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Despite Cloture Win, ObamaCare Still has a Long Way to Go to Become Reality - Step by Step
Freedom's Lighthouse ^ | November 21, 2009 | BrianinMO

Posted on 11/21/2009 6:14:32 PM PST by Federalist Patriot

Democrats succeeded tonight in winning the first cloture vote on the Senate Health Care Bill which allows it to move forward to an debate / amendment phase. But Martin Gold and Tom Curry spell out just how far "ObamaCare" has to go before it becomes a reality. It's a longer road than I understood, and than you may think:

With the Senate having approved a motion to proceed to debate on the health insurance overhaul, legislation is still far from being signed into law. Here's what happens next:

Step 1
Senators debate the bill and offer amendments to change or remove provisions they oppose, or to add provisions.

Step 2
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell may come to an agreement on the number of amendments to be offered and the time allocated for debate.

If they don't reach an accord, Reid may use parliamentary devices to limit the number of amendments.

In 2008, Reid used a procedural tactic called "filling the tree" more than 20 times to block Republican amendments.

Step 3
Senate rules allow for unlimited debate in most cases.

Prolonged debate in order to force changes in a bill or to scuttle a bill is called a "filibuster."

Step 4
The Senate votes on a motion to bring debate to an end. This is called "invoking cloture."

If three-fifths of the senators (60 senators) vote for the cloture motion, debate must last no more than an additional 30 hours.

Step 5

The Senate votes on final passage of its bill. A simple majority is sufficient to pass the bill.

Step 6
House and Senate leaders meet to resolve differences between the bill passed by the House and the one passed by the Senate.

Step 7
House and Senate leaders appoint a conference committee of several members from each body to reconcile the two bills.

Important bills are frequently rewritten in conference, or killed because the conferees fail to settle their differences.

Meetings of the conference committee are often secret.

Step 8
Senators opposed to the bill may filibuster the motion to create a conference committee.

A cloture vote would be needed to stop the filibuster.

Step 9
If the conferees resolve their differences, they issue what is called a "conference report" -- the final version of the legislation.

Step 10
The conference report is debated in the House and in the Senate. It cannot be amended.

Step 11
Senators opposed to the conference report can filibuster it.
A cloture vote would be needed to stop the filibuster.

Step 12

In the House, Republican members opposed to the conference report can offer a "motion to re-commit," essentially one last-chance vote to kill or amend the bill.

Step 13
Each chamber votes on approval of the conference report.
If approved, the legislation goes to the president for his signature or veto.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: cloture; obamacare

1 posted on 11/21/2009 6:14:34 PM PST by Federalist Patriot
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To: Federalist Patriot

Thank you. I’m sick to death of the woe is me posts.

The fight is a long way from over and I’m not done yet.


2 posted on 11/21/2009 6:18:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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“In 2008, Reid used a procedural tactic called ‘filling the tree’ more than 20 times to block Republican amendments.”

Well, he’ll use it ‘seventy times seven’ this time around.

Elections matter, Folks. *SHRUG*

I’m not giving up hope, though. God will see us through, even if he has to hit us upside the head with something like this from time to time. :)


3 posted on 11/21/2009 6:19:08 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (We have a Pisher in Chief!)
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To: cripplecreek

I have to admit that yesterday I thought it would be practically over if we lost this cloture vote tonight. But seeing the long process still ahead, there could be as many as three more cloture votes before Obama could sign ObamaCare into law. Two of those would come even after the Senate passed a bill.

The Democrats would have to be able to hold all 60 of their votes to pass any or all of those cloture votes. With Lieberman already saying he will vote against any bill that increases the debt or has a Public Option, that won’t be easy for them. The abortion division could also be a problem depending on what is in the final bill.


4 posted on 11/21/2009 6:21:46 PM PST by Federalist Patriot
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To: cripplecreek

Agree, but I’m still concerned and scared. Hoping it fails somehow!


5 posted on 11/21/2009 6:21:49 PM PST by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: cripplecreek

It’s nice to see someone spell out all the steps remaining before this inane bill can become law. Tonight was a loss, but there is still a long road ahead.

Will the Dems. be able to keep all 60 together for future cloture votes; that is a key question. I thought Joe Lieberman said he would be with Republicans on a filibuster if a bill included the public option, for example.

I see that both Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe voted with the rest of the Republicans tonight. So that’s good news. Aren’t there a few other moderate Republican senators we’ve been concerned about too? If all 40 Republicans stick together, that will force Democrats to keep every single one of their members walking the political plank at every step.

Tonight’s vote is just one step of many.


6 posted on 11/21/2009 6:24:43 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Federalist Patriot

My post duplicated a lot of what you said; I didn’t read yours before commenting.

