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What is Barak Obama?
ConservativeHideout 2.0 ^ | 4-16-10 | Matt

Posted on 04/17/2010 9:30:43 AM PDT by ConservativeHideout

The political and religious “identity” of Barak Obama is a contentious and much debated topic these days. Claims of, “He’s a Muslim,” and “ he’s a socialist,” abound. The left, as well as the MSM are able to field these claims, and contradict them, at least partially. They are able to do this because he’s neither of these things.

Religion: While Obama may have a soft spot for Islam, he sat in Jeremiah Wright’s church for over 20 years. While Wright’s teachings are radical, they are clearly not Islamic. Like the rest of us, the radical wing of Islam would cut his head off, unless he converted.

It is well documented that he attended an Islamic school while he lived in Indonesia. That, in and of itself, does not mean that he is a Muslim, but unlike other Presidents, he has a depth of knowledge into Islam that unparalleled. That might bias him, and blind him to the potential dangers that we face. Either way, he does not appear to be Muslim, or, for that matter, Christian (or at least any Christianity with which we would be familiar).

Politics: You can call Obama a socialist. It seems to fit his model of wealth redistribution rather nicely. You might also call him a fascist, as his tampering in the banking, auto, and health care industries closely matches the actions of Mussolini and Hitler, for example, “Corporatism.” You can also call him a “progressive,” as they believed that the state, run by an “intellectual” elite, can/should wield power to shape society into something more equitable and structured. The common threads between all three are statism and elitism. The idea that the state has primacy over all human activity seems a common thread though all of Obama’s policies. And, of course, the idea of elitism; that a small group of “really smart people that know way better than you,” have the right and obligation to instruct everyone on how to live is central to any totalitarian view.

Some will say that the political theories and backgrounds conflict. They do… and they don’t. While that might come off as a contradictory statement, there is a case for stating it. To draw the comparisons and contrasts, a brief look at history is required.

During the mid to late 19th century, new political ideologies were emerging. Communism and socialism were taking root in Europe, and to a lesser degree, her in the US as well. Also, the progressive movement was emerging in the US. The leading minds of these movements were aware of each other, and followed each other’s writings and actions closely. It is safe to assume that they influenced each other.

When it became apparent that Europe was going to explode into war (WWI), there was much excitement among the socialists/communists. They had been predicting that if war came, the proletariat would rise, and there would be a vast, international communist revolution. They thought that under the stress, death, and deprivation that would come with a war, that the people would grow weary with their governments and economic systems, and “throw off their oppressors.”

It didn’t happen. With the exception of Russia, there were no successful communist revolutions. Communists certainly did make a nuisance of themselves, but the established order in the West held. More surprising was the fact that many socialists were patriotic and supported their nations in the war.

This is a crucial point in history for the socialist movement, as schisms were created by their differing reactions and ideas about the failure of the international revolution. The hard-core communists decided to use the USSR as a “base” from which to spread communism throughout the world. A smaller group of communists in Germany decided to examine what caused the failure of the international. Working from the “Frankfort School,” they tagged Western Culture as the culprit. Since Western Culture promoted patriotism, individualism, religious faith, capitalism, and self-reliance, they argued, communism couldn’t take root. Their mission, therefore, was to find ways to negate Western Culture, and allow communism to take over. We’ll get back to the Cultural Marxists in a bit.

However, it doesn’t end there. There was yet another wing. Some socialists, particularly Mussolini, decided that rather than reject national pride and western culture, that they would embrace it and use it to justify their socialism. The terms, “National Socialism and totalitarianism,” were, if memory serves, coined by Mussolini. Since the international revolution failed, he postulated that they could be done in single nations instead-hence, National Socialism. He proved that assumption in his takeover of Italy. Franco (of Spain) and Hitler followed suit.

The fascists, you see, were socialists. They used socialist rhetoric and policies. While they didn’t take over the means of production, they controlled it completely via regulation. They did redistribute wealth. They did tax heavily. They did institute massive levels of government intervention; like heavy regulation of industry, gun control, socialized medicine, and so on. They simply used the individual cultures and histories of their nations as a “wrapper” for their policies, corrupting the culture to serve their ends. Even Hitler himself suggested that the Nazis and the Bolsheviks had more in common than what separated them. He simply saw them as a competing ideology, NOT an antithetical one. From the opposite perspective, Lenin was said to lament the “loss” of Mussolini, as early in his career, Mussolini was a powerful and well thought of advocate of socialism.

