Posted on 03/27/2010 1:48:22 PM PDT by reasonisfaith
Anyone who abandons support for Sarah Palin because she campaigned for McCain is going to have to demonstrate a bit of consistency. Otherwise, sincerity and honesty are liable to come into question.
The argument can be reduce to this core notion: Palin’s support of McCain means she is equivalent to McCain. In other words, in political terms she is the same thing as McCain.
So if this is the way things are supposed to be done, of course we will have to abandon support for anyone else supporting McCain in the Arizona primary. Maybe this will make some of us slow down a bit.
But that’s not all. Because if support for McCain bestows a sort of mathematical, political equivalence with him, then that equivalence carries through with even more distant political alliances. By which I mean, we will be forced to reject any particular politician x who supports Palin, and by the same means we must reject any politician y who supports politician x. And for any politician z who supports politician y, you’re not getting our vote either.
If we are to be consistent, we must identify the chain of support all the way down the line. Because the entire chain is defined by the initial link. The initial link which is Palin’s support of McCain.
So it never ends in this game of political equivalence, until all the dominoes have fallen. Silly at best, self destructive at worst. I think the error in judgment took place in the beginning, with the conclusion that Palin’s support of McCain somehow transformed her into McCain himself.
It’s a form of tunnelvision--an inability to comprehend the importance of the larger context--otherwise known as a lack of common sense.
And then there are the socialists disguised as conservative posters, whose life agenda is to thwart Sarah Palin. They aim to stop her or any other Reagan-like individual who would threaten to save our country from Marxism.
A much better approach is to slow down and look at the individual, making a common sense judgment of their standing based on their entire record. And always focus on principles.
Thanks, I'm glad you have retained a sense of humor.
But I don’t think you can take me on without resorting to ridicule or silliness.
You can't reason with intransigence so injecting a little humor is a way of saying "Neither one of us is going to change the other's mind so let's have some fun."
I respect your opinion. I really do. You have convictions and that's good. I wish Sarah did, too.
The list is on my homepage...
Nice touch. Reminds me of how another troll works.
But Sarah will prevail in this, anyway.
(raybbr, who knows how to use the high-level tactics)
She will make a perfunctory effort to campaign for him now and, if he loses the primary, campaign hard for McLame's opponent to win in the fall.
Sigh, you still don't get it. This is about McCain. Sarah is making it about her, too.
raybbr, who gets it
“.......Most of those attacking have a history of leaning for another candidate, just check their post history, it tells you who they support!!!!”
I don’t know the history of anyone else, but I was completely enamored with Sarah Palin when she came on the scene.....And I can’t think of anyone else who would consider running for POTUS at this point that I would vote for.....Romney, Huckabee, Paul.....No.....I’ve taken my kicks out in public defending her on more than one occasion....
Outstanding reasoning. It won’t make a dent in the palin-haters, though. Their opposition to Palin is not based in reason.
I want McCain to lose too. But I doubt that it's going to happen.
Long before the summer of 2008, I respected the man known as the “maverick of the Senate.”
Will McCain step aside and let her run on her own if he's still around?
That is a false premise. Everything that follows from that will be a fatally flawed conclusion.
Please pay attention:
It isn't about who supported who!
It's about your great conservative hope supporting America's numero uno RINO today...against an actual conservative. The majority of us supported McCain in the general, because he was the only thing we were offered, didn't like it but went along and hoped for the best. Most of us in California supported Arnie when that was our only choice, but no one was too surprised when we got a brain dead liberal for governor.
Now is not the time for her to support a proven also-ran, it's a time for her to make her case for the nomination (again, it whe wants it) and to compete with other potentials. So far she has not done that.
Unless you can show me some valid reason to believe that Hayworth is less conservative than McCain, and that ain't gonna happen, then Palin is on the wrong side. It doesn't matter what her reasons might be, and "loyalty" is a slim reed, McCain cannot but harm her position and open the door for anyone else.
That's fine with me, not because I dislike her but because I want to see who and where the conservatives are.
By the way, did McCain not speak out against the Tea Party movement? If I remember Correctly, he has rejected the whole idea of a conservative movement within the party. If I'm right, her appearances with the Tea Party clash with her support for Juan; just what does she stand for? (No cliches please, apple pie is not a political position)
Apparently all of the arguments in support of Palin are going to boil down to character assassination of anyone who is upset with her support of McCain. There is no substance or rational logic in that so it’s a waste of time to bother with them.
"I have yet to see a well thought-out response to the true assertion that her failing to campaign for him would have brought much worse on her."
Sara Palin was THE voice of conservatism once the party had pushed McCain into the nomination.
She singlehandedly brought him up to a vote count that was not an embarrassment to us all; she done good and McCain owes her far more than she owes him because otherwise he'd have gone down like a stone.
She has a lot of positive momentum and good will among the rank and file, if not within the party itself.
She quit as governor presumably to make a bid for the presidency and to allow Alaska to operate without the media circus and frivolous litigation her new fame brought about; good for her.
She is in a position to name her own fate and so far she has not shown so very well.
The 2008 campaign is over, she does not need to keep responding to SNL and to who can or cannot see Russia from the back porch.
The 2008 campaign is over and she does not need to cement her links with America's least appealing RINO. At best, she should have made a statement about two capable and sincere candidates in the Arizona race and then stayed out of it. In that way she would not have betrayed any loyalties to Juan and she would not be opposed to the state's, and the country's, conservative voters.
As it is today, she has not progressed past generalities in her Fox appearances or at the Searchlight rally, she has not transitioned from what was to what could be - the 2008 election versus the 2012 election. Worse still, she has not maintained her direct links with conservatives but has sullied it by reversing course to support a man who Arizona must now be thoroughly sick of and ready to dump into whatever receptacle is available at the time.
(I might be wrong on that last part, after all, Napolitano came from Arizona.)
Thank you for remembering me.
parsifal, who is laying low
You used a lot of words to say, “Sarah is finished, now.”
“That is a false premise. Everything that follows from that will be a fatally flawed conclusion.”
You just restated the thesis of my argument.
“Apparently all of the arguments in support of Palin are going to boil down to character assassination”
Are you sure you want to overlook these, just for starters:
1) Sarah Palin took on corruption in her own party and won, sending some of the corrupt politicians to jail. In her own party.
2) She pushed through a natural gas law, a major political accomplishment that takes a huge step toward energy independence, that nobody else was able to do for decades.
3) Palin cut back on the perks of her own office, refusing a salary increase and getting rid of the jet.
4) She also cut 85% of pork barrel projects as soon as she came to office.
5) Let’s examine her entire political career in general, during which she has consistently refused—despite the daily temptations—to give in to corruption, and always put the interests of her people before anything else political.
6) This makes her a better leader and more qualified for the presidency than 99% of all the politicians who have set foot in Washington for the past two centuries.
Wow. You must be quite tired, and overworked.
Take a couple weeks off—the ability to organize your thoughts should come back gradually.
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