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64% In Arizona Say Children Born To Illegals Should Not Automatically Become U.S. Citizens
hotairpundit ^ | 7/4/10 | HAP

Posted on 07/05/2010 11:29:39 AM PDT by Talkradio03

New Poll finds that 64% agree that children born to illegal immigrants should not automatically become citizens of the United States. Twenty-six percent (26%) disagree and say these children should... (Poll)

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2010polls; aliens; anchorbaby; arizona; immigrationpoll; jackpotbabies

1 posted on 07/05/2010 11:29:43 AM PDT by Talkradio03
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To: Talkradio03
(26%) disagree

Illegals, adult children of a illegals, and America-despising leftists.

2 posted on 07/05/2010 11:33:44 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Talkradio03
Twenty-six percent (26%) disagree and say these children should...

Now we know the Illegal Alien population of Arizona

3 posted on 07/05/2010 11:33:49 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Socialism: Subsidizing Chaff at the expense of Wheat)
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To: Talkradio03

99% of these anchor babies are conceived to make the illegal alien parents eligible to receive government freebies for the “family”. Period. “American” has nothing to do with it. It’s about free money and healthcare.


4 posted on 07/05/2010 11:35:12 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("A republic, if you can keep it." - Benjamin Franklin, 1787)
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To: Talkradio03

In some cases, a couple of generations have passed. Their children, born here, aren’t citizens?? Of course they are.


5 posted on 07/05/2010 11:36:50 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Talkradio03

The rules with regard to “anchor babies” need to be revised. It might have worked back in the day when most everyone came through Ellis Island. Doesn’t work so well nowadays.


6 posted on 07/05/2010 11:37:23 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Talkradio03

64% of the people of Arizona need to read the Constitution and pay special attention to the 14th Amendment.

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”


7 posted on 07/05/2010 11:40:28 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: USMCPOP

Amendment 14 shows the danger of a written Constitution. When a mistake is made in the wording, it is almost impossible to correct.


8 posted on 07/05/2010 11:41:36 AM PDT by calmike
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To: Talkradio03

Take a minute to consider the reason the whole “anchor baby” problem exists. It started as a way to ensure citizenship for children of recently emancipated slaves. The children of men and women who had suffered, alongside their families and friends, the scourge of slavery. It was a way to protect them and ensure that upon their freedom they would not be cast aside and ignored because they were strangers in a strange land. It was meant to mend the wounds and protect their futures.

And now look at it. What was once a good and noble thing is being used to take away from the descendants of those men and women who toiled beneath the crack of the whip and suffered the whim of slavery’s cruel masters. People who HAVE a country are fleeing its corruption and danger, bringing their troubles into our homes, and taking advantage of the Amendment meant to protect the rights of those who would have had nothing.

And it’s sad to say, but black Americans are GIVING away their legacy when they support the invasion of illegals.

But then, many don’t care about history or facts. Most of them wouldn’t sag their pants if they knew where that came from. If THAT slips by, why would they care about the anchor baby problem?


9 posted on 07/05/2010 11:43:12 AM PDT by HushTX ( quit whining)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I’m a legal American citizen and I must show my ID when:
1. Pulled over by the police.
2. Making purchases on my department store credit card.
3. When I show up for a doctor’s appointment.
4. When filling out a credit card or loan application.
5 When applying for or renewing a driver’s license or passport.
6. When applying for any kind of insurance.
7. When filling out college applications.
8. When donating blood.
9. When obtaining certain prescription drugs.
10. When making some debit purchases, especially
if I’m out of state.
11. When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel.

I’m sure there are more instances, but the point is that we citizens of the USA are required to prove who we are nearly every day!

Why should people in this country illegally, be exempt!!!!!

For that matter, perhaps the liberals can answer the question: Why shouldn’t we guard our borders as closely as every other country in the world does?

Go ARIZONA !!!


10 posted on 07/05/2010 11:46:17 AM PDT by aloppoct (stucnsf)
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To: Talkradio03

Gee!at least there are some Americans who still have common sense.


11 posted on 07/05/2010 11:48:00 AM PDT by puppypusher
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To: Talkradio03

Even if their fathers name was Oingo Boingo? Like our undocumented alien executive?


12 posted on 07/05/2010 11:51:46 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you, O you most proud, said the Lord God of hosts.)
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To: Talkradio03

Maybe in a perfect world where we could trust our elected reps to do the right thing it would be rational to amend the contitution to accomplish this. I’m skeptical, however, that if we remove the establishment of citizenship by being born here, a runaway congress and executive might twist it and use it against whomever they want.

