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To: Beloved Levinite

Sorry, but the BCE folks are in the right here, even if the first guy was a little too abrupt and curt.

This Canadian was deliberately trying to start a fight and make an issue. He got what he deserved. When you enter the USA, you play by our rules and you answer the questions without the attitude and the smart-ass responses. If you think these guys were nasty to him, you should try that with the Canadians when entering their country.

These guys are trying to protect our country. If you think their job is to be a Welcome Wagon for Canadian a$$holes, spend a day with them at the border and see what crap they have to put up with.

The good news here is that this guy and his wife are now on the list and will be denied entry into the United States from now on. Good riddance to them. Maybe their story will straighten out other Canadians coming here with a chip on their shoulders.


7 posted on 05/19/2010 6:12:30 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: oldbill

IMHO, your a nut.


11 posted on 05/19/2010 6:17:53 PM PDT by glasseye
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To: oldbill
The good news here is that this guy and his wife are now on the list and will be denied entry into the United States from now on. Good riddance to them. Maybe their story will straighten out other Canadians coming here with a chip on their shoulders.

Since when did we start imposing civil/criminal punishments without a trial? I'm pretty sure the Sixth amendment has something to say about that.
Since when did we start inflicting de facto exile/banishment for getting into an argument with the police? I'm pretty sure the Eighth amendment has something to say about that.

I certainly didn't spend 9 years in the Army to allow the police/border-patrol to ignore the Constitution I swore to defend.

15 posted on 05/19/2010 6:21:32 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: oldbill

Crap, buddy, absolute crap!


25 posted on 05/19/2010 6:42:27 PM PDT by CanGyrene (CanGyrene)
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To: oldbill

>> Sorry, but the BCE folks are in the right here... If you think their job is to be a Welcome Wagon for Canadian a$$holes

+1.

The folks that have their knickers in a bunch on this thread are confusing the SUBSTANTIAL rights of a US citizen already in this country with the rights of a FOREIGNER desiring to ENTER this country. THEIR rights are essentially ZERO, until they’re admitted.

If you’re a smartass Canadian and his wife, you do NOT have any God-given (or constitutionally guaranteed) right to go down to Niagra and shop! Get over it, Loonie.

Of course you’re a wetback sneaking into the country, your rights are over and above the rights of a US citizen these days, but that sorry state of affairs is adequately covered in other threads. :-)


26 posted on 05/19/2010 6:42:41 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: oldbill

They were under the impression that “this is America”. No, that WAS America. Now the guy at the top is a thug and he sets the tone so every little bureaucrat in a uniform thinks he can be one. Granted, the Canadian man was a bit flip but his behavior in no way warranted the little Hitler routine he got from all 3 border agents.

By the way, a friend and I got even worse treatment from Canadian border agents when we flew into a western province. Very similar bureaucrat-out-of-control stuff with absolutely no foundation. Being polite and answering questions did not help. I thought at the time, man I’m glad I’m American. Ironic, isn’t it?


30 posted on 05/19/2010 6:48:54 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: oldbill

I’ve crossed that very border about 10 times a year since I was a baby. I’ve crossed there (and at the Peace Bridge) in cars, on bicycles and on foot. Whats been hammered into me as long as I can remember is...DON’T BE AN A..HOLE WITH THE BORDER PEOPLE!!!
This isn’t a new rule. I don’t think that jerk would have been treated much different in 1965. If I acted that way towards a CDN officer, I’d expect the same.
They also prod and provoke just to get a sense of who you are, sample questions I’ve really been asked:
“are you bringing any business machines with you?”
“ do you have any weapons,hand grenades etc with you?”
“ how much vodka is in that orange juice?
This guy failed the Ahole test and this is what has always happened on the bridges when you do.


45 posted on 05/19/2010 7:41:15 PM PDT by singletrack (..................................................................)
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To: oldbill
These guys are trying to protect our country. If you think their job is to be a Welcome Wagon for Canadian a$$holes, spend a day with them at the border and see what crap they have to put up with.

I always wondered what WWCA stood for.

95 posted on 05/19/2010 10:42:27 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: oldbill
even if the first guy was a little too abrupt and curt.

He was a douche bag. Just the tone of his voice should have gotten him strip searched.

98 posted on 05/20/2010 3:19:24 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: oldbill
I have crossed into the US hundreds of times. I have been pulled over for secondary inspection one time, because we fit a profile of someone they were looking for. We were not interviewed, just asked for a written declaration of who we were and how much money we had while the dogs went through the car.

The last time I went through was particularly harrowing. I have to mention that I have a border card that "pre clears" me for US travel, something like a "trusted traveller" card. It is issued by the US government and they have prints and photos of me. They were pre-inspecting cars before you reached the booths, it was either an exercise or they had some kind of intelligence they were acting on. The car in front of me was given particular scrutiny, trunk searched, and then the officer walked the car over for secondary inspection. When my turn finally came, I held my card up to the reader and proceeded to the booth. As I held my ID card out the window the conversation went like this:

Me: "Hello"

Officer: Staring at his computer screen, not taking my ID: "What is your last name?

Me: "FPC" (I was able to answer correctly without hesitation)

Officer: "Is this your car?

Me: "Yes"

Officer: "Have a nice day"

Me: "You too."

You have to realize that, when you cross the border you are attempting to enter another country. They can ask you anything they want and search you without any cause. You have to govern yourself accordingly and things will usually work out. There is no advantage to mouthing off to these guys, they have all the cards and you are at their mercy. That's just how it is.

For every Canadian who gets hassled at the border there is a story of an American getting the business coming into Canada. It happens.

99 posted on 05/20/2010 5:23:27 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: oldbill

People going to a Mall should never be asked what store your are going. That is a trick question. I can’t remember what stores are in a mall if you ask me. I just don’t care to memorize the names. Who would care that much? I F’n don’t care that much about any group of mall stores.


101 posted on 05/20/2010 9:42:10 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Thank You God for Freeing the Navy Seals)
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To: oldbill
Nobody deserves to be screamed at and arrested over which store at the outlet mall they are visiting, even if the guy was being intentionally difficult himself. The point is that this was an unnecessary confrontation with an irate but completely harmless traveler, and the border agent did everything in his power to escalate it into something much bigger than it ever needed to be - thereby wasting his time (which should be spent looking for actual threats) and probably the time of hundreds of other travelers waiting in line at the bridge.

I've been through this exact same border crossing many times and the U.S. guards there *are* complete @$$holes. It doesn't matter where you are from or how polite and cooperative you are. They like their authority and they use everything as a pretext to exercise it for the sake of exercising it. A little "hello, and welcome to the United States? May I ask the purpose of your visit today?" would go a long way.

107 posted on 05/28/2010 11:51:06 AM PDT by conimbricenses
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To: oldbill
The Canadian border folks take no crap from anyone. I suspect the chip on this guy's shoulder caused him to look hinky to the inspector, so he was yanked for secondary inspection.

Guy sounds like a spoiled brat to boot. And frankly, I've never met a Canadian with this type of attitude - ever.

Most, if not all of them fear all authority and submit like little sheep. (And yes, I do enjoy the company of Canadians)

111 posted on 06/25/2010 11:30:10 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating Heart)
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To: oldbill

I couldn’t agree with you more.


171 posted on 06/25/2010 8:55:14 PM PDT by Gator113 (OBAMA IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.. IMPEACH OBAMA NOW..)
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