At this point, it is also important to note that there was no “pure” versions of either communism or fascism. In each nation or movement, there were wide variations in doctrine and application. For example, fascist Italy did not rely on antisemitism to forward it’s goals. While Mussolini wanted to restore an “Roman Empire,” Hitler espoused the superiority of the “Aryan Race.” All had variations, just as Leninism was different from Stalinism.

Meanwhile, the progressives continued to grow in strength in the US as well. While they never seemed to gain a doctrinal type of theory or organization, they did press foreword with all sorts of governmental controls, such as eugenics (forced sterilization), increased government control over banking, labor, industry, and so on. Many prominent progressives were also were great admirers of both Mussolini and Hitler (until Hitler’s Antisemitism became too inconvenient to ignore). In turn, the Nazis took some pages out of the progressive’s playbook in terms of media manipulation and eugenics.

So, we see that the Socialists and fascists are not antithetical, but “brothers.” They were separated by their differing opinions on how to spread socialism. Progressivism was a cousin, or at least a fellow traveler of Socialism and fascism. They all knew about each other, often spoke kindly of each other, and seem to have “cross pollinated” each other’s ideas.

But what happened to the Cultural Marxists? They were booted from Germany when Hitler came to power, and they migrated to here, eventually settling at Columbia University, where they continued their work. They proposed a “long march through the institutions” in order to destroy western culture. They made good on that idea, and now, education, media, law, and even theology have all been “infected” with cultural Marxism. Here is an excerpt from an article that I quoted in a previous post on Cultural Marxism.

"The Frankfurt School again departed from orthodox Marxism, which argued that all of history was determined by who owned the means of production. Instead, they said history was determined by which groups, defined as men, women, races, religions, etc., had power or “dominance” over other groups. Certain groups, especially white males, were labeled “oppressors,” while other groups were defined as “victims.” Victims were automatically good, oppressors bad, just by what group they came from, regardless of individual behavior."

Does that sound familiar? Or what about this?

"Marcuse also widened the Frankfurt School’s intellectual work. In the early 1930s, Horkheimer had left open the question of who would replace the working class as the agent of Marxist revolution. In the 1950s, Marcuse answered the question, saying it would be a coalition of students, blacks, feminist women and homosexuals – the core of the student rebellion of the 1960s, and the sacred “victims groups” of political correctness today. Marcuse further took one of political correctness’s favorite words, “tolerance,” and gave it a new meaning. He defined “liberating tolerance” as tolerance for all ideas and movements coming from the left, and intolerance for all ideas and movements coming from the right. When you hear the cultural Marxists today call for “tolerance,” they mean Marcuse’s “liberating tolerance” (just as when they call for “diversity,” they mean uniformity of belief in their ideology).

The student rebellion of the 1960s, driven largely by opposition to the draft for the Vietnam War, gave Marcuse a historic opportunity. As perhaps its most famous “guru,” he injected the Frankfurt School’s cultural Marxism into the baby boom generation. Of course, they did not understand what it really was. As was true from the Institute’s beginning, Marcuse and the few other people “in the know” did not advertise that political correctness and multi-culturalism were a form of Marxism. But the effect was devastating: a whole generation of Americans, especially the university-educated elite, absorbed cultural Marxism as their own, accepting a poisonous ideology that sought to destroy America’s traditional culture and Christian faith. That generation, which runs every elite institution in America, now wages a ceaseless war on all traditional beliefs and institutions. They have largely won that war. Most of America’s traditional culture lies in ruins."

I would say that this is a correct assessment.

Needless to say, Cultural Marxism has infected all of our institutions. When Obama said he associated with the “radical professors,” he was being steeped in Cultural Marxism. The idea that it is somehow “unfair” that the US is so powerful and prosperous is part of that equation. Think about many of Obama’s policies and actions, and you will see Cultural Marxism.

