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If you donít buy health insurance you lose your tax refund
Liberty and Pride ^ | April 6, 2010 | Conservative American

Posted on 04/06/2010 8:58:04 AM PDT by csd

IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman said yesterday that the IRS will confiscate or reduce any individuals tax refund if they do not purchase health insurance.

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TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: bho; irs; obamacare; tyranny
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1 posted on 04/06/2010 8:58:04 AM PDT by csd
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To: csd

Reduce withholding so you don’t have a refund.

SnakeDoc


2 posted on 04/06/2010 8:58:51 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant ... that even a god-king can bleed." - 300)
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To: csd

F them I always owe.


3 posted on 04/06/2010 8:58:55 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: csd

Maybe some Dems out there will start to get upset at the thought of IRS confiscation


4 posted on 04/06/2010 8:59:32 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: SnakeDoctor
Reduce withholding so you don’t have a refund.

There ya go.

5 posted on 04/06/2010 9:00:18 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Then I guess you would just owe more...they will find a way to take your hard earned money.


6 posted on 04/06/2010 9:00:35 AM PDT by csd (CSD)
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To: csd

And then they’ll up the welfare checks....like they did here in NYS.


7 posted on 04/06/2010 9:00:56 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: RummyChick

have to pay taxes first...doubt if many of them do...they’re in the “where do i get tax credits” line!


8 posted on 04/06/2010 9:01:43 AM PDT by ldish (Looking forward to Independence Day)
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To: csd

Imagine what the Founders would say about this...


9 posted on 04/06/2010 9:01:51 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

Founders? Who are they? I don’t think I learned about them in public school.


10 posted on 04/06/2010 9:02:45 AM PDT by csd (CSD)
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To: Sacajaweau

Is welfare still hiring? I hear its a pretty lucrative career; tons of perks and benefits.


11 posted on 04/06/2010 9:03:42 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: boomop1
So do I....my accountant keeps trying to talk me into withholding more.....I think if I make any changes at all it will be in the area of accountants.....
12 posted on 04/06/2010 9:04:40 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: 2banana
Imagine what the Founders would say about this...

Imagine what they would do.
13 posted on 04/06/2010 9:05:07 AM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: csd

What tax refund? I always work it so that there is no refund, I usually pay in. Anyone can do this, so the plan of “don’t get health insurance”, “Pay the fine”, “sign up when I get sick “ is sill the cheapest way to go.

They will eventually need to ramp up the threats/penalties, but so far they have not hit on a punitive/effective set of rules.


14 posted on 04/06/2010 9:05:52 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Trod Upon

I KNOW what our Forefathers would’ve done and it has to do with the nearest tree they could find.


15 posted on 04/06/2010 9:06:56 AM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: boomop1
F them I always owe.

We are all going to be owing, and owing a heck of a lot more....

16 posted on 04/06/2010 9:08:07 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

I used to have an accountant that thought she was a junior IRS agent. Fired her.


17 posted on 04/06/2010 9:11:23 AM PDT by Chuckster (Domari nolo!)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Once the IRS gets their paws into the cookie jar of your bank account, they will not leave you so much as a fossilized chocolate chip.


18 posted on 04/06/2010 9:13:05 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: nina0113

I am closing one down right now, and looking at alternatives to close two other banks. I am preparing for the worst. May keep one in place with a small balance that minimizes what the Federal Government can take from me without asking.


19 posted on 04/06/2010 9:14:53 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: csd; Taxman; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; Voter#537; ...
Lose the IRS by passing The Fair Tax Act(HR25/S296). It will replace all federal income taxes with a national sales tax and abolish the IRS! Fair Tax ping!


20 posted on 04/06/2010 9:16:11 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: csd

Question - will they tap “any” refund? Like where certain folks get more back than they ever paid in?


21 posted on 04/06/2010 9:16:43 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: ilgipper

I know someone who is stockpiling large amounts of silver.. May be the only thing which can buy a loaf of bread. Gold is nice, but pricey.. “God, Gold and Guns”


22 posted on 04/06/2010 9:17:06 AM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: csd

What refund?!


23 posted on 04/06/2010 9:17:07 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: csd
the IRS will confiscate or reduce any individuals tax refund if they do not purchase health insurance.

Will all of the "31 million," now uninsured, be "insured" if they don't buy health insurance?

