One thing really interesting is a comment where Leo responds to a poster.
"If the COLB is in the public domain without challenge does that constitute a waving of privacy rights for the COLB or the long form BC ?"
[ed. absolutely.]
So if Obama released the phony COLB from Hawaii then the privacy rights have been waved? Leo says yes?
we can only hope and pray!
More interesting comments & Leo’s response:
Note I am not trying to jack content from Leo’s site just trying to get more exposure because Leo and TerriK are digging up more and more in the sewer known as HI.
Heide said; “Fortunately, HI is a small state with only 5 counties. All counties would have to be checked.”
“Since the COLB identifies Honolulu as the County of Birth, that should be the only register that would need to be checked. If no such entry exists, it likely did not occur.”
[ed. that’s right...]
Leo’s says there is an expedited process by statute to get to the info. 2 ladies in the office there took time off to duck TerriK’s requests???
IIRC, even the COLB was faked, and also not sourced to Obama or his campaign. If that's true, then nothing has been released to "the public domain" that can be used to argue from.
“If the COLB is in the public domain without challenge does that constitute a waving of privacy rights for the COLB or the long form BC ?”
[ed. absolutely.]
That is my ? you are referencing
I was just reading this at Leo’s site:
From poster BHO BOO posted today at 7:08pm
(snip)
Further, Hawaii has changed a lot of its requirements/stipulations. First it said that a COLB was insufficient for Native distinction. Now, that suffices.
Second, an article today states that COLBs are the ONLY thing that Hawaii will provide (short forms).
So, I called the US Passport Office in Honolulu: They will not accept COLBs as identification to obtain a passport.
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
Frantzie - do you remember reading about a researcher who filed a FOIA with USCIS to recover records of Barry Soetoro, Lolo Soetoro, and Stanley Ann Soetoro?
I’m trying to chase down the source for that info. Anyone?
This is very encouraging stuff. I hope Leo keeps the pressure on.
As I’ve said before, and others have pointed out, I think the Hawaiian authorities are running scared, for several reasons:
1. Because they don’t want to get caught out in lies.
2. Because they don’t want Obama coming down on top of them.
3. Because in the past they have manufactured fake COLBs in massive numbers, as part of a plot to get more welfare funds streaming into Hawaii, as well as to make a stream of Asian imigrants into citizens who will reliably vote Democrat. It’s much the same as what has been done with the illegals in California, only it started earlier.
If they faked Obama’s BC, then how many others have they faked? That can’t be a comfortable question for them to be confronted with.
And yet Fukino refuses to verify the authenticity of that Obama COLB that is published at his website and DailyKos.
Can they be reminded what falsifying documents or covering the falsification of official documents, can cost them, criminally speaking? You guys are good, I’m sure all that’s been thought of but pressure from below is GOOD, particularly when it meets pressure from ABOVE.
“Consider Dr. Fukino and her support staff. Is it fair for them to be embattled this way? For months they have been daily besieged by the conspiracy theorist whackos who have irresponsibly ignored the simple facts and continue to senselessly badger the Department of Health personnel, crushing those innocent civil servants beneath a wave of endless clamoring for the mythical secret records they just know will prove a foreign usurper was vaunted into office by a seething, decades-old, nefarious international conspiracy. Until the nutjobs are fined or disciplined, the the DoH officials will never be able to return to the jobs they are being paid to do.”
“Why must he continue to subject them to agonizing over releasing cryptic public statements about him? Why must he keep forcing them to somehow weather the gathering storm of civilians and soldiers who are confused about why the man-who-has-nothing-to-hide will not provide open access to his simple long-form birth certificate and other vital records on file with the State of Hawaii? Why must they wrangle endlessly about what they can and can’t say, constantly soliciting costly legal advice and always worrying about contradicting established standards or else creating unwanted precedents for the future? Why does our president have no compassion for these public servants given the excruciating plight he has disinterestedly unleashed against them? Why does he hate them so? Why?”
waived
Wave is what we do when Obama flies home to Hawaii? Kenya? Indonesia?
Most likely it’s not phony. What makes this possible is Fukino’s statment that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen. Which he isn’t. Because she made that statment, all the documents that she used to make that determination are now available to the People through UIPA requests, by HAWAIIAN STATE LAW and the DoH is breaking that law by refusing to release them.
HAha! Thats the Gotcha!
So he says. It does seem that a piece of paper, relatively easy to forge, since it's just a computer print out with a raised seal and stamped signauture, should be verifiable. At a minimum they should be able to tell you if one was issued for the person named on the date of the stamp. But better yet, since one could order one, and then stamp the fake with the date of the real one, would be the ability to verify the information.
I can think of several ways that could be done, and still maintain the *general* privacy of the information. For instance putting a serial number on the document, and if you have the document, with the serial number they should be able to verify the information. After all the whole purpose of the thing is to prove some facts about ones birth to some third party. Generally that place and date of birth. Because you are often proving your citizenship (and thus right to work or hold a particular position) or your age, since some jobs require one to be over a certain age. Since this was offered as proof of natural born citizenship, other information, most of it and then some, would be needed. For example even for citizenship, the State Department will not take an abstract (short) form that shows a filing date more than a year after the birth. Why, because it's indicative of various schemes used to fraudulently claim citizenship. It's not proof, but it is one indication. Of course the fraud could be there anyway and would have occurred near the time of birth, with the false filing of a "home birth" certificate somewhat later than the true birth date.