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Where Were You When the Republic Died?
American Thinker ^ | 03/22/10 | Matt Patterson

Posted on 03/21/2010 10:48:23 PM PDT by American Dream 246

In November 2008, Americans elected a socialist as their president. In March 2010, they woke up stunned to find themselves living in a socialist country.

Health insurers - once private companies - are now organs of the federal government. Every citizen is a ward of the state, which can now compel you to have insurance; punish you if you don't; determine if your insurance is acceptable; punish you if it isn't. Thousands of new federal bureaucrats will soon spill from the D.C. Beltway and flood the country, scrutinizing our finances to verify compliance with this new law.

A government that grants itself this kind of power over us can conceivably do anything to us. For our own good, of course. Such a country is in no meaningful sense "free."

And this is only the beginning. Liberals are salivating in contemplation of all the fanciful window trimmings that can in the future be hung from this legislative framework. Public option will soon appear as prelude to single payer, as was the intent all along. Soon, Americans won't even have the illusion of a choice - the government will move from subsidizer to provider, and it will be the only game in town.

So what's next? Some look to the states as possible saviors. Please. The states long ago surrendered their sovereignty, and are now junkies on federal monies, which they need for schools, roads, Medicaid, and much else. If the citizens are now wards of the federal government, the states long since preceded them in that sorry servitude.

The individual? What are we going to do, not pay the taxes to support this beast? Oh, they'll take that from you before you ever get your check; we gave them that power to them long ago, remember. March on Washington, en masse? Lot of good that's done thus far.

The Republicans? Assuming the GOP can take back both houses of Congress and the White House in the next couple of elections (by no means a sure thing), can you name one gigantic entitlement enacted by liberals that Republicans have successfully repealed? Or even made serious effort to repeal? Ever? Anyone?

The Courts? Sure, maybe Obamacare will work its way through the courts, and maybe the Supreme Court will finally take up the case (there is no guarantee of that, remember), and maybe the Court will not have tilted left by then, and maybe the Justices will declare it unconstitutional. Then what? Who will enforce this decision? Obamacare is already unconstitutional on its face, and yet is the law of the land. Do you think the Democrats will say, "Oh, all-right, never-mind," and cheerfully strike it from the books after their successful five-decade long crusade?

And even if a court challenge is eventually successful, how much of the bureaucracy will by then already be in place, how many of the thousands of new regulations already in effect, how much of the billions in new taxes and fines collected, how many jobs killed, how many middle class families addicted to the entitlement?

There's a reason Democrats were desperate to ram this through at all cost - once enacted, such things are all but perpetual. Former freedom-loving peoples begin to tell themselves it's really not so bad. Sure, government is forcing you to eat state-approved gruel, but hey, at least they hold the spoon, and they even pour a little sugar on top when you're good.

The worst part of watching the proceedings unfold on Sunday was the endless stream of commentators and pundits calmly discussing this bill as if it were just one more piece of bad legislation we will have to live under. In fact, what has transpired is nothing less than an overthrow of the old Constitutional order.

In 1776, the American Republic boldly announced its birth with the Declaration of Independence. In 2010, it quietly expired with a declaration of dependence - on government, on entitlement, and on the Democratic party.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: fascism; military; obama; obamacare
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1 posted on 03/21/2010 10:48:23 PM PDT by American Dream 246
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To: American Dream 246

Hasn’t died yet... SCOTUS has the last word.


2 posted on 03/21/2010 10:52:17 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: American Dream 246; bamahead; Bokababe
Some look to the states as possible saviors. Please. The states long ago surrendered their sovereignty, and are now junkies on federal monies, which they need for schools, roads, Medicaid, and much else. If the citizens are now wards of the federal government, the states long since preceded them in that sorry servitude.

We can all think Lincoln for that last part.

3 posted on 03/21/2010 10:52:33 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: American Dream 246

Not dead, only knocked down. Now we have to get up and fight back. Forgotten the bloody footprints in the snow at Valley Forge already?


4 posted on 03/21/2010 10:54:22 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: rabscuttle385

The civil war is over, Jonnyreb, get a Life!


5 posted on 03/21/2010 10:55:34 PM PDT by factmart
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To: American Dream 246

The Republic is not dead but its enemies will be.


6 posted on 03/21/2010 10:55:39 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come. Judgment Day: Nov 2, 2010)
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To: American Dream 246

Cleaning my guns.