Am I going nuts, or is it our government that's gone nuts?

24 posted on 04/06/2010 9:17:46 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years.)
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To: csd

Tired of the Chicago politics of holding people hostage through threats! This is how the health care bill was passed. It’s brute thuggery.


25 posted on 04/06/2010 9:18:45 AM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: mlocher

If everyone claimed exemption from withholding, self employed did not pay their quarterly, and nobody filed a 1040, what would the IRS do? Arrest the whole country?

In other words, hold all of us for ransome? What the heck are they doing now?

For 130+ years, the federal government ran solely on income from tarifs and other minor forms of taxations (none of which were directly on citizens.)

What happened?


26 posted on 04/06/2010 9:18:56 AM PDT by fantail 1952 (What income tax? What income?)
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To: DBrow
They will eventually need to ramp up the threats/penalties, but so far they have not hit on a punitive/effective set of rules.

Harry Reid told Greta last night that people aren't going to cheat on health care. NO, he really said that!

27 posted on 04/06/2010 9:19:07 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: csd

I never let them use my money for a year. Just fix is so you never have a refund.


28 posted on 04/06/2010 9:19:51 AM PDT by mojitojoe (I don't care what you passed. you are irrelevant. I'll NEVER comply in any way. Read my lips, NEVER!)
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To: OldNavyVet

The penalty you pay will insure them.


29 posted on 04/06/2010 9:19:57 AM PDT by csd (CSD)
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To: csd

I never let them use my money for a year. Just fix it so you never have a refund.


30 posted on 04/06/2010 9:20:05 AM PDT by mojitojoe (I don't care what you passed. you are irrelevant. I'll NEVER comply in any way. Read my lips, NEVER!)
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To: ilgipper
So now our tyrants are going to force the issue by taking money rightfully ours? This is AMERICA?

Are we living in AMERICA?

Is it true that the health care bill has now given the government the right, at any time it choses, to look into our personal bank accounts...saving, checking, etc., and MOVE our money out if it determines we owe something? Without a court order or without notice or without discussion or even a court date? With NO DEFENSE? Are our bank accounts now like a social security number and OWNED BY THE STATE or FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?

WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING DOWN HERE?

I hope I am wrong.

31 posted on 04/06/2010 9:21:25 AM PDT by Republic (Stop the horrific liberals from spending ONE MRE DIME before they destroy our nation.)
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To: csd

My withholdings are already set that they don’t get to keep my money all year intereste free.

“When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion — when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing — when you see money flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors — when you see that men get richer by graft and pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you — when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice — you may know that your society is doomed.”

Quote by: Ayn Rand
(1905-1982) Author
Source: Atlas Shrugged, p. 413


32 posted on 04/06/2010 9:21:39 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: fantail 1952
According to Boortz, you cannot be put in jail for not paying taxes.
You CAN be jailed for refusing to file.
However, if you don't pay, they will take all the assets that they can get their hands on, but F' em. I still don't have to pay. We don't have debtors prisons.
33 posted on 04/06/2010 9:22:22 AM PDT by jrg
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To: fantail 1952
What happened?,p>Thanks for the history lesson! What happened? A piece of legislation called the Progressive Income Tax. The name Progressive is thought by many to mean that the more you earn the higher percentage you pay. However, history also tells us that progressive is the name of the movement that brought this monstrosity to us.

Progressives, liberals, socialists, Marxists..... All paths lead to h3ll.

34 posted on 04/06/2010 9:31:53 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: csd

I hate ta tell ya, but they will start withholding for health insurance, just like FICA and FUTA and all the rest. I am confident with this (obvious) prediction.


35 posted on 04/06/2010 9:34:24 AM PDT by olepap (God help us)
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To: mlocher

Apparently they havent got the memo yet. They belong to a ten by ten mile radious only


36 posted on 04/06/2010 9:37:37 AM PDT by truthbetold11 (truthbetold11)
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To: csd
Starve the beast- pay the least withholding you can get away with.
37 posted on 04/06/2010 9:42:27 AM PDT by JimRed (To water the Tree of Liberty is to excise a cancer before it kills us. TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: csd

I’ll underpay my witholding.

Whatcha going to do? Lock me up because I refuse your mandated economic transaction?

Better come very well armed.