So, as a “progressive,” Obama stands on an intellectual base that has as its foundation, elements of fascism and Marxism. Then, it’s finished off with a thick coat of Cultural Marxism. It is safe to say that he is a fascist, socialist, and a “progressive.” While none are exclusive, all are part of the foundation of his beliefs; and therefore, his actions.

Disclaimer: As usual, I could have wrote a book on this. Kindly consider this post an outline. However, Jonah Goldberg covered much of it in his fantastic book Liberal Fascism.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: barakobama; fascism; progressives; socialism

1 posted on 04/17/2010 9:30:43 AM PDT by ConservativeHideout
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To: ConservativeHideout

I’d like Manchurian Candidate for $100 Alex...


2 posted on 04/17/2010 9:32:16 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: ConservativeHideout

This tells it like it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL5bPJFHRnA


3 posted on 04/17/2010 9:34:03 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: ConservativeHideout

Jeremiah and his church? Gave a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan.....?


4 posted on 04/17/2010 9:35:25 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: ConservativeHideout
puppet_joker

5 posted on 04/17/2010 9:45:05 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: himno hero

That showed up the comments. My point was really that he isn’t a Muslim. He doesn’t really appear to me to be a Christian either. It also doesn’t seem that Wright preached any sort of Christianity that we would recognize.


6 posted on 04/17/2010 9:45:20 AM PDT by ConservativeHideout (Waiting for November...)
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To: ConservativeHideout

There’s only one thing that he IS that I care about and that is POTUS. He can go worship Baal and bark at the moon for all I care, just as long as he’s out of office.


7 posted on 04/17/2010 9:45:54 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: ConservativeHideout
While Obama may have a soft spot for Islam, he sat in Jeremiah Wright’s church for over 20 years. While Wright’s teachings are radical, they are clearly not Islamic.

Wright's teachings clearly aren't Christian, either. Obama sat in his "church" for 20 years because A) it helped him succeed in local (Chicago) politics; and B) he and Wright saw eye to eye sociologically/politically.

8 posted on 04/17/2010 9:46:00 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo (Only when one can face death without fear can one face life.)
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To: JDW11235

“Who is Barak Obama?”

You can’t lose with that answer!


9 posted on 04/17/2010 9:46:43 AM PDT by ConservativeHideout (Waiting for November...)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Yes, I beleive I said that. I didn’t want to get into the whole “Black Liberation Theology” thing. It’s an entirely separate topic.

I agree with your assessment. He is an opportunist.


10 posted on 04/17/2010 9:49:15 AM PDT by ConservativeHideout (Waiting for November...)
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To: ConservativeHideout

LOL. The Daily Double.


11 posted on 04/17/2010 9:49:18 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JDW11235
What is the truth, JDW?


12 posted on 04/17/2010 10:01:16 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: ConservativeHideout
Although I highly doubt Obama is a practicing Muslim (ie: observing the month-long Ramadan fast; bowing/praying to Mecca 5x/day; observing the diet restrictions, etc.), it's apparent he identifies with Islam more than he does with any other relgion. ...and that's Islamic enough.
13 posted on 04/17/2010 10:02:39 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo (Only when one can face death without fear can one face life.)
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To: ConservativeHideout

>>. Like the rest of us, the radical wing of Islam would cut his head off, unless he converted. <<

The rest of us would cut his head off unless he converted?

(sorry, it was there...;) )


14 posted on 04/17/2010 10:04:22 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Craven spirits wear their master's collars but real men would rather feed the battlefield's vultures)
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To: ConservativeHideout

His god is the State.


15 posted on 04/17/2010 10:06:40 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: ConservativeHideout
So ... How does someone become a Muslim?

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent." The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet?

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam. Obama chanted it with pride and finesse.

Obama to the Islamic world is Muslim. I travel to the Middle East often and hear the same thing over and over - "Did you know Barack Obama is Muslim?"

16 posted on 04/17/2010 10:07:54 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: Lady Jag

Love that pic. By the way, just to ask anyone out there. I’ve seen (and enjoyed) Frank Sinatra’s version, was the recent Liev Schreiber version that the picture based on, worth it’s salt? I’d like to know because I never got around to watch it, but my best friend has never seen either, and I was thinking of watching one with him. Just wondered if it was worth the time.

