Posted on 02/09/2010 7:46:30 AM PST by Sasparilla
There is a move to make New York the 21st state to ban intoxicated persons from carrying a firearm. Many in and out of New York believe that if a person is too drunk to drive a car, then they are too drunk to carry a firearm. If the law is passed, then violators will face a one year Class A Misdemeanor and a $10,000 fine.
Here's how some states handle the issue. Michigan bans Concealed Pistol License Holders from entering businesses such as bars or taverns that make most of their money from on premises alcohol sales while the CPL holder is armed. There is also a law in place that prohibits CPL holders from having any determinable blood alcohol content in their body while carrying concealed.
Hunting with firearms while intoxicated is absolutely prohibited in Michigan. But, there’s no restriction from having cases of beer at deer camp in the woods after hunting, a great Michigan tradition.
There is a big difference in consuming alcohol and over consuming it. Other states, like Indiana, don’t prohibit firearms in bars, and they have prevented crimes in them.
Some may disagree, but the prohibition against carrying a loaded firearm while intoxicated is not a first step down a slippery gun control slope. We have all seen people so drunk...
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So remember to bring along your designated shooter...
This is a joke right? Right?
Wow, I didn’t know people could still own/carry firearms in NY!!!
Clearly you life is not worth defending if you’ve had a beer.
It’s that “unalienable rights don’t apply to adults doing legal things” provision in the Constitution. I’m sure of it.
I have no problem with this.
It is already illegal to be intoxicated in public — and someone who is irresponsible enough to be drunk in public, is not responsible enough to carry.
SnakeDoc
Sure all the people will feel safe in the bar with no guns... But what about all the people outside the bar? They no you don’t have one.
And naturally as this, like all New York gun laws, is really designed to overturn the right to keep and bear arms, bars will be sued for serving CC license holders, taxi drivers will be sued for transporting them and “drunk” will be the equivalent of a glass of white wine. But don’t expect any of these facts to see the light of day....YET!
“Sure all the people will feel safe in the bar with no guns... But what about all the people outside the bar? They no you don’t have one.’
The no guns in bars and taverns was a concession that people in Michigan had to make to end the 70 year prohibition on “shall issue” pistol permits. No CPL holder is happy with that restrictive law.
Carrying a concealed handgun comes with responsibilities. The major responsibility is not to be a danger to yourself and others.
Since several hundred thousand carry permits have been issued in the last 9 years, there has been an awakening in Michigan, even with the once anti CPL Governor Granholm, that the state hasn’t become the new wild west as the Bradys gleefully promised.
But, there is a difference in sipping some suds and getting totally wasted. There’s no reason not to be able to go into a bar and have a beer or two and have a sidearm tucked away. And, there’s no excuse in getting drunk enough not to have the reflexes, coordination, and good sense to safely handle a firearm you are carrying. A drunk person with a loaded gun is just as dangerous as a drunk driver is.
Its as dangerous to be drunk and handle a gun in your home as it is outside of your home.
But doesn’t one have to be continually drunk to live in NY? Or be a Yankees fan? Or Jets fan?
(I have I pissed off everyone outside of Red Sox Nation yet?)
And the only thing that went through my mind is...
“Duh.”
I would say a drunk person with a loaded gun is just as dangerous as a drunk person with a car, or maybe in their car.
FACT 1) There are about 600,000 CCW holders in PA.
FACT 2) It is perfectly legal to drink while carrying and there is no limit to drink while carrying in PA.
Please show me the shootings by those who are drunk. It doesn’t happen. These sort of nonsensical laws should never be supported by gun owners.
Being drunk and carrying a gun do not mix. Just ask actor Rip Torn.
“LITCHFIELD - Actor Elmore “Rip” Torn thought he was in his own house Friday night when he was found inside the Litchfield Bancorp in Salisbury with a loaded revolver, his lawyer said today.
“Obviously, he wasn’t there intending to commit a crime,” said his lawyer, A. Thomas Waterfall, during Torn’s arraignment in Superior Court in Bantam.
Torn never pointed the gun at anyone or held it in a threatening matter, Waterfall said.
Police went to the bank at 326 Main St. around 9:45 p.m. Friday after an alarm went off. Inside the back door, on the floor, a state trooper found a wool hat, a pair of brown boots and glass from a broken window.
Trooper James L. Parker then walked in and saw “a white male walking around in the lobby of the teller area,” according the arrest report.
The man, who police identified as Torn, looked “unsteady on his feet” and his fly was down, the trooper wrote.
“Get down!” Parker yelled. Torn didn’t listen, and the trooper had to force him to the floor, the report states.
While searching Torn, Parker noticed a few things: He seemed disoriented, he smelled of alcoholic beverages and he had a loaded, H&R model 929, 22-caliber revolver in his right, jacket pocket.
Torn then started questioning Parker and the troopers who backed him up at the scene, Parker wrote.
“Torn asked why we took him out of his house,” the report states. “Torn repeatedly asked why we placed him in handcuffs and when we informed him that he was in a bank carrying a gun he would ask the same question again.”
When Parker took Torn out of the bank, he had to hold him up so he wouldn’t fall, he wrote. Later, at the police barracks, he was asked if he wanted to contact someone or an attorney, the report states, but Torn answered that he didn’t have anyone to call.
His blood alcohol content was .203, more than twice the legal limit of .08.”
I would say a drunk person with a loaded gun is just as dangerous as a drunk person with a car, or maybe in their car.
Same for lawful self defense, even if partially impaired.
Besides, shooting a gun effectively isn’t that hard, even when tipsy (not that I have made it a practice).
We’re saying the same thing.
The post I replied to said that carrying while drunk is equivalent to DRIVING drunk. I said it was equivalent to having (or being in) a car while drunk. Big difference, IMO.
Oops! Sorry.
Way more guns in NY than you’d expect. Home of Remington, Kimber, Ithaca......
NY’ers are well-armed.
Sorry, I didn’t see your tagline. Guess you already knew that.
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