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Stephen Hawking Says Aliens Exist... But Are They an End-Times Deception?
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Posted on 04/24/2010 5:48:57 PM PDT by nysuperdoodle

Interesting thoughts on "aliens" by Stephen Hawking. Question - Is it possible that "aliens" are really just a demonic deception that will be revealed in the last days to lead us astray?

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TOPICS: Religion; Science; UFO's
KEYWORDS: aliens; apocalypse; deception; demonic; endtimes; hawking
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1 posted on 04/24/2010 5:48:57 PM PDT by nysuperdoodle
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To: Quix

*ping*


2 posted on 04/24/2010 5:51:49 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: nysuperdoodle

Lets just hope they don’t think we’re the demonic deception.


3 posted on 04/24/2010 5:53:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: nysuperdoodle

No.


4 posted on 04/24/2010 5:53:58 PM PDT by thoolou ("I may have invented it, but Bill made it famous." - David Bradley, inventor of Ctrl-Alt-Del)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL!


5 posted on 04/24/2010 5:54:50 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

If they do, we’re screwed.


6 posted on 04/24/2010 5:55:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: nysuperdoodle
In simple terms - Be careful out there


7 posted on 04/24/2010 5:57:05 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Quix

pingaling


8 posted on 04/24/2010 5:59:07 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: cripplecreek

If they really do exist, a lot of other things are screwed as well.


9 posted on 04/24/2010 5:59:16 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: darkwing104

10 posted on 04/24/2010 5:59:28 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I remember one religious person theorizing that the reason that aliens all had the same body type is because the aliens weren’t really from outerspace, but demons and the bodies were merely their shells.

As for abductions and experiments, well, I don’t know what to think of that stuff.


11 posted on 04/24/2010 5:59:37 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: nysuperdoodle

I’ve never been a fan of Stephen Hawking. I’ve always had the impression that he’s one of these modern day mad geniuses that is so smart, that he’s literally gone “out of orbit”, and left reality behind.

In time, maybe he’ll create some mathematical formula that enables mankind to build faster-than-lightspeed ships, which will make it possible for us to colonize far-away earth-like planets. Perhaps.

In the meantime, he’s been a tenured professor for something like 30 years or more, and as far as I know, he’s never produced anything of practical value for society, but has been lauded endlessly as the successor to Einstein.

Has the man ever earned that accolade? I don’t know that he has.


12 posted on 04/24/2010 6:04:58 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: nysuperdoodle

Yep, and they will shed their human skin to reveal their reptilian one.


13 posted on 04/24/2010 6:10:00 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: nysuperdoodle

I have read several alien abduction stories, and other encounters with aliens. I don’t know where spielberg got his idea for a nice cute loving alien because he certainly didn’t get it from people who believe they have had encounters. In all of the stories I have read the aliens are simply cruel, treating humans like we might treat mice or guinea pigs.

If aliens exist I would say they are evil, and so would go with the demon label. However, if one asked me to take him to “my leader”, I would have no problem giving him Obama’s address.


14 posted on 04/24/2010 6:10:16 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (END THE WAR ON LIBERTY!)
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To: nysuperdoodle
In all due respect to Mr Hawking, who I admire greatly, the 'end-times' aliens are already here and have been for some time ....


15 posted on 04/24/2010 6:10:36 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Windflier

He says aliens exist, but that a supernatural God with whom humans can have a personal relationship “seems most implausible”. Hmmm.


16 posted on 04/24/2010 6:12:09 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: LucyJo
He says aliens exist, but that a supernatural God with whom humans can have a personal relationship “seems most implausible”.

Well, he didn't rule out the possibility of a Supreme Being, but it's just one man's thoughts.

Hawking is welcome to whatever theories of the supernatural float his boat. Just like any other person. I just don't think that I'll be buying stock in most of them.

I do agree with him, however, that there are other intelligent species in the universe. It can't be otherwise. It's been calculated that if you took every grain of sand on every beach in the world, and counted them all, you wouldn't have as many grains of sand as there are stars in the universe.

That's an incomprehensible number. Understand also that many of those stars have planets orbiting them, which is an even bigger number.

In my view, the universe is literally teeming with life, though I have little but reasoning and logic to support that view.