I definitely weep for the suffereing that’s coming. I don’t know about delaying of elections and what not, but I think there will be many, many more Waco style oppressions, just on a small scale, and NOT covered by the media. I think Hutaree, whether or not they were guilty of something, was training and practice for those hundreds involved. It’s gonna hit the fan eventually, and that makes me sad, for the innocent especially.


17 posted on 04/17/2010 10:08:08 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: ConservativeHideout

I think I stepped in some Barrak Obama.


18 posted on 04/17/2010 10:09:13 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: missnry; ConservativeHideout

There is virtually NOTHING to indicate Obama is not a muslim, but like Pharoah, probably now just worships himself, and pays lipservice to anything that will keep the people from getting really upset over that issue.

NOTHING indicates that he is a Christian. I’m sorry, but his behavior favors muslims, because he is/was one, whether or not he identifies himself, as one now, he most certainly has all of his worldview effected by islam, as he had to jump through those hoops to keep that money flowing and to keep from being adversely disciplined by those that empowered him. IMHO.


19 posted on 04/17/2010 10:11:55 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: ConservativeHideout

[Found before a crumbling statue of Emperor-by-Trick Barack Hussein Obama
in a glass filled desert comprising what was once known as the ‘USA’]

"We first heard of an undocumented man named Obama ,
Who denied all the confusion with a Kenyan and Osama.
At every turn, he worked to have our country defeated,
With every enemy, he conspired to have us deleted,
Smiled he, 'If death panels aren’t enough, I'll just let them chemically bomb ya'."


"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.
It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same,
or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children
and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
"
President Ronald Reagan

20 posted on 04/17/2010 10:13:03 AM PDT by Diogenesis (RN)
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To: missnry

Would the Saudis let him into Mecca if he wanted to go?


21 posted on 04/17/2010 10:13:16 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Napolean fries the idea powder.)
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To: ConservativeHideout

I will agree with some others. O’s presence in Wright’s church doesn’t prove anything about his Christianity except that he isn’t one. Wright is a marxist and his sympathies lie with the muslim and faux muslim movements, the palestinians, the jihadists, and the US born “nation of islam”.

There isn’t any contradiction between fascism and socialism and marxism. Dictators like Chavez are all three. Progressivism is just fascism with an American face. Most “progressives” are marxists or fascists or both. They wouldn’t like to be called “fascist” because it sounds like an insult, the Left customarily uses the word as a hatchet against anything they don’t like, but as a technical matter of fact most progressivism is fascism and marxism. To push this bit of logic a bit further, most populism is progressivism which is fascism and marxism.

O is probably not technically a muslim, he’s a marxist. But his sympathies lie with Islam. Islam dovetails very nicely with fascist politics, as it turns out, so it all works.


22 posted on 04/17/2010 10:25:05 AM PDT by marron
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To: freedumb2003

HA! I meant that Islamofascists would cut our heads off as well. I’ll have to mind the clauses in the future.


23 posted on 04/17/2010 10:26:23 AM PDT by ConservativeHideout (Waiting for November...)
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To: screaminsunshine

YES! That comes from the socialism/fascism part of his political background.


24 posted on 04/17/2010 10:27:30 AM PDT by ConservativeHideout (Waiting for November...)
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To: BunnySlippers

Burn your shoes, there’s no cleaner that will remove that.


25 posted on 04/17/2010 10:28:48 AM PDT by ConservativeHideout (Waiting for November...)
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To: ConservativeHideout

>>HA! I meant that Islamofascists would cut our heads off as well. I’ll have to mind the clauses in the future.<<

I know — better for a friendly note to get it out of the way. You know how the grammar Nazis can be around here ;)


26 posted on 04/17/2010 10:29:37 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Craven spirits wear their master's collars but real men would rather feed the battlefield's vultures)
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To: Paine in the Neck

not a doubt


27 posted on 04/17/2010 10:30:32 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: ConservativeHideout
Needless to say, Cultural Marxism has infected all of our institutions.
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Solution: Close every government K-12 school in this nation. Conservatives should then see that every child in this nation has access to a conservative private education that teaches and upholds Judeo Christian values and principles upon which our nation was built.

