[thecodont]

I dug out a couple of family marriage certificates to check:

Nevada: no listing of "bride" or "groom" -- names of the parties only

Pennsylvania: no listing of "bride" or "groom -- names of the parties only

If not even a marriage certificate lists "bride" and "groom" and these labels are not found anywhere on a Hawaiian birth certificate, then I don't know what Fukino is trying to communicate.

[BP2]

If not even a marriage certificate lists “bride” and “groom” and these labels are not found anywhere on a Hawaiian birth certificate, then I don't know what Fukino is trying to communicate.

I've seen some state marriage APPLICATIONS and CERTIFICATES that say "bride" and "groom", but now in the day of gay marriage, it normally says “party” or is blank.

We really would need to see a marriage certificate from Hawaii 1960s to determine what would have been the norm.

Fukino has NOT been helpful in this whole ordeal - I can't see why she'd suddenly start. I DO see her trying to “help” Obama by adding that there was a “Bride” and “Groom”, trying to bolster her proclamation to the world that he is a “natural born American citizen.”

I'm thinking of several possibilities:

- Ann Dunham and Barack SR applied for a marriage LICENSE when she discovered she was pregnant (circa Dec 60 - Feb 61), but never followed through with it, perhaps after she found out that Obama SR was married back in Kenya. To avoid having a "fatherless" bastard child, she filed what she had when Obama was born with the state up to a year after birth as state law allows - ergo, bride/groom ... vs husband/wife or mother/father

- the marriage did NOT take place in Hawaii, which is why no record can be found in Hawaii . In lieu of a Hawaii Marriage Certificate, I can see a Clerk in the 1960s accepting a signed affidavit that she could have forged with Obama SR's name as proof of marriage. That same document could have been used for the 1964 divorce, and later if she applied for Welfare, as she chose not to request child support in the both the '64 and '80 Divorce filings.

- an adoption or name change, where the Marriage Certificate/Application/Affidavit is sealed with the rest of the trial paperwork with the Hawaii Family Court. Obama JR could have been born Barack Hussein Dunham or something similar. If there was an associated name change to Barrack Hussein Obama II, all of those records would be sealed as Statute and Hawaii Family Court Rules require.

- and many other variations.

An important note:
IF the Dept of Health is NOW so forthcoming with Birth Record INDEX data via UIPA requests, perhaps we should make some more requests - starting with the Nordyke twins to see if their Birth Record INDEX says they have a “bride” and “groom” vs. a "mother and father" (MY bet is on the latter):

Name	Location of Birth	Birth Cert #	Date/Time Born
Barack Hussein Obama II	Kapiolani Medical Center	151-61-10641	Aug. 4, 1961 7:24 pm
Susan Elizabeth Nordyke	Kapiolani Medical Center	151-61-10637	Aug. 5, 1961 2:12 pm
Gretchen Carter Nordyke	Kapiolani Medical Center	151-61-10638	Aug. 5, 1961 2:17 pm

Name	Location of Birth	Birth Cert #	Date/Time Born
Barack Hussein Obama II	Kapiolani Medical Center	151-61-10641	Aug. 4, 1961 7:24 pm
Susan Elizabeth Nordyke	Kapiolani Medical Center	151-61-10637	Aug. 5, 1961 2:12 pm
Gretchen Carter Nordyke	Kapiolani Medical Center	151-61-10638	Aug. 5, 1961 2:17 pm

[El Gato]

If not even a marriage certificate lists "bride" and "groom"

What about a marriage license? It sounds more appropriate for the license. In some states the license becomes the certificate, but at least today, in Hawaii, they are two different documents.

[curiosity]

If not even a marriage certificate lists "bride" and "groom" and these labels are not found anywhere on a Hawaiian birth certificate, then I don't know what Fukino is trying to communicate.

Different states have different labels on marriage certificates. Washington State has bride and groom. It's pretty likely Hawaii has the same.

The most logical explanation to what is going on is that Obuko misunderstood the request and thought she was being asked for index data on Obama and his parents. The only index data she had for his parents were related to their marraige, and so that is what she released.

This is all much ado about nothing.