Posted on 11/04/2009 5:57:31 AM PST by PurpleMountains
There is a fight going on for the soul of the Republican Party, and the Tea Party protestors are its face. We are not going to be swayed by pleas not to rock tthe boat. We are not going to stop until the Republican leadership embraces candidates who will fight for smaller government, less regulation and a balanced budget. As I said in an earlier post, we may lose some battles, but we are out to win the war.
Our tent is big enough to accomodate those with different social views, but when a competent conservative is running in a primary against a RINO, the RNC better not support the RINO. I reached this level of outrage when the RNC supported a liberal, Chafee, who voted with Democrats most of the time, against a successful conservative mayor in the Rhode Island primary.
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What I dont understand is how 6% of the people voted for a candidate who was not running anymore
idiots
It was still a great showing for Hoffman, and we exposed and got rid of a RINO- she will never damage the republicans again
A goal needs to be to change the leadership. Rinos in charge will support Rinos every time - why go through the headache of fighting the Rino candidate multiple times rather than just change the leasdership to comeone who will get behind the Conservative candidate from the outset?
Some of the 6% were probably the “R” equivalent of Yellow-dog Democrats, some were people who hadn’t heard she dropped out, but many were probably absentee ballots that were sent in prior to her withdrawal.
Call me skeptical. Owen’s margin of victory was just 9% of the 43,000 votes ACORN created fraudulently for Franken in MN in 2008.
Straight ticket non thinking voters.
In my district one of those seeking the GOP nomination for next year’s election is the democrat who lost in 06.
*cough* angry women *cough*
*cough* angry homosexuals *cough*
The RNC needs to get out of the Primary-funding business.
What you have to do to change the party leadership is go get involved in your local GOP. Stick around for a while and find like-minded real conservatives. Take the party back to take the country back.
It is not easy and it is not just waving a flag at a protest. You have to go do stuff that works.
Did Doug Hoffman live in the 23 District?
I've heard twice that he did not. Originally thought it was just the Dims, but it was just repeated on FOX a minute ago.
One thing this race showed is how the Demopublicans will unite in a solid front against third parties.
Bill Owens Dem. 63,496 49.3%
Doug Hoffman Con. 58,161 45.2
Dede Scozzafava Rep. 7,137 5.5
92% of votes counted - Doug down 5335
It should be considered that the RNC bluebloods may have encouraged Scozzafava to endorse Owens, while at the last minute throwing their “support” to Hoffman. The reason for doing this is obvious. Provide RINO’s and David Brooks types with the talking points they need to attack conservatives for driving moderates from the party. Also, essentially tell conservatives who is boss and give them the bird.
He did, but then it got gerrymandered recently and he is now out.
IIRC, he did not live in the district after the lines were redrawn. His businesss still is. (article somewhere on FR, but many articles about this election)
Indeed. I wonder if the GOP directed Scozzafava to throw her support to the Demonrat. Certainly the Pub establishment would rather lose the seat altogether than let it be taken by some unruly upstart.
We won big here..........we kept a lib rino out of the race, and kept the final results to within 4 points with a third party candidate....if the repub leadership does not, or refuses to see the light here, then they are truly clueless and deserve to twist in the wind, while wailing in the dark......
No, Hoffman lived outside the district. Perhaps voters resented that. Who knows.
“What you have to do to change the party leadership is go get involved in your local GOP. Stick around for a while and find like-minded real conservatives. Take the party back to take the country back.”
This is so true. It takes some time to figure out that a lot of the county and state leaders are just talk-talk conservatives. When it comes to selecting candidates, the always rationalize the RINO.
It also takes some backbone; because you have to lead a little revolt against people who have been running things for 25 years. You don’t make many friends that way.
Exactly!
now we need to purge the NY 23 local GOP.
the woman who pushed for scuzzyfazza should be forced to resign or forced out.
Steele should resign IMMEDIATLY.
This is the RUSH story.
This is the Beck story.
The MSM will not cover this fact of life. Instead they are doing nothing but reading talking points.
Don’t think so. I wish Doug hadn’t conceded so early and waited for the last vote to be counted. The Hoffman campaign reported on Monday - lots of ‘unknown’ characters were coming into the area and they wanted volunteers. Just feel something is not right.
this was NOT about third parties.
