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Could this be the Birth Certificate submitted by Obama's Grandmother?
Western Journalism ^ | 12/11/2009 | borderraven

Posted on 12/11/2009 9:31:20 PM PST by BorderRaven

See http://www.scribd.com/doc/24001567/Obama-BC-GMom

"In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.” It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9) I asked the Dept of Health what they currently ask for (in 2008) to back up a parent’s claim that a child was born in Hawaii. I was told that all they required was a proof of residence in Hawaii (e.g. a driver’s license [We know from interviews with her friends on Mercer Island in Washington State that Ann Dunham had acquired a driver’s license by the summer of 1961 at the age of 17] or telephone bill) and pre-natal (statement or report that a woman was pregnant) and post-natal (statement or report that a new-born baby has been examined) certification by a physician. On further enquiry, the employee that I spoke to informed me that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the ‘60s." ... http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697

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To: Vendome
338.17 is new definition from only a few years ago. 1982 IRCC.

This is another fake.


This Grandma BC was hashed out on FR a few months ago and deemed a fake. Do you have a link to that thread?
41 posted on 12/12/2009 12:06:34 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: danamco
And Ann Coulter too!!!

At least Ann didn't claim to have examined and handled it like O'really and fartcheck did. She did call us cranks and a few other choice words which will keep me from buying any of her books until she gets with the program ;)
42 posted on 12/12/2009 12:09:23 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: John Leland 1789
State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.”

http://tw0.us/5fm

Wednesday, August 27, 2008

Letter Re Obama Eligibility to Texas Secretary of State

The fact that the Hawaii Revised Statutes permit anyone with a "direct and tangible interest" in the birth certificate ought to mean that anyone can obtain Mr. Obama's birth certificate since we all have a direct and tangible interest in it.

43 posted on 12/12/2009 12:33:34 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: John Leland 1789

http://tw0.us/5fn

Open Letter to Mr. George Soros and Open Society Institute Re Obama Birth Certificate

Mr. George Soros
Open Society Institute
400 West 59th Street
New York, NY 10019, U.S.A.

Dear Mr. Soros:

You have made a point of claiming that you believe in an “open society” and you have assertively backed Barack Obama’s candidacy. At present, the State of Hawaii has violated the requirements of its Open Records Law and § 338-18 of its statute concerning birth records by refusing to provide Barack Obama’s birth certificate to every American. Yet, every American has a direct and tangible interest in seeing this information first hand. I have written to Mr. Obama and asked that he open this information to society and he has not responded. Instead, Obama supporters have offered a fraudulent birth certificate via a Web site. I am curious as to how Mr. Obama’s willingness to engage in manipulative secrecy jibes with your belief in an open society. Do you continue to support Mr. Obama’s candidacy despite his indifference to an open society?

Some have argued that Mr. Obama’s birth certificate is not problematic and that he is merely manipulating public opinion, intending to reveal favorable information at an opportune time. If so, is this sort of political manipulation the foundation of your interpretation of what the term “open society” ought to mean?

Sincerely,

Mitchell Langbert

July 14, 2008


44 posted on 12/12/2009 12:38:55 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: OafOfOffice

http://tw0.us/5fo

Dr. Chiyome L. Fukino, MD
Director of Public Health
State of Hawaii Department of Health
Honolulu, Hawaii 98601-3378

Dear Ms. Fukino:

“The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:...”

If the authors of the statute had aimed to limit access to the list, they could have stated that the list is exhaustive and exclusive in the statute, but the statute DOES NOT so state. Hence, Ms. Okubo is incorrect in claiming that the people who have “direct and tangible interest” are defined in the statute. The statute merely states those who should be construed to have such an interest (a safe harbor list) but DOES NOT STATE that others may not also have “direct and tangible interest”.

Since all Americans have a “direct and tangible interest” in knowing what Mr. Obama’s birth certificate states, you and the Department of Health are violating § 338-18 by refusing to provide a certified copy of the birth certificate to any American.


45 posted on 12/12/2009 12:43:59 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Uhm, no. But I am one of the Freepers that pointed it out.

Hang on.


46 posted on 12/12/2009 1:05:17 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Can’t find it but, you can ping BP2 and he might remember.


47 posted on 12/12/2009 1:08:27 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: melancholy; Las Vegas Ron

Ghoster! I like that. If you ever see Obama, be sure to say “BOO.”

He is shrouded in mystery and that is so wrong on every front. It’s one thing for a celebrity to manufacture a past, but it’s quite another for a public office holder, particularly the holder of our nation’s highest office.

This man has never been vetted, and yet the US Senate portends to vet his cabinet. For all the scrutiny Obama has received, he might as well be one of his czars, or the head czar. Gee, I think I’m onto something here. Czar Hussein!


48 posted on 12/12/2009 1:25:04 PM PST by onyx
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To: Vendome
Thanks, I found it.

Signed Certificate of Live Birth for BO [FR thread from Oct 20, 09]
49 posted on 12/12/2009 1:27:11 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: maggief

maggief, (I almost typed fluffs)lol

I’m missing something: his hippie, left-wing radical mother was a US citizen, so what bearing does his father’s British status have on Barack’s eligibility?

I like your thinking with regard to your hunch that he used his adopted Sotero/Indonesia to gain status and entry into US and the universites and that lead to some uncomfortable revelations.