If we were to begin **NOW** within 5 to 10 years our nation's college classrooms would be filled to the brim with students who were well prepared to defend their faith and our nation's founding principles. Their Marxist professors would wither before their righteousness. Soon these students would be filling the ranks of our nation's cultural institutions.

Can conservatives do this? YES!

How?

Conservative could set up education foundations that would award grants to individual conservative teachers. The teachers would open tuition-free one room schools in their homes or small rented spaces. The foundations would certify the teacher, test the students, and approve the curriculum.

The conservative foundations would also break the back of government monopoly sports by sponsoring community sports leagues, cheerleading squads, and bands and orchestras. They would also provide community wide theater, art, and music programs.

The foundations would organize the parents to oppose all funding of government K-12 schooling and work for the complete disestablishment of government K-12 schooling.

While I dislike giving education away for free, this is the price charged by the government schools. At least initially, if the government as set the price of its cartel schools at tuition-free, then conservatives must match that price.

Harvard has an endowment of 35 BILLION! Colleges and universities in this nation have endowments in the BILLIONS! ( Much of it donated by stupid conservatives.) Surely conservatives could do the same....but...

1) Conservatives must understand and see the threat that government schooling (which is fundamentally socialist in funding and design) poses to our nation.

2) Understand that to fight Marxism we must have both short term and LONG TERM strategies for taking back America's cultural institutions.

28 posted on 04/17/2010 10:36:16 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: ConservativeHideout


The Joker
29 posted on 04/17/2010 10:39:17 AM PDT by Frdm11
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To: JDW11235
I haven't seen that one, either.

Chin up, though. America is unique on this planet. It was settle by people who fought for themselves.

Today is Ellis Island Family History Day.


WE KNOW THE PRICE.


30 posted on 04/17/2010 10:46:21 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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“Chin up, though. America is unique on this planet. It was settle by people who fought for themselves. “

Thanks for that and the pic, they’ve made my day. I think America is special too, I have hope we’ll come out ok, I just am sad over the price that MUST be paid, by every man woman and child (eventually), for the freedom we so desperately seek. Someone will ALWAYS come to take it, sooner or later. Generations just forget every few years, because we become focused on the here and now, and keep repeating it.

(My ancestors came over much earlier, or by a different route, later), but Hooray for Ellis Island, Liberty, and what she stands for.


31 posted on 04/17/2010 10:51:54 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JDW11235

Good point. People do forget. They get caught up in being prosperous, and forget those people and ideas that allowed their prosperity. It does seem though, that we are seeing an awakening.


32 posted on 04/17/2010 11:13:07 AM PDT by ConservativeHideout (Waiting for November...)
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To: ConservativeHideout

Yep, and that gives me hope. Unfortunately I see only one means historically that has acheived freedom from this level of tyrrany and despotism, and I think it was Jefferson who outlined the refreshing of the Tree of Liberty, and I don’t think it was meant as a metaphorical allusion.


33 posted on 04/17/2010 11:20:02 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Paine in the Neck

I think they’ve paid his way there!


34 posted on 04/17/2010 11:21:53 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: ConservativeHideout
"Uh, I think that Amerika has gotten too big for it's britches, and I plan to knock it down to size. Um, and , Muhammed is merciful" !


35 posted on 04/17/2010 11:25:11 AM PDT by timestax (Why do LIBERALS pay NO TAXES$$$? eh)
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To: JDW11235


To what Ellis Island stands for


36 posted on 04/17/2010 11:42:07 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: ConservativeHideout
That generation, which runs every elite institution in America, now wages a ceaseless war on all traditional beliefs and institutions.

Not me. I have never broken faith with my country. I loathed the stinking hippies when I was in college, and I love them no more now that they have haircuts and suits.
37 posted on 04/17/2010 12:53:36 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: timestax

bttt


38 posted on 04/18/2010 9:21:53 AM PDT by timestax (Why do LIBERALS pay NO TAXES$$$? eh)
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To: ConservativeHideout

What is Barrack Obama? A socialist pig who hates this country and the principles it stands for. He is absolutely the worst person ever to be elected to the office of President. Although I have the utmost respect for the office, I have no respect for someone who use the office to undermine the foundations of the country.


39 posted on 06/29/2012 3:31:58 PM PDT by reader25
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