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To: Danae
Good rant, as far as it goes. Personally, I would have been delighted had McCain been thrown out of the race early on because he was born in a hospital in Panama, not in the confines of the U.S. Canal Zone.

But there is still no argument whatsoever that McCain's father and mother were both U.S. citizens and that McCain was born while his father was on active duty serving his country.

This makes the location of McCain's birth a mere technicality. The law would make him a natural born U.S. Citizen anyway because both parents were U.S. Citizens and registered his birth within the allowed time frame after he was born.

Likewise, my daughter born in Japan is a natural born U.S. Citizen because we, her parents, both went to the embassy in Tokyo within the required timeframe to (1)prove our U.S. Citizenship (passports),(2)our marriage (marriage certificate), (3)her live birth (Japanese birth certificate) and (4)present her in person with a matching photo on a U.S. Passport application.

All of these things produce records and a paper trail, not unlike the process which was available to Obama's parents when he was born in the 1960's. And, yet, my daughter can produce all of the aforementioned documents and Obama can or will produce none of them save for an abbreviated certificate of live birth (web edition) from the State of Hawaii which may or may not be genuine.

5 posted on 10/18/2009 1:06:10 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

How many times....You need two US Citizen Parents, and be born on US soil to be a Natural Born Citizen. McCain didn’t and neither does your Daughter.


12 posted on 10/18/2009 1:18:21 PM PDT by plenipotentiary (Obama was a BRITISH SUBJECT at birth, passed to him via Pops, can't be NBC)
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To: Vigilanteman

It’s not just a technicality.

Otherwise you end up in the subjective realm of... ok , how long can a kid live overseas before having ties to the soil he was born on? What majority of a persona early life has to be lived in a given area before becoming bonded to that area. It is far easier to make the distinction at birth and have it stand. Citizenship is decided at BIRTH legally. No other time. That is the instant where it is decided, and that technicality matters.

Also, your daughter, unless she was born on a US Military base, would not be a Natural Born Citizen. A citizen yes, but Natural Born, I am afraid not. I am not pointing this out to make you wrong or to in any denigrate you or your daughter. In order for her to have definitive US Citizenship status at the laws of the time she was born, likely you did have to do all that to secure her US passport and any other documents you needed at the time. I don’t know when she was born, so I can’t say specifically.

What I have been researching are the laws at the time of Obama’s birth. Which at that time, would mean that both he, and your daughter (if she were born in 61) mean that they are not Natural Born Citizens. You must have two parents who are citizens and be born on the soil of the country or its territory.


31 posted on 10/18/2009 2:09:31 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Vigilanteman

There have been multiple bills in the Senate, seeking a Constitutional amendment, in order to have children born abroad of parents serving in the U.S. military considered natural-born citizens, Vigilanteman.

The matter is easily researchable, via your favorite search engine.

S .2678, sponsored by Democrat Claire McCaskill, in 2008, was one.

Another was S. 2128, sponsored by former Republican Senator Don Nickles, in 2004.

These many bills proposing Constitutional amendment, would not have been necessary, if what you contend is true.


59 posted on 10/18/2009 6:43:43 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Vigilanteman
This makes the location of McCain's birth a mere technicality. The law would make him a natural born U.S. Citizen anyway because both parents were U.S. Citizens and registered his birth within the allowed time frame after he was born.

Unfortunately filing those papers makes one a citizen, but not a natural born one. Unless you or your wife were serving in the military or the diplomatic corps, or otherwise in the employ of the nation, then McCain's case is different. Both Blackstone's "Laws of England" and Vattel's "Law of Nations" (neither is the full title) have exceptions covering the case of someone serving the country abroad. But if you're just there on some commercial venture, or just as tourists, the child is a citizen at birth, but not natural born, since their citizenship depend on a law passed by Congress.

68 posted on 10/18/2009 10:37:32 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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