I think a rational immigration policy that is elastic enough to accomidate our needs would solve the largest part of our problems without giving rise to consequences we can only imagine. When we have a free for all on the southern border all of the other consequnces from that are offensive but I think it’s very important that we solve the right problems without creating new ones.


13 posted on 07/05/2010 11:52:05 AM PDT by dajeeps
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To: trumandogz
64% of the people of Arizona need to read the Constitution and pay special attention to the 14th Amendment.: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Your name must be Kagan. Don't give up your day job to become a Constitutional lawyer. Between those commas lies the rub, and it will eventually be settled at the Supreme Court.

None other than Felipe Calderon says that his people illegally in the United States are still Mexican with Mexican rights and protections, and US laws require that if a Mexican is arrested, we have to notify their embassy/consulate and allow them access to the culprit. Doesn't sound like unlimited "jurisdiction" to me.

And also explain why the children of diplomats, foreign military, and others resident in the United States are NOT given birthright citizenship.

14 posted on 07/05/2010 11:54:28 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: oldbill

Oh thats easy,He cant.


15 posted on 07/05/2010 12:16:22 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: calmike
"Amendment 14 shows the danger of a written Constitution. When a mistake is made in the wording, it is almost impossible to correct."

So, you would prefer the ephemeral, intuitive, virtual sort of constitution that emanates rights and duties every time a Supreme Court Justice has an episode of senile dementia?

(Not that we don't already have something approaching that.)


16 posted on 07/05/2010 12:20:14 PM PDT by shibumi ( "Tsuru no Sugomori")
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To: trumandogz

You’re right but the 14th is now detrimental to the Country and should be repealed.


17 posted on 07/05/2010 12:30:11 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: trumandogz

64% of the people of Arizona need to read the Constitution and pay special attention to the 14th Amendment.

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”


No, you are absolutely wrong. “Subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” means the country of which you are a citizen. This is the reason tribal Indians are not considered citizens of the U.S. under the 14th Amendment, they are subject to the primary jurisdiction of their tribes. (An Act of Congress gave most tribal Indians a non-constitutional citizenship right in 1924.)

A Mexican illegal is “subject to the jurisdiction” of Mexico. His children are not citizens of the U.S. If you read the statements of the drafters of the 14th Amendment, they made this clear. This is what the drafter of the 14th Am., Senator Jacob Howard, said about the citizenship clause:

“Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.”

The 14th Amendment is now being interpreted exactly the opposite the way it was intended.


18 posted on 07/05/2010 12:44:37 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: kaehurowing; All

Giving citizenship to illegal alien jackpot babies is a modern day perversion of the 14th amendment.

“Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

Senator Jacob Howard,
co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.


19 posted on 07/05/2010 12:50:01 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

The 14th Amendment was created insure that freed slaves were not denied access to their now full rights.

The USA is only one of about 34 countries that grant citizenship based on geography.


20 posted on 07/05/2010 1:20:58 PM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: AuntB

The 14th Amendment was created insure that freed slaves were not denied access to their now full rights.

The USA is only one of about 34 countries that grant citizenship based on geography.


21 posted on 07/05/2010 1:21:09 PM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I hear that the parents also use the automatically granted SS card to gain employment. If the kid is a girl, mommy gets a job, a boy, then daddy. They steal their own kid’s identity.


22 posted on 07/05/2010 1:28:29 PM PDT by GrannyAnn
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To: kaehurowing; oldbill

Illegal Aliens in the United States are considered to be “under the jurisdiction” of the United States, as well as the state. county/parish and city that they occupy.

Therefore, when an Illegal Alien commits a crime in the United States and is apprehended, he is either deported under the authority of the federal government or prosecuted by an officer of a federal, country/parish or city court.

In addition, every person in the United States, here legally or not, citizen or non citizen is protected by the Bill of Rights.

And I am not quite sure where you guys came under the impression that every Illegal Alien somehow deserves Diplomatic Immunity and thus is not under the jurisdiction of the United States and the state where they reside.

As for me, I will adhere to the principles of Strict Constructionism and not try to twist the words of our Framers.


23 posted on 07/05/2010 1:33:17 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz
Illegal Aliens in the United States are considered to be “under the jurisdiction” of the United States

Negative. That is another wild eyed, moonbat "social justice" determination by our Super Legislature called the Supreme Court.