7 posted on 03/21/2010 10:55:49 PM PDT by digger48
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To: American Dream 246
I think it died 15 years before Chairman Obama was elected. It died when Mt. Carmel was destroyed by the FBI and when the crime was whitewashed by members of both political parties in Congress.
8 posted on 03/21/2010 10:56:23 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: skr
Spot on skr

Obama said at the White House shortly after the House voted: "This isn't radical reform, but it is major reform."

To our Prez I say...


A short Youtube Video -- "What are you... a doomsday machine..."

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Pelosi

9 posted on 03/21/2010 10:56:39 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: skr

The Constitution gives us one last resort. A Consitutional Convention.


10 posted on 03/21/2010 10:57:26 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: attiladhun2

Mt. Carmel? What our you talking about?


11 posted on 03/21/2010 10:58:20 PM PDT by factmart
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To: factmart
The civil war is over

You're right. The Civil War has long been over, and as a consequence of that War, the States have been effectively reduced to mere provinces.

Jonnyreb, get a Life!

Oh, and by the way, I was born on what was Union territory, so you can stuff the "Jonnyreb" references.

12 posted on 03/21/2010 10:59:14 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: American Dream 246

Not on our watch....get over the wounds. There’s a lot of steam generating the foward thrust. This is no time to apply the brakes or drive off course...


13 posted on 03/21/2010 10:59:37 PM PDT by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: attiladhun2

Now I know what you meant, Waco!


14 posted on 03/21/2010 11:00:40 PM PDT by factmart
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To: Safrguns

Yes, and I’m not sure the Supreme Court is having warm and fuzzy feelings about Mr. Obama at the moment.


15 posted on 03/21/2010 11:00:47 PM PDT by Tarran Fedders
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To: rabscuttle385

Your parents were born in Mississippi?


16 posted on 03/21/2010 11:01:46 PM PDT by factmart
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To: DarthVader; skr; rabscuttle385

Can’t help but notice that a number of newbies are posting this kind of “The republic is died” threads. Causes me wonder about their motives.


17 posted on 03/21/2010 11:01:48 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: American Dream 246
Obama said he loves the free market...
18 posted on 03/21/2010 11:02:43 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: This Just In

Trolls


19 posted on 03/21/2010 11:03:03 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come. Judgment Day: Nov 2, 2010)
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To: tflabo

read post #17


20 posted on 03/21/2010 11:03:27 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: skr

Exactly. Enough of the melodrama, please! Time for pushing back - not running up the white flag!


21 posted on 03/21/2010 11:05:02 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: American Dream 246

In 1860? Not born yet.


22 posted on 03/21/2010 11:05:25 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: DarthVader

That’s what I’m thinking. They’re here to sow seeds doubt and nihilism.

I read a few choice comments a few days ago. I’m gonna start taking names. I won’t tolerate Trolls here any longer.


23 posted on 03/21/2010 11:05:46 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: Patrick1

Agreed. Many here are ready to surrender right now. Sad.


24 posted on 03/21/2010 11:05:54 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: This Just In
Well I'm not a newbie but when does “The Pledge of Allegiance” become a Joke, NEVER?
25 posted on 03/21/2010 11:06:09 PM PDT by factmart
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To: digger48

Make sure you put a few rounds through it after cleaning. They’re more accurate if they’re fouled just a little.


26 posted on 03/21/2010 11:06:25 PM PDT by Dexter Morgan (Everyone hides who they are.)
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To: American Dream 246; Safrguns

It’s a misnomer to say the republic has died, as long as elections are free.

It’s still a republic. It’s just shifting from a capitalist republic to a socialist republic.

But if Obama takes over healthcare (17% of the economy), the auto industry (10% of the economy) and banking (6% of the economy). With government control of 33% of the economy, how much longer will elections be free?

We better nip this in the bud in October or this might be the republic’s fatal wound.


27 posted on 03/21/2010 11:07:06 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: American Dream 246
Monday morning... I am respectfully taking down the American flag in front of my building, carefully and respectfully folding it and putting it in safe storage. From now on, I will be flying my STATE flag until our republic and its constitution are restored...
28 posted on 03/21/2010 11:07:56 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Safrguns
You can forget SCOTUS. In less than a year from now the bamster will have that court fully liberalized.

It will take at least two years and perhaps three to get this mess through the lower courts.

29 posted on 03/21/2010 11:08:38 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: factmart

“... but when does “The Pledge of Allegiance” become a Joke, NEVER?”

Not sure how this applies to my comments on this thread exactly, but “NEVER” is right.