I just want to add, that, in the House vote, Nancy Pelosi was able to pick and choose which Democrats were allowed to vote “no” to give them political cover as they run for re-election. Since they have a big majority in the House, with no filibuster type rules, she could afford to lose a number of Democrats and still pass the bill. But in the Senate, the Republicans can force ALL Democrats to stand up and vote for this thing in roll call votes.


7 posted on 11/21/2009 6:29:51 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

That’s right. A very good point. Let’s hope some of these Dems in conservative states will really get the heat while home for Thanksgiving. That could make a difference when they come back after the holiday - Landrieu, Lincoln, Nelson, Bayh, McCaskill


8 posted on 11/21/2009 6:32:14 PM PST by Federalist Patriot
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To: Federalist Patriot

14. The Supreme Court will say, “There’s nothing in the Bill of Rights that guarantees the “right” to health care; and that the Congress has usurped powers not granted to it by the Constitution.


9 posted on 11/21/2009 6:33:17 PM PST by rbosque (10 year Freeper!)
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To: Halls
Agree, but I’m still concerned and scared.

You would be a fool if you weren't. Trust me, I know about fighting against all odds, I'm a lifelong Michigan resident and have no intent on giving up and leaving my home. The only way I leave Michigan is toes up and in a bag. The state and nation are both worth the fight.
10 posted on 11/21/2009 6:37:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: rbosque
The Supreme Court will say, “There’s nothing in the Bill of Rights that guarantees the “right” to health care;

A thin hope indeed! Roe vs. Wade , Kelo, campaign finance reform , and other twisted decisions prove that.

11 posted on 11/21/2009 6:41:47 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: rbosque

Opt-out is their way around this. Don’t get your hopes up with the Supreme Court, they aren’t very state friendly.

You guys are fooling yourselves if you don’t think healthcare will pass. All it takes is a few hundred million of buying votes on those who are on the fence and poof... socialized medicine.

I know this is a buzz kill, but it is a done deal.


12 posted on 11/21/2009 6:42:52 PM PST by CSA Rebel
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To: Federalist Patriot
Limbaugh said last week that 99% of bills that get past cloture go on to be approved.
13 posted on 11/21/2009 6:44:42 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Is there at least one, or more, additional steps. Challenges in court as to the constitutionality of the federal mandate to purchase and control health care?


14 posted on 11/21/2009 6:46:44 PM PST by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: CSA Rebel
I know this is a buzz kill, but it is a done deal.

Good idea, tell people to give up.
15 posted on 11/21/2009 7:05:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek

I have heard over and over each step of the way that there’s not a chance of it getting passed this next hurdle, and yet it does. I believe the fix is in and it will squeak by each step by one vote. The corruption in Washington is so pervasive I believe all of our efforts will come to naught. After all, those in power know that the only consequences of their actions will be angry letters and name calling from the right.


16 posted on 11/21/2009 7:22:50 PM PST by Boiling point (Beck 2012)
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To: Boiling point

And you feel a need to tell everyone its hopeless for what reason?


17 posted on 11/21/2009 7:25:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
Thank you, StarFan, for the heads up on this one.

I'm trying to stay positive... :o)

18 posted on 11/21/2009 7:27:48 PM PST by nutmeg (Rush Limbaugh & Sarah Palin agree: NO third parties! Take back the GOP)
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To: Federalist Patriot

One little fact left out. It was reported in another thread Senator Kyl stated bills pass 97% of the time when cloture is invoked. A vote for cloture is a vote for this unconstitutional, socialist health care bill.


19 posted on 11/21/2009 7:35:17 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Thank you!!!


20 posted on 11/21/2009 7:37:06 PM PST by diamond6 (Expose Planned Parenthood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaTywSDmls)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Jan 19 is another chance to send the RATS a message.It's the special election to replace Ted Kennedy. Imagine if the voters are so mad the RATS lose the seat in MASSACHUSETTS? It would not only strip them of the critical 60th vote but truly terrorize the Rats and Rino's.

Of course a win would be absolutely unprecedented but then again with 17% real unemployment , the Country hugely in debt and a power hungry congress intent on ignoring the People I think we have a chance. The real problem is putting an end to "the fix". They WILL try and steal it.

If you live in Mass. volunteer to be an election judge and get to know election law. Work in a RAT district . They probably don't have many Republicans there. Learn how elections are stolen and what to look for. Pulling out a win in this hornets nest of commies would be just the thing to save America.

21 posted on 11/21/2009 7:51:29 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: Man50D; nutmeg
Senator Kyl stated bills pass 97% of the time when cloture is invoked.

If all else fails, we can always hope that Robert Byrd is thoroughly exhausted from his appearances on the Senate floor this week. Perhaps he will nestle into his WV home for a long winter nap.

22 posted on 11/21/2009 7:53:20 PM PST by NautiNurse (Obama: A day without TOTUS is like a day without sunshine)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; StarFan
Limbaugh said last week that 99% of bills that get past cloture go on to be approved.

