, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember, remember . . . before the Democrats became the party of “compassion” to black folks, they were the party of the KKK and Jim Crow. The RATs were the racist party embedded in politics all the way up untill FDR and beyond in the South. However, when LBJ annd the rest of the klan figured out the power to be had by implementing “poverty programs” they focussed on reducing black America into dependents and voters for their own gain.
Time to stand up and count.
Thanks for the clarification. I wondered what I was missing.
If he really wants to see how much a black man can dislike Barack Obama, show him the Reverend Manning videos.
Some years ago when President Bush and that body builder who is now a leftist greenie creep were in Santa Monica, many of us went to support them. The Code Pinkos and other insane lefties were there to protest.
After the event, a number of us had dinner together. Homeless activist Ted Hayes, who happens to be black, spoke to us and told the following (paraphrasing):
I was a Democrat because I was born black. But I was surrounded by people who were always whining and complaining and blaming others. They were lazy and just wanted things given to them. Then I started hanging around with some Republicans. They were friendly, courteous, upbeat, positive, hard working and they wanted everyone to succeed. I realized I’m a Republican.
The “first” black ballplayer in Boston Red Sox history - the LAST team in MLB to integrate, ironically, was Jerry “Pumpsie” Green who played a few short and unremarkable years and was out of baseball entirely before he was 30, He can be found, though, in all of the history books because he was a “first” in what was considered a bigoted organization.
Ironically, Pumpsie had a brother, Cornell, who was a tremendous athlete, the 5 time Pro-Bowler for the Dallas Cowboys. He made five Pro Bowls at two different positions - cornerback and strong safety. Green never missed a game in 13 seasons with the Cowboys (1962-74) and played 168 games, including 145 consecutive starts for the Cowboys between 1962-1974.
Absent Obama’s general collegiate records, indicating his course work, written grade scores and SAT’s etc., we don’t know how smart this guy is ... but I’m going out on a limb and saying he is more like Pumpsie Green than Cornell Green...he’s just the “first” to come along...
Anybody, even someone of little talent can become famous and be a “first” or a celebrity...but the guy who shows up on game day and straps it on is the guy who will be remembered for being someone special.
Thank you, Windflier. As you broke out of that political conditioning, did you experience any racial identity confusion? We hear about hardworking black students being scorned as “trying to be white” and we witnessed the excoriation of Clarence Thomas by the black community - did you run into any of that kind of prejudice? And do you have a strong sense of community as a conservative now? I guess I’m really asking: Does being a conservative mean giving up some part of your racial heritage?
Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger's creation, exists to wipe out "undesirables," which in their world includes Blacks. To stand by while people are wiped out like that - people made in the image and likeness of God -- um, that's pretty bad.
What you have written applies to all people. We don’t need to live in hopelessness.
BTTT
Must watch.
Frederick Douglas...
Wow! Thank you.
Proof that Satan lives and breathes. If you look back through history, the demonrats were black Americans' worst enemy.
I asked a history teacher at UNC why she thought blacks have such loyalty for the democrats when it was the Republicans who fought the Civil war to end slavery and then fought to recognize civil rights for all while the demonrats fought the Republicans to keep things they way they were.
She said the Republicans figured blacks could take care of themselves once slavery was abolished and didn't do enough to help, but the democrats were the ones who handed out the money and support.
They still do, but what is the cost? The "great society" did a number on the black family. No matter what the demonrats say, look at what they do. They're the kind of evil with a firm grip in a silk glove that never lets go.
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