30 posted on 03/21/2010 11:08:54 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: digger48

Cleaned mine yesterday.


31 posted on 03/21/2010 11:09:03 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: JLLH
Time for pushing back - not running up the white flag!

Push back by flying your state flag until our republic is restored. Respect Old Glory. Just don't fly it...

32 posted on 03/21/2010 11:09:28 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington

That’s an idea. One of many. I’ll have to get one. Thanks.


33 posted on 03/21/2010 11:11:35 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: DannyTN
So Obama loves the free market except for 33% of the economy.

Ya, over half the workers in America are working for the government or owned or controlled by!

34 posted on 03/21/2010 11:11:55 PM PDT by factmart
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To: American Dream 246

My Republic hasn’t died. It has suffered a severe wound and I plan on doing all that is in my power to fix it.


35 posted on 03/21/2010 11:12:14 PM PDT by Persevero ("Our culture is far better than a retarded Islamic culture." -Geert Wilders)
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To: April Lexington

That’s BS. Taking down the flag and storing your patriotism is precisely what libs LOVE.

I recall a comment by the singer, Rickie Lee Jones, shortly after 911. As many Americans where flying the flag from their homes, she said the sight of Old Glory made her feel sick.


36 posted on 03/21/2010 11:12:46 PM PDT by This Just In
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To: factmart
I refuse to call it “The Waco Compound.” That is a loaded term filled with negative connotations.
37 posted on 03/21/2010 11:12:51 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: DannyTN

Correct!


38 posted on 03/21/2010 11:13:09 PM PDT by factmart
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To: April Lexington
There is a quote somewhere from a revolutionary in India who said something to the effect that "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, and failing that they fight you, and then YOU win!

I think it is time to start the move and we know what to expect and what the end game will be.

39 posted on 03/21/2010 11:14:33 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: This Just In
Well, tonight, I can join in the feeling. I WILL NOT LIVE IN A COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP WITH A PHONY FLAG. It either means something or it doesn't. Tonight, I need to fly my state flag because my state constitution protects me from tyranny...
40 posted on 03/21/2010 11:14:45 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Cold Heat
It was Gandhi. Nonviolent revolution. The Left has been doing it here since the 1960’s. Tonight they won a big victory. Nonviolence works but you need a leader who actually has goals, etc... we don't have that on our side...
41 posted on 03/21/2010 11:16:48 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: American Dream 246
Assuming the GOP can take back both houses of Congress and the White House in the next couple of elections (by no means a sure thing), can you name one gigantic entitlement enacted by liberals that Republicans have successfully repealed? Or even made serious effort to repeal? Ever? Anyone?

Welfare was reformed and rolled back in the 1990s.

42 posted on 03/21/2010 11:16:58 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: This Just In

“The Pledge of Allegiance” To you and me means something but do you think the majority of people really understand what it means?


43 posted on 03/21/2010 11:17:04 PM PDT by factmart
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To: April Lexington

We need 34 state legislatures to call for a Consitutional Convention with only one specific agenda item. A Constitutional Amendment outlawing socialized medicine in the United States. The Convention could take one week, pass the proposed amendment and then send it to the states for ratification.


44 posted on 03/21/2010 11:18:18 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: attiladhun2

Sorry, but I never heard the other word used.


45 posted on 03/21/2010 11:18:56 PM PDT by factmart
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To: This Just In

I am not a newbie!!! And everytime I try to warn someone I get insulted. You’d better wake up, the one who don’t like to hear the truth, because time is ruinning out.


47 posted on 03/21/2010 11:19:36 PM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: April Lexington

“COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP WITH A PHONY FLAG”?!

Don’t spit on the flag because of the current administration. Heck, fly both flags. That’s even better.

As far as this Communism idea goes, you obviously have never spent much time in a communist country. We’re not there yet, and you should be thankful, but if people continue to do what liberals want them to do; give up hope, then we’ll be looking like Havana in short order.


48 posted on 03/21/2010 11:19:56 PM PDT by This Just In
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Constitutional conventions throw the barn door open. Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi would destroy our constitution in one week. They are organized. We are not. They will win and you will wake up a serf. DON'T ADVOCATE CON CON...
49 posted on 03/21/2010 11:21:55 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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I would never spit on or burn or step on our national flag. I said RESPECTFULLY put it away until our constitutional rights are restored. Until then, I can only look to my state to protect my rights.
50 posted on 03/21/2010 11:23:06 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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