Posted on 12/30/2009 4:51:48 PM PST by Publius804
I’d take Glen Beck—who often refers to himself as a libertarian—over the Democrats any day.
Most libertarians are sensible people who have some bad ideas...but they are not above discourse. Liberals don’t have one good idea and don’t believe in any discourse.
People who say Libertarians and Democrats are both our enemies right now will continue to make sure Obama and his cronies stay in power.
Folks here at FR were calling for new Tea Parties (events, not political parties) in Oct. ‘08 when Congress was setting up the TARP bail-out. After Santulli’s outburst, Beck and FOX co-opted it as Anti-Tax Tea Parties.
Santulli s/b Santelli
The rooster thinks his crowing makes the sun rise and the Paulites think their yammering created the Tea Party movement.
Agreed.
As an ex-Libertarian, now conservative, we need every voice we can muster. I'll take libertarians over Dems and libs any day.
If you are going to attack Ron Paul's (or anyone's) positions on the issues, then attack their positions on the issues, not what some one else says.
My point is that you are using the pi$$-poorest excuse for an argument against someone.
If Charles Manson had supported Ronald Reagan, would you have used Manson's position on issues as a reason to attack Ronald Reagan? That is the sort of logic you are throwing at me.
As for the alphabet soup of government agencies, it seems the greatest use for them our current government has is to stovepipe their information to prevent comparing notes (as in the Gorelick Memo during Clinton's administration), hobbling them to prevent disclosure of potential wrongdoings within the administration. It was apparent under Clinton, and that led to 9/11 in part because those selfsame agencies were disabled in re information sharing.
You are left with calling him a "nut", but you have not really been able to tell me why you think that.
I, personally, have no problem with returning our government to within its Constitutional bounds, which would eliminate over half of the Federal Agencies currently sucking our economy dry, and stop much of the crap going on in DC right now.
Re-read your Constitution. Great stuff, that, and it provides no authority for many of the things we spend our grandchildren's (as yet) unearned dollars on.
listen alright
you like Paul
I do not
You think he’s alright
I do not
I think with the things he says and yes I have given you a couple of points why I think he’s a nut.
I have met and talked to some of his supporters and while some are OK many I have met are nuts
that is how it is.
Please read the article. I don't care if you like Ron Paul, really, that was not my point.
If you don't want to argue like a liberal, don't conflate the actions of a few supporters with a candidate/personality. Very simple. Let the person stand or fall on their own merits.
If you notice, there is a tendency for liberals to take one group and then lump them in with some unsavory types to use the association to make all who are in their new category as unpalatable as the worst of the group.
Gunowners, Christians, and Conservatives in general have long felt this as we have been rhetorically lumped in as part of the 'vast right winged conspiracy' with anti-semites, neo-nazis, and paranoids of every stripe--even though 'paranoid' has become defined not by what one is afraid of, but only by the progress the Left has failed to make on their agendae.
If, in the 1970s you went around saying in thirty-odd years, the government will sieze control of banking institutions, of GM, of Chrysler, would establish whole policy-making bureaucracies under a series of people called 'czars' who would not be vetted by Congress nor elected, but only appointees who would make regulations with the force of law, effectively bypassing Congress as the Legislative body, all at the whim and behest of the President alone, people would have called you a "kook", a "nutcase", a "paranoid", but here we are.
So look at what people are saying before being so quick to peg them as out of bounds, because sometimes, even people we disagree with on balance will get it right.
Happy New Year, FRiend.
look we can keep going on and on till the cows come home.
again
you like Paul I do not
Again I think with what he says he comes across as a lunatic who is way out of touch. you do not
I have told you from experience that many of his supporters are loons IMHO , that is not lumping everyone in the same group but pointing out an observation.
Now that is my view and no matter how many times you keep sending me posts or how long those posts are, it will not change my mind of him or what I have seen or heard.
yea happy new year
Conservative Tea Party members’ number one goal initially should be to drive out all the Ron Paul moonbats.
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