Yeah, I heard that... that's why I'm so damn worried and upset over tonight's vote.

23 posted on 11/21/2009 8:00:27 PM PST by nutmeg (Rush Limbaugh & Sarah Palin agree: NO third parties! Take back the GOP)
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To: GOPsterinMA; raccoonradio; warsaw44

ping to #21


24 posted on 11/21/2009 8:03:38 PM PST by nutmeg (Rush Limbaugh & Sarah Palin agree: NO third parties! Take back the GOP)
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To: NautiNurse
If all else fails, we can always hope that Robert Byrd is thoroughly exhausted from his appearances on the Senate floor this week. Perhaps he will nestle into his WV home for a long winter nap.

Um... yup. ;-)

I was pretty disappointed to see 92-year-old Robert KKK Byrd being wheeled up to vote tonight. We need term limits!

25 posted on 11/21/2009 8:05:50 PM PST by nutmeg (Rush Limbaugh & Sarah Palin agree: NO third parties! Take back the GOP)
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To: nutmeg

Can’t give up hope...


26 posted on 11/21/2009 8:50:10 PM PST by GOPJ (ObamaCare - slush fund scam that would make Bernie Madoff blush.)
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To: nutmeg

Thanks for the ping!


27 posted on 11/21/2009 9:34:52 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: cripplecreek

“People” don’t have the power currently. You can be an optimist, a pessimist, or a realist. The choice is yours.


28 posted on 11/22/2009 2:36:44 AM PST by CSA Rebel
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To: cripplecreek
No, this Bill will not be stopped in the Senate.

The only hope left is in the House in the final vote.

The Democratic leadership has carefully planned this, from stealing the Alaskan and Minn. Senate seats, to getting that Republican seat in N.Y.

They know that no Democrat Senator (and that includes Liberaman) is going to stop the Democrat goal of Socialistic healthcare.

29 posted on 11/22/2009 3:14:52 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I see that both Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe voted with the rest of the Republicans tonight.

Tonight they did, but on another filibuster issue, it is likely they won't.

The Democrats are too close to their dream to stop.

This Bill will go through unless their is such a public outcry that it forces those up for reelection to reconsider their own political future.

So much for 'moderate' Democrats.

30 posted on 11/22/2009 3:17:40 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: nutmeg
Nutmeg, I said in August this was a done deal, and I stick by that. All the interim juggling has been about who gets to opt out and vote against the final bills, who gets bought off (Landrieu). But the final result was never, ever in question. Elections have consequences, and NO Democrat was ever, ever, ever going to stop a piece of leftist legislation. Where is "Holy" Joe Lieberman? Where is "centrist" Ben Nelson or Blanche Lincoln or Byron Dorgan?

But here's the really sad part: if the Dems had come up with only 58 or 59 votes, SNOWE AND/OR COLLINS WOULD HAVE PUT THEM OVER ANYWAY. Yes, they voted with the GOP against cloture---but that was a show because it was a done deal.

31 posted on 11/22/2009 5:19:16 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Federalist Patriot

Thanks for your post. So there is LOTS of time for FReeping our senators’ offices, tea parties, phone calls, faxes, letters, letters to the editors.... so let’s get hot!


32 posted on 11/22/2009 5:24:05 AM PST by Snow Eagle (Pray for America - Psalm 109:8)
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To: nutmeg

“...disappointed to see Byrd wheeled in to vote...” Yes but did he READ the bill??? LOL


33 posted on 11/22/2009 5:29:21 AM PST by Snow Eagle (Pray for America - Psalm 109:8)
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To: Federalist Patriot
Sorry author, it is a done deal, the fix is in. The only landmine left id abortion but Reid will go to the nuclear option to overcome that. Signed by January 7.
34 posted on 11/22/2009 5:32:52 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof. V for victory)
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To: Federalist Patriot
Sorry author, it is a done deal, the fix is in. The only landmine left id abortion but Reid will go to the nuclear option to overcome that. Signed by January 7.
35 posted on 11/22/2009 5:32:52 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof. V for victory)
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To: nutmeg
Limbaugh said last week that 99% of bills that get past cloture go on to be approved

Can't wait to hear Rush tomorrow and hope he has a more positive forecast. Now I'm getting worried.

36 posted on 11/22/2009 6:48:43 AM PST by StarFan
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

This was not a cloture vote, but rather a motion to proceed.


37 posted on 11/22/2009 8:51:26 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

Thank you for that distinction. But I am not resting.

This last year has been unbearable. I see glimmers of light but this is our most important battle here at home. The party of ‘Hell No’ has to keep up the heat.


38 posted on 11/22/2009 8:56:55 AM PST by SueRae
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To: Petronski
This was not a cloture vote, but rather a motion to proceed.

Whatever kind of vote it was, Rush specifically said that 99% of bills that clear this particular hurdle go on to become law.

39 posted on 11/22/2009 4:38:05 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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