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New York May Ban Carrying Firearms While Intoxicated
armedselfdefense.blogspot.com/ ^ | 02/09/10 | Sasparilla

Posted on 02/09/2010 7:46:30 AM PST by Sasparilla

There is a move to make New York the 21st state to ban intoxicated persons from carrying a firearm. Many in and out of New York believe that if a person is too drunk to drive a car, then they are too drunk to carry a firearm. If the law is passed, then violators will face a one year Class A Misdemeanor and a $10,000 fine.

Here's how some states handle the issue. Michigan bans Concealed Pistol License Holders from entering businesses such as bars or taverns that make most of their money from on premises alcohol sales while the CPL holder is armed. There is also a law in place that prohibits CPL holders from having any determinable blood alcohol content in their body while carrying concealed.

Hunting with firearms while intoxicated is absolutely prohibited in Michigan. But, there’s no restriction from having cases of beer at deer camp in the woods after hunting, a great Michigan tradition.

There is a big difference in consuming alcohol and over consuming it. Other states, like Indiana, don’t prohibit firearms in bars, and they have prevented crimes in them.

Some may disagree, but the prohibition against carrying a loaded firearm while intoxicated is not a first step down a slippery gun control slope. We have all seen people so drunk...

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunsafety

1 posted on 02/09/2010 7:46:30 AM PST by Sasparilla
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To: Sasparilla

So remember to bring along your designated shooter...


2 posted on 02/09/2010 7:47:37 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Sasparilla

This is a joke right? Right?


3 posted on 02/09/2010 7:49:09 AM PST by cameraeye (A happy kafar!)
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To: Sasparilla

Wow, I didn’t know people could still own/carry firearms in NY!!!


4 posted on 02/09/2010 7:49:35 AM PST by Nat Turner (Escaped from NY in 1983 and not ever going back....)
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To: Sasparilla

Clearly you life is not worth defending if you’ve had a beer.

It’s that “unalienable rights don’t apply to adults doing legal things” provision in the Constitution. I’m sure of it.


5 posted on 02/09/2010 7:52:26 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. (Hi Mom.))
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To: Sasparilla

I have no problem with this.

It is already illegal to be intoxicated in public — and someone who is irresponsible enough to be drunk in public, is not responsible enough to carry.

SnakeDoc


6 posted on 02/09/2010 8:00:36 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: Sasparilla

Sure all the people will feel safe in the bar with no guns... But what about all the people outside the bar? They no you don’t have one.


7 posted on 02/09/2010 8:01:17 AM PST by Mind Freed (Maybe Obama was the Wright choice... Let's wait till everything Ayers out.)
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To: Sasparilla

And naturally as this, like all New York gun laws, is really designed to overturn the right to keep and bear arms, bars will be sued for serving CC license holders, taxi drivers will be sued for transporting them and “drunk” will be the equivalent of a glass of white wine. But don’t expect any of these facts to see the light of day....YET!


8 posted on 02/09/2010 8:17:51 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Mind Freed

“Sure all the people will feel safe in the bar with no guns... But what about all the people outside the bar? They no you don’t have one.’

The no guns in bars and taverns was a concession that people in Michigan had to make to end the 70 year prohibition on “shall issue” pistol permits. No CPL holder is happy with that restrictive law.

Carrying a concealed handgun comes with responsibilities. The major responsibility is not to be a danger to yourself and others.

Since several hundred thousand carry permits have been issued in the last 9 years, there has been an awakening in Michigan, even with the once anti CPL Governor Granholm, that the state hasn’t become the new wild west as the Bradys gleefully promised.

But, there is a difference in sipping some suds and getting totally wasted. There’s no reason not to be able to go into a bar and have a beer or two and have a sidearm tucked away. And, there’s no excuse in getting drunk enough not to have the reflexes, coordination, and good sense to safely handle a firearm you are carrying. A drunk person with a loaded gun is just as dangerous as a drunk driver is.

Its as dangerous to be drunk and handle a gun in your home as it is outside of your home.


9 posted on 02/09/2010 8:36:24 AM PST by Sasparilla
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To: Sasparilla

But doesn’t one have to be continually drunk to live in NY? Or be a Yankees fan? Or Jets fan?

(I have I pissed off everyone outside of Red Sox Nation yet?)


10 posted on 02/09/2010 8:37:05 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I am light skinned and don't speak with a dialect. Can I be President?)
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To: Sasparilla

And the only thing that went through my mind is...

“Duh.”


11 posted on 02/09/2010 8:37:49 AM PST by hoagy62 (Obama: slowly sucking the positive attitude out of the US since 11-4-08)
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To: Sasparilla
A drunk person with a loaded gun is just as dangerous as a drunk driver is.

I would say a drunk person with a loaded gun is just as dangerous as a drunk person with a car, or maybe in their car.