This was action AGAINST NON INSIDERS.
country club for the country club.
Hoffman will be a money raiser and the RNC will want to use him to raise money for other candidates.
Absolutely. They cannot just let it be!
Scozzafava actually did us a huge favor by showing her true colors and that RINOs are really stealth Rats and cannot be trusted.
our point is not made until the NY23 GOP leadership is purged.
What is their names?
who was scuzzy’s supporter?
“Did Doug Hoffman live in the 23 District?”
He does not. He used to but was taken out with redistricting about 8 years ago.
I’m torn over this whole thing. I’m in NY-29 that lost its R congressman last year after he voted for TARP and that awful farm bill. Of course that seems like nothing compared to what we got in his place, a liberal D who votes with Pelosi and has publicly stated he will vote for the public option even though his constituents don’t want government run health care. And this is the most conservative district in NY.
While I agree that the Republican party needs to return to first principles, I think many may be underestimating the need for political coalitions, like Reagan clearly recognized the need for. The short term alternative is that we end up with reps that don’t represent us at all and one more log on the fire for Pelosi and her liberal agenda.
it is still a win for conservatism as we knocked off the out and out liberal pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage RINO.
I challange you for the most conservative district....I am in NY22.
we had a democrat candidate who handed out flyers with no mention that he was a Democrat. I suspected something amiss and he was listed on the Democrat line on my voting machine. guess he was just ashamed that he was a democrat this year. LMAO! now THAT is a good sign of a conservative district.
You’re underestimating the ability of the RNC to learn the wrong lesson from this.
Indeed it is a conservative district when the Democrat doesn’t want to state his party affiliation, and yours just might have my district beat for the most conservative.
I’m sure the guy I have now was voter backlash over TARP and people weren’t thinking about what we’d get instead.
I really just wanted to point out that we can win battles with the party establishment, but end up losing real war against socialism if we we don’t do this right. No body won in NY-23 last night, and knowing what it’s like to have a liberal as a rep, I think the people in NY-23 lost big.
I dunno about that. A FReeper last night commented that this part of NY may include a lot of folks who resented the intrusion of "national" politicians into their local politics ... I don't know if that's actually true, but it sounds right.
On that theory, the 6% who went for Scozzafava may well have done so intentionally; and others may well have stayed home.
If the party has the wit nominate Hoffman in 2010, he wins.
Maybe. I suspect not, if he gets "nationalized" again. That probably wouldn't go over well a second time.
upon full disclosure, I have Maurice Hinchey.........who said he didn’t need to hold town hall meetings as he already knew we wanted healthcare reform. riiiight.
my town and county are republican.
A very good point. It is one thing to win an internecine battle within a political party, but it's a whole other ballgame to win en election. It's not going to do us much good if we can win nominating contests but die in the general election. We'll still be on the outs. We need to get candidates who first support our positions but then can articulate it well and be appealing to the independent voters who more often than not decide elections like this. The fact that we lost a seat that has been held by a 'Pub for a century or so is an illustration of why we should avoid these fratricidal and ultimately suicidal battles.
I agree. ;)
It depends on how ruthlessly RINO your county is. In Manhattan, for instance, you would have to support many candidates whom you disagree with in order to stay around, which kind of defeats the purpose. If there are already some conservatives on board, you might have a better chance.
If she had been elected she'd be the 23rd’s Arlen Specter for life.
“If you plug in DeDe’s name into any spot in what you wrote it would fit.
If she had been elected she’d be the 23rd’s Arlen Specter for life.”
Your point is taken. But it isn’t really about DeDe. We think RINOs are a real problem, and they are, but Libs are the real enemy and with whom we have the ultimate quarrel.
DeDe was going to be filling a vacant seat and would have had to be reelected next year along with the rest, and she did pledge to do certain things we wanted. Instead of having the bloodbath the week before the special election and fracturing the vote, she could have been challenged in the primary.
But some chose to do battle now, many of whom don’t even live in the state let alone the district, and the Democrat, who will most likely be one of Pelosi’s puppies won the seat after garnering less than half the votes.
Chalk one up for conservatives against party bosses, but freedom lost, at least for now.
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