38 posted on 04/06/2010 9:44:22 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (A MAJORITY (51%) OF TEA PARTIERS ARE DEMOCRATS OR INDEPENDENTS - GALLUP)
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To: csd

What’s a “tax refund”?


39 posted on 04/06/2010 9:45:42 AM PDT by Gator113 (I do not want Obama just IMPEACHED... I want him IMPRISONED. Are we there yet? 2010-2012)
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To: SnakeDoctor

It’s a good idea anyway not to give them so much, people should do it anyways and always owe.

Won’t matter unfortunately, they will just access your bank accounts and take the penalty.

Might be time to go bankless too. But they can always garnish wages even if your withholding is maxed.

It’s just ridiculous.


40 posted on 04/06/2010 9:46:18 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

If you don’t buy health insurance, they’ll fine you. If you don’t pay the fine, they’ll arrest you. If you resist arrest, they’ll kill you...but they better plan on bringing more than 1 body bag.


41 posted on 04/06/2010 9:46:47 AM PDT by ironwill (III - Molon Labe)
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To: csd

Fine, PECKER-HEAD; we’ll start working for cash and you can stuff your IRS.


42 posted on 04/06/2010 9:53:50 AM PDT by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American Voter.)
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To: csd
Hmmm now I'm confused with the statements of this article versus the following ????
IRS Won't Hunt the Uninsured
The Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel Online ^ | 04/06/2010 | Diana Marrero
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:24:17 AM by Joy in the Journey
A centerpiece of the new health care law calls on most Americans to buy health insurance by 2014 or start paying fines collected by the Internal Revenue Service. But IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman said Monday that federal agents won't chase after people who don't pay up.

"These are not the kinds of things we send agents out about," he said. "These are things where you get a letter from us. Congress was very careful to make sure there was nothing too punitive in this bill." …………….


43 posted on 04/06/2010 9:54:06 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen ("Listen up people, let me be perfectly clear..I inherited the unprecedented, the unexpected.")
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To: csd

And this is truly unconstitutional. The SCOTUS better do their job...


44 posted on 04/06/2010 9:56:27 AM PDT by the long march
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To: arrdon

I’d like to remove/disown the banks (and any other financial institution) but where I work - we are required to have direct deposit. So, I’m thinking - that on payday, using my debit card, withdrawing my pay over a period of several days and leave ten bucks in the account to keep it open. I’ll buy money orders instead.


45 posted on 04/06/2010 10:00:30 AM PDT by GYPSY286 (Politicians must USE their heads or Americans will LOSE their heads.)
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To: SnakeDoctor
Meh, you got to figure that most people say: "I didn't pay taxes this year, I got a refund instead!". They don't have a clue about withholding, and if they don't get a refund, they won't have a clue about that, either. :-(

Me, I tweak withholding so that I wind up with a small refund check. I'd prefer to get a few bucks back in April, rather than need to write a check, myself. Of course, it's easy to dial it the other way, too. :-)

46 posted on 04/06/2010 10:04:08 AM PDT by wbill
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To: kcvl
Harry Reid told Greta last night that people aren't going to cheat on health care.

I wonder how he explains away all the cheating that has been going on in Massachusetts--people paying the inexpensive fine instead of high insurance premiums while they are healthy, then buying insurance when they are sick, going off again when they don't need care, in a cycle that lets them rip off the system just like Greta said she feared.

47 posted on 04/06/2010 10:07:16 AM PDT by freespirited (I'm against a homogenized society because I want the cream to rise. --Robert Frost)
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To: ironwill

bzactly.


48 posted on 04/06/2010 10:07:56 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (A MAJORITY (51%) OF TEA PARTIERS ARE DEMOCRATS OR INDEPENDENTS - GALLUP)
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To: csd
IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman said yesterday that the IRS will confiscate or reduce any individuals tax refund if they do not purchase health insurance.

The one good thing about this policy is that it will convert a lot of liberals to conservative. Overnight.

49 posted on 04/06/2010 10:08:24 AM PDT by freespirited (I'm against a homogenized society because I want the cream to rise. --Robert Frost)
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To: ironwill

Actually, I haven’t decided yet whether I’m going to be a political prisoner or a rebel. It’ll be a surprise to them one way or another when it happens.


50 posted on 04/06/2010 10:10:17 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (A MAJORITY (51%) OF TEA PARTIERS ARE DEMOCRATS OR INDEPENDENTS - GALLUP)
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