I followed your links:

Yes, the missing Columbia years, wherein nobody remembers him and who the hell paid his tuition. I recall reading several articles that speculated a variety of people and far left sources.

The Russian hold on him and Lugar is most interesting and the untimely death of Lt. Harris raises even more suspicions.

I can summarize what scares and irks the hell out of me: I know the man is anti-American. It oozes from him. He can’t hide it, no matter what the teleprompter tells him to say. Yet, here he is, the president of the United States and our military’s Commander in Chief, not only privy to everything that keeps our coutry and the free world safe, but also in charge of ordering our military into action and in charge of our nuclear weapons.

You know how every decade or so, our FBI or CIA discover a traitor or a network of traitors within its ranks and we subsequently learn that years of intelligence and secret weaponry have been compromised? Well, think about the complete damage that can be done were the top man anti-American.


50 posted on 12/12/2009 1:53:35 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

Even if it’s not to prove anything, 0b0z0’s education records will prove how dumb and paid for he is, at minimum.

The shining light will give thin-skinned 0b0z0’s blisters of ridicule that he couldn’t stand the rest of his life!

What a brilliantly made-up liar, hoisted to the top by “fellow Americans!”


51 posted on 12/12/2009 1:58:33 PM PST by melancholy (Have no records will run........For President, that is!)
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To: Fred Nerks

The libtards that create the Obozo cover stories for him and his family are really bad at their math.


52 posted on 12/12/2009 2:11:49 PM PST by Gemsbok (Dead men tell no tales!)
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To: hennie pennie

Hi hennie pennie,

You betcha. The news media were determined to help elect this unknown radical no matter what. It’s still hard to believe that he was not subjected to one tough interview. He was a packaged product, and nobody was allowed to look inside. It was a “do not open until after January 20, 2009.” Trouble is, package Obama remains sealed tighter than ever, despite his radical agenda, his comrade czars in the WH and his staggering spending!

You’d think that some brave souls in the complicit news media would begin to have enough doubts about the mystery man to start their own investigations into his background. How about one or two fact checkers for his autobiographical novels?

Barring investigations into his past, I would like to know exactly what business was discussed when Soros visited the WH: who was present, etc.

I wonder what the Secret Service would do, were an agent to accidentally overhear something traitorous?


53 posted on 12/12/2009 2:13:28 PM PST by onyx
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To: melancholy

LOL. I suspect he was “gifted” with grades he didn’t merit.


54 posted on 12/12/2009 2:15:28 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

As I understand it, 0bama was born both a US and British citizen under British Nationality Act of 1948. One cannot hold dual citizenship and be “natural born.” There are other “natural born” citizenship arguments.

IMHO, the COLB and Kenyan birth angle is a red herring meant to discredit “birthers.” I’ll keep an open mind, same with suggestions of a possible Canadian birth.

I’d be more interested in seeing his adoption papers, passport and college transcripts.


55 posted on 12/12/2009 2:19:07 PM PST by maggief
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To: maggief
I’d be more interested in seeing his adoption papers, passport and college transcripts.

Yes, we're sharing the same interests. Please keep me in mind whenever you come across any pertinent articles and I'll do the same. Something's gotta give.

56 posted on 12/12/2009 2:22:45 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx
Something's gotta give.

Yep, the Abu Bama structure will give, collapse that is!

57 posted on 12/12/2009 2:30:24 PM PST by melancholy (Have no records will run........For President, that is!)
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To: onyx
I was surprised the past few nights when I've turned on the Mike Malloy talk radio show on AIR AMERICA, he has repetitively stated that "we" - i.e., 'progressive' lib far left Lefties did NOT know who BHO was, knew nothing about him, but voted for him.

Mike Malloy went so far as to say that he is no longer a Democrat, and that in the future he will no longer immediately vote for Dems.

WHY I am mentioning this to you is that I am surprised that such an outspoken far far left Leftie seems as utterly Clueless As To Barry's True Background as is the general civilianry.

LOL

But really, it's kind of ... 'scary' if only Pelosi/Reid are privy to the True BHO, ya know???

58 posted on 12/12/2009 2:38:34 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: onyx
I want the financial aid papers.

Are there ANY financial aid applications? OR was his entire education paid for by the CIA, and he is a deep longterm undercover sleeper mole?

IF there do exist financial aid records, then I want to know if the rumor is true that he received scholarships for being a foreign student.

I guess I'm most curious about this..... because if any of the rumors are true, then 1000s of people KNOW about it, and are covering for BHO with their silence.

Sometimes I really tend to believe that Ann Dunham and her son were both CIA operatives, as it makes it so much more understandable why people would "help" to keep everything under wraps, even foreign intel agencies won't say bo-peep.

59 posted on 12/12/2009 2:43:59 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

Do you really think Pelosi and Reid know? I’m thinking they’ve only seen and accepted the short form. I think only a tight circle actually know about Obama. Reid, Pelosi and other pols are likely told not to pay attention to rumors from the “right-wing nut cases.”

Interesting as it is to learn a libtard admit he cluelessly voted for the emptysuit, “What are you doing listening to Air America?” LOL.


60 posted on 12/12/2009 2:47:13 PM PST by onyx
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