12 posted on 02/09/2010 9:13:02 AM PST by Darth Reardon (Im running for the US Senate for a simple reason, I want to win a Nobel Peace Prize - Rubio)
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To: Darth Reardon; All

FACT 1) There are about 600,000 CCW holders in PA.

FACT 2) It is perfectly legal to drink while carrying and there is no limit to drink while carrying in PA.

Please show me the shootings by those who are drunk. It doesn’t happen. These sort of nonsensical laws should never be supported by gun owners.


13 posted on 02/09/2010 11:17:18 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: paulycy
Clearly you life is not worth defending if you’ve had a beer.

I am amazed at the gun owners who go along with this nonsense. Being Pro-2A means there are no limitations on firearms ownership shuch as this.
14 posted on 02/09/2010 11:18:37 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Being drunk and carrying a gun do not mix. Just ask actor Rip Torn.

“LITCHFIELD - Actor Elmore “Rip” Torn thought he was in his own house Friday night when he was found inside the Litchfield Bancorp in Salisbury with a loaded revolver, his lawyer said today.

“Obviously, he wasn’t there intending to commit a crime,” said his lawyer, A. Thomas Waterfall, during Torn’s arraignment in Superior Court in Bantam.

Torn never pointed the gun at anyone or held it in a threatening matter, Waterfall said.

Police went to the bank at 326 Main St. around 9:45 p.m. Friday after an alarm went off. Inside the back door, on the floor, a state trooper found a wool hat, a pair of brown boots and glass from a broken window.

Trooper James L. Parker then walked in and saw “a white male walking around in the lobby of the teller area,” according the arrest report.

The man, who police identified as Torn, looked “unsteady on his feet” and his fly was down, the trooper wrote.

“Get down!” Parker yelled. Torn didn’t listen, and the trooper had to force him to the floor, the report states.

While searching Torn, Parker noticed a few things: He seemed disoriented, he smelled of alcoholic beverages and he had a loaded, H&R model 929, 22-caliber revolver in his right, jacket pocket.

Torn then started questioning Parker and the troopers who backed him up at the scene, Parker wrote.

“Torn asked why we took him out of his house,” the report states. “Torn repeatedly asked why we placed him in handcuffs and when we informed him that he was in a bank carrying a gun he would ask the same question again.”

When Parker took Torn out of the bank, he had to hold him up so he wouldn’t fall, he wrote. Later, at the police barracks, he was asked if he wanted to contact someone or an attorney, the report states, but Torn answered that he didn’t have anyone to call.

His blood alcohol content was .203, more than twice the legal limit of .08.”


15 posted on 02/09/2010 1:15:08 PM PST by Sasparilla
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To: Darth Reardon

I would say a drunk person with a loaded gun is just as dangerous as a drunk person with a car, or maybe in their car.


Nonsense. Carrying a gun while over the legal limit is like sitting at home and drinking over the limit, with a car sitting in the garage. You probably won’t need it, but if a loved one needed to get to the hospital, and there isn’t a first responder at hand to handle it, something tells me you’d be capable of and justified in driving, and accepting the added risk to save a life.

Same for lawful self defense, even if partially impaired.

Besides, shooting a gun effectively isn’t that hard, even when tipsy (not that I have made it a practice).


16 posted on 02/09/2010 1:47:38 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Personal freedom begins when you tell Old Mrs. Grundy to go to Hell." -Lazarus Long)
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To: Red in Blue PA; Beelzebubba

We’re saying the same thing.

The post I replied to said that carrying while drunk is equivalent to DRIVING drunk. I said it was equivalent to having (or being in) a car while drunk. Big difference, IMO.


17 posted on 02/09/2010 2:05:36 PM PST by Darth Reardon (Im running for the US Senate for a simple reason, I want to win a Nobel Peace Prize - Rubio)
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To: Darth Reardon

Oops! Sorry.


18 posted on 02/09/2010 2:23:11 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Personal freedom begins when you tell Old Mrs. Grundy to go to Hell." -Lazarus Long)
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To: Nat Turner

Way more guns in NY than you’d expect. Home of Remington, Kimber, Ithaca......

NY’ers are well-armed.


19 posted on 02/09/2010 4:13:53 PM PST by panaxanax (It's time for TEA Party Patriots to get an 'ATTITUDE'.)
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To: Nat Turner

Sorry, I didn’t see your tagline. Guess you already knew that.


20 posted on 02/09/2010 4:15:20 PM PST by panaxanax (It's time for TEA Party Patriots to get an 'ATTITUDE'.)
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To: panaxanax

Well I knew all about deer season in the upstate but it has been many wonderful snow free and tax free years since I lived in NY.


21 posted on 02/09/2010 4:19:58 PM PST by Nat Turner (Escaped from NY in 1983 and not ever going back....)
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To: Sasparilla

“New York May Ban Carrying Firearms While Intoxicated”

This law, paired with the ban on carrying firearms while NOT intoxicated, simply gives the police more tools to fight crime.


22 posted on 02/09/2010 4:20:22 PM PST by RFEngineer
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