24 posted on 07/05/2010 1:40:22 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie
Negative. That is another wild eyed, moonbat "social justice" determination by our Super Legislature called the Supreme Court.

So you think they cannot be arrested and prisoned for violating US Law?

25 posted on 07/05/2010 1:45:37 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Jacquerie

“That is another wild eyed, moonbat “social justice” determination by our Super Legislature called the Supreme Court.”

Oh, I see, you advocate granting Diplomatic Immunity to all foreign nationals in the United States?

That would indeed be interesting and as a dual citizen I could simply ignore all federal, state and local laws.

I like the way you think!


26 posted on 07/05/2010 1:49:52 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Doe Eyes; trumandogz

When an illegal waddles across the border and pops an infant, said infant should not be a US citizen.


27 posted on 07/05/2010 1:53:58 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie
When an illegal waddles across the border and pops an infant, said infant should not be a US citizen.

I don't disagree, but that's not what the Constitution says.

I don't believe they envisioned that illegals would be wadding across the border having children.

We can fix the Constitution.

28 posted on 07/05/2010 1:57:40 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

My point is that a kid popped by an illegal is not “subject to the jurisdication” of the US, despite what the social justice jerks on Scotus say. Their erroneous interpretation has been the source of untold misery for border states.


29 posted on 07/05/2010 2:06:18 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie
My point is that a kid popped by an illegal is not “subject to the jurisdication” of the US, despite what the social justice jerks on Scotus say.

I disagree. What laws are they exempt from?

30 posted on 07/05/2010 2:15:13 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: calmike
Amendment 14 shows the danger of a written Constitution. When a mistake is made in the wording, it is almost impossible to correct.

There was no wording problem. Many states denied citizenship to children born in American to slave parents who were not citizens. The Constitution was amended to prevent this abuse.

On January 16, 1919 the 18th Amendment prohibiting the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within the the United States was ratified having been approved by 36 states.

On December 5, 1933, the ratification of the Twenty-first Amendment repealed the Eighteenth Amendment.

31 posted on 07/05/2010 2:29:36 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

You have it backwards. You show me where in the legislative, constitutional debates around the 14th Amendement that supports your position.

Prove to me that Congress and the states intended to grant citizenship to the children of illegals.

Until you do, the politically correct interpretation by Scotus is just that, and as such is unanchored by the historical record or the Constitution.


32 posted on 07/05/2010 2:31:37 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Doe Eyes; calmike
On January 16, 1919 the 18th Amendment prohibiting the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within the the United States was ratified having been approved by 36 states.

On December 5, 1933, the ratification of the Twenty-first Amendment repealed the Eighteenth Amendment.

There's a popular tavern up the street which has "Since 1933" prominently displayed as part of its signage. :)

Thanks for helping us remember that the Constitution can also be amended to "back out of" mistakes such as this.

33 posted on 07/05/2010 2:35:42 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Jacquerie
“When an illegal waddles across the border and pops an infant, said infant should not be a US citizen.”

Typically, we go by what the Constitution actually says, not what you believe it should say.

34 posted on 07/05/2010 2:52:06 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

I knew you could not cite historic references to your position. They don’t exist.


35 posted on 07/05/2010 3:11:48 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie

I suggest you re-read Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982).


36 posted on 07/05/2010 4:22:37 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


37 posted on 07/05/2010 4:25:37 PM PDT by HiJinx (Why govern when you can golf?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Exactly and they will bankrupt the country given enough time.


38 posted on 07/05/2010 4:42:12 PM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: BnBlFlag
I don't think that's necessary. Lets just build a 40 foot wall with a moat,alligators, barbed wire fence,cameras and keep the illegals out to begin with.
39 posted on 07/05/2010 4:46:30 PM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: aloppoct
I’m a legal American citizen and I must show my ID when:

1. Pulled over by the police.

2. Making purchases on my department store credit card.

3. When I show up for a doctor’s appointment.

4. When filling out a credit card or loan application.

5 When applying for or renewing a driver’s license or passport.

6. When applying for any kind of insurance.

7. When filling out college applications.

8. When donating blood.

9. When obtaining certain prescription drugs.

10. When making some debit purchases, especially if I’m out of state.

11. When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel .........................

All true plus I could probably add more. We are being discriminated against.

40 posted on 07/05/2010 5:44:02 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

We don’t need to fix the constitution. Here’s a compelling discussion about the meaning of the citizenship clause in the 14th amendment:

http://federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction.html


41 posted on 07/05/2010 11:03:52 PM PDT by dajeeps
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