17 posted on 04/24/2010 6:25:01 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: nysuperdoodle

This is the same Hawking who came up with the goofy theory of multiple “parallel universes” without a shred of evidence to back it up for the sole reason that he couldn’t accept the fact that the anthropic principle points unerringly to a creator of the universe.


18 posted on 04/24/2010 6:25:15 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: HerrBlucher

I do not think they would bother him, after he show them his 666 birthmark on the back of his scalp.


19 posted on 04/24/2010 6:26:02 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: HerrBlucher
If aliens exist I would say they are evil, and so would go with the demon label.

However, if one asked me to take him to “my leader”, I would have no problem giving him Obama’s address.

Good one!

20 posted on 04/24/2010 6:26:32 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: nysuperdoodle

“He suggests that aliens might simply raid Earth for its resources and then move on: “We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.””

It seems Hawking has mistaken watching recent Sci-Fi out of Hollywood for research.

These guys - Sagan, Hawking, they pull numbers out of their wazoo and then claim it is “rational” to be certain of something. As smart as some of these guys claim to be, none seem to want to admit that they have no idea if they are off by a factor of 10, 100, or 1,000,000++ with their mathematical estimates.

Then Hawking’s mathematical mind doesn’t address the impossibly vast distances and times that any intelligent aliens would have to conquer to even make us aware of them.

The mathematical fact is that even if you believe there are millions of intelligent alien civilizations out there, it is so highly unlikely that we’d even detect them, much less be visited by them - friendly or not.

I’m surprised otherwise rational folks can even pretend to be be serious about this topic.


21 posted on 04/24/2010 6:26:50 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: circlecity
This is the same Hawking who came up with the goofy theory of multiple “parallel universes” without a shred of evidence to back it up...

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

The guy sits around dreaming up fantastic theories, none of which have any practical application, yet he's adored and worshiped as the ultimate high guru of physics.

I'll bet that a lot of hard-working physicists have their own thoughts about that.

22 posted on 04/24/2010 6:31:40 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: nysuperdoodle

Why would demons bother to create the illusion of flying saucers, grays, LGMs, etc.? Seems like a waste of everyone’s energy.


23 posted on 04/24/2010 6:32:48 PM PDT by ottbmare (I could agree wth you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: Windflier

“In my view, the universe is literally teeming with life, though I have little but reasoning and logic to support that view. “

In this point, you are in complete alignment with Hawking. But you at least recognize the actual vastness of the problem and have the humility to admit there is no way to actually know the answer to the alien life question.


24 posted on 04/24/2010 6:34:05 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: darkwing104
If they're there, they'll look like this.


25 posted on 04/24/2010 6:37:34 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Do you remember when scientists just did scientific experiments and tried to make scientific break throughs that would benefit mankind like discovery of a polio vaccine, or disease resistant crops, or discovering electricity etc. etc. without indulging in speculation and wild fantasy? Yeah, me neither.
26 posted on 04/24/2010 6:40:52 PM PDT by ProvenWays
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To: ottbmare
Why would demons bother to create the illusion of flying saucers, grays, LGMs, etc.? Seems like a waste of everyone’s energy.

They wouldn't.

I just watched about an hour of clips from NASA missions where they filmed objects in space which clearly changed trajectory in mid-flight, cast shadows on the moon, were detected by ground-based telemetry, and exhibited other strange behavior, such as matching the exact speed and direction of our spacecraft before moving off.

In some of these clips, the astronauts can be heard having conversations with the ground controllers about these objects. Many times, the word "visitors" was used to describe them by both crew and controllers.

There's a video of Edgar Mitchell, famous astronaut, talking about the fact that he and every other astronaut of the Apollo and Gemini missions observed strange, unknown craft operating in their mission vicinities.

He goes on to say that there's no question that earth is under constant surveillance by extraterrestrials, and that governments all over the world are hiding this fact.

27 posted on 04/24/2010 6:44:32 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

“I do agree with him, however, that there are other intelligent species in the universe.”

I agree, but I do not think we have ever been, or will be visited.
I know that you kook to kook AM fans get your panties in a twist over that, but it is only my opinion.

Keep in mind, the nearest star that could have planets with life is 11 light years away, baring some unknown law of physics that relate to parallel universes...oh, whatever....


28 posted on 04/24/2010 6:47:16 PM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: Windflier
Is There Intelligent Life in Outer Space?

I think this is an excellent article on the subject.

29 posted on 04/24/2010 6:48:12 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: nysuperdoodle

On a purely personal note, I can’t help thinking we should do our best to find intelligent life on Earth before we start worrying about finding aliens from outer space.


30 posted on 04/24/2010 6:52:29 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Windflier

He says the tiny black holes that might come from CERN will evaporate (”Hawking Radiation”) and are nothing to worry about. Or maybe not.


31 posted on 04/24/2010 6:54:54 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (NEW TAG ====> **REPEAL OR REBEL!** -- Islam Delenda Est! -- Rumble thee forth)
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To: Windflier
Hawking was among the very first to describe the characteristics of black holes. That alone is all needed to make him an icon. Hawking radiation etc.

With the universe as old as it is (13.75 ±0.17 billion years old), were star-travel possible, it would have been done ten thousand times, or so, by now in our galaxy alone. It hasn't, so it won't. (Implies it CAN'T...)

The election of obama indicates all high tech civilizations are suicidal.

32 posted on 04/24/2010 6:58:45 PM PDT by Huebolt (Government bureaucracies: DE-UNIONIZE, DOWNSIZE, DECENTRALIZE)
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To: RFEngineer
Well, I did say that it's just "my view". Everyone falls somewhere on this subject, from complete disbelief, to total bug-eyed certainty that "aliens are among us!"

For me, simple reason and logic dictate that I must accept that there can't be but only one planet in the entire universe that supports intelligent life.

As far as whether "they're" here or not, there's a mountain of evidence to support the notion that they are. Having never witnessed them firsthand myself, I tend to believe the decades worth of reports I've seen.

Again, reason and logic tell me that all of those reports can't be false. There are just too many of them, and many come from extremely reliable, and highly qualified witnesses. Then there's the photographic evidence, radar signatures, ground impressions, radiation readings, etc. There's simply too much of it to ignore.

Here's another one... remember ALH 84001, the Mars meteorite that was found in Antarctica back in 1996? To this day, I believe that that rock contains microscopic fossils of once-living creatures.

It's a big universe, and we haven't even begun to scratch the surface of it yet. There are lifetimes worth of incredible discoveries to come.

33 posted on 04/24/2010 6:59:38 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: BIGLOOK

What the heck is that? A crystalline life form?


34 posted on 04/24/2010 7:00:51 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: AlexW
...you kook to kook AM fans...

Why does everyone who wants to have an intelligent conversation about this subject have to get thrown in with the bug-eyed lunatics and true believers?

Can't a person reach their own conclusions based on their own observations and reasoned analysis?

Sheeesh....

35 posted on 04/24/2010 7:06:11 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
He says the tiny black holes that might come from CERN will evaporate (”Hawking Radiation”) and are nothing to worry about. Or maybe not.

Gee, that makes me all warm and fuzzy.

36 posted on 04/24/2010 7:08:05 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
A virus.

But hey! What's a few million years on Earth to evolve and take over after a million light years travel in space.
37 posted on 04/24/2010 7:08:59 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: nysuperdoodle
Is it possible that "aliens" are really just a demonic deception that will be revealed in the last days to lead us astray?

The present US regime must be filled with aliens given the level of deception that flows out of WDC these days.

38 posted on 04/24/2010 7:12:46 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: nysuperdoodle

What if the aliens planted “End Times Prophecies” in ancient religions to thwart and confuse humanity because their timeline for taking over the planet was thousand of years in the future?


39 posted on 04/24/2010 7:13:14 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Huebolt
Hawking was among the very first to describe the characteristics of black holes. That alone is all needed to make him an icon.

Fair enough, but I wonder if his theories about black holes have ever been proven? If he's responsible for an honest breakthrough in that area, then he deserves the accolades for it.

With the universe as old as it is (13.75 ±0.17 billion years old), were star-travel possible, it would have been done ten thousand times, or so, by now in our galaxy alone. It hasn't, so it won't.

Ah...but you're proceeding from the postulate that "it's never been done", which you cannot prove. Many believe that it has, and that star travel has been going on for millions of years throughout the cosmos.

Neither one of those propositions can be proven conclusively at present, so we're left with the lingering question, aren't we?

40 posted on 04/24/2010 7:14:30 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

“Can’t a person reach their own conclusions based on their own observations and reasoned analysis?’

Of course they can.
I was referring to the kooks that see ET on every street corner, and claim to see flying saucers every day.


41 posted on 04/24/2010 7:16:47 PM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: Windflier

I was being sarcastic. I’m a Christian, but I get a bit exasperated when my coreligionists sometimes attribute anything inconvenient to demons, from dinosaurs to ET visitors to some of the findings of science.


42 posted on 04/24/2010 7:17:14 PM PDT by ottbmare (I could agree wth you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: nysuperdoodle
I prefer to harbor the hope that any intelligent life ‘out there’ that have advanced scientifically sufficient to reach us has also advanced in intelligence - socially - beyond what we so far have - as it's not looking too promising down here.

After the thousands of years we've had to progress, it's not looking like we've gotten very far.

Indeed, lately, I'm thinking some of our previous civilizations may have been further along than we are mow - I'm not sure we aren't REgressing.

43 posted on 04/24/2010 7:17:46 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: ottbmare

“Why would demons bother to create the illusion of flying saucers, grays, LGMs, etc.? Seems like a waste of everyone’s energy.”

Here’s a few reasons, prefaced by this thought - we know what’s coming:

“For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.” Matthew 24:24 (NKJV)

1. The “New Age” is very open to the idea of “ascended spiritual masters” and are very open about their belief in alien life forms, frequently claiming contact with them, as well as claiming that these aliens are pointing us towards global unity, global government, environmentalism and earth worship, while also saying that the aliens haven’t contacted us openly yet because we’re “not ready” yet. Frequently they cite Christianity and nationalism as the limiting factors in raising the “vibration” of life here in Earth.

2. In order for the globalists and new agers to fully take charge of Earth, as we know they are destined to do for a time (if you read your Bible), they have to get some serious credibility from somewhere.

3. The emergence of “alien” life forms would be a great vehicle to do that, as they would be viewed as immediate authorities, and many people have been conditioned (like some of the posters right here on this thread” to see “aliens” as superior to us in technological, intellectual, and even spiritual matters. If these “aliens” pointed us all towards the global government and a “new age” many would follow.

4. A demonic ability to transcend space and time in the spiritual realm could be easily explained as “advanced technology” as could all their supernatural abilities.

5. Since they come from another world - one without Jesus - we could assume that the emergence of “aliens” would be seen as supreme evidence disproving biblical Christianity and creation. They may even claim to BE gods - the ones who created us. Or they may claim to be further “evolved” than we are - thereby disproving the existence of God for many.

Those are just a few thoughts. There is more than just a little speculation involved, but it seems like the pieces would fit. It seems to me that the last thing a demon would appear as would be a demon. What could be better than a super-evolved, altruistic, mystic alien race to guide us away from God’s word?... I’m just sayin’

Now where did I put my tin foil hat?


44 posted on 04/24/2010 7:19:00 PM PDT by nysuperdoodle
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To: LucyJo

Great article, though I only skimmed a few sections in between posts. One of the better, more reasoned analyses that I’ve seen lately.


45 posted on 04/24/2010 7:19:12 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

that’a been my thinging -


46 posted on 04/24/2010 7:19:35 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: nysuperdoodle
It’s true! It’s true!


47 posted on 04/24/2010 7:21:14 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: AlexW
I was referring to the kooks that see ET on every street corner, and claim to see flying saucers every day.

Ok. It sounded as though you were denouncing any and everyone who wanted to talk about this.

I also have no patience for kooks.

48 posted on 04/24/2010 7:23:57 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Well he does have that cool voice box thing.


49 posted on 04/24/2010 7:26:15 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: nysuperdoodle

What is your own comment? And who the hell is ECR? And why should I navigate to some teenager’s Facebook to get more? Geez.


50 posted on 04/24/2010 7:26:55 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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