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Posted on 07/05/2010 3:32:43 PM PDT by Thunder90
The FBI has arrested nearly a dozen Russian spies, with more arrests to come. Echoing the spirit of today's media, the headline of the Christian Science Monitor asked the following question: "The cold war is over, so why the fascination with Russian spies?" But the Cold War is not over. The Communists merely told us it was over, and we believed them. As for our supposed fascination with Russian spies, the subject is merely an entertaining human interest story. It is a story that almost nobody understands. That is to say, we have been conditioned, over many years, to dismiss the threat of thousands of Russian agents working day and night to compromise our government, our national security, our economy, our unity, and our political process.
The United States is not invincible, but Americans act as though it is. We are so spoiled, so oblivious and comfortable, so distracted by entertainment, that the harsher realties of our time have utterly escaped us. In the days after 9/11 we briefly came to our senses. Unfortunately, President Bush told the American people to buy airline tickets and live as though 9/11 had not occurred, because he was afraid our economy would collapse if we weren't shopping and having fun.
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Here’s the author I mentioned to you when this story first broke.
I’m just a little curious, how many of them can be counted at the highest levels of our government.
Our biggest mistake was not finishing what Senator McCarthy started.
What's your game? Do you thing the plundering of Russia is in our interest?
Idiot!
If Russia disappeared, I would not be crying, Islamists to the south or not.
The communists have the White House, both houses of congress, they are writing our legislation which our congress passes unread.
They control the universities and most of our information media. To the degree that they aren’t simply hedonists, our entertainment media too.
We have been ceding control of our schools and information media for several decades now and now we are paying a real political price. You can’t let your enemy control your information and education institutions for two generations and think you aren’t going to pay the ultimate price.
so much hatred...
it can’t be good for you
Russia will not disappear in our lifetimes. If it does what will take it's place?
Like it or not the Islamists view them as our allies, and we should work to make it so..
BTW: The many peoples of the Islamic world do not view the largely secular, non-western people of Russia as "America's allies." I don't know what you are smoking over there.
When Russian abandon imperialism towards the west and south, then we can talk about bringing them into the civilized world. Until then, let them continue to die a slow death in their petro-state.
The Russians may not be overtly Communist any more.
But they are still Russians, and as such, are still darkly paranoid and much given to Byzantine intrigue, including strategic murders and acting as double agents. Secret police and citizen informants existed long before the Soviets gained power.
actually they are not “dying a slow death” at all. Russia is back to positive population growth.
So much for your wishful thinking.
“still darkly paranoid and much given to Byzantine intrigue, including strategic murders and acting as double agents”
so, basically, not at all different than any other great country/empire in the history
Other than oil and mail order whores, Russia provides no net benefit to humanity. None.
from that link:
“Russia’s population increased last year to 142 million - its first growth in a decade and a half. “
Just as I said.
I don’t think such nazi-like statements are allowed on FR.
Dang... I really don’t like, nor trust the Russian (Neo-Soviet) government headed by Putin... But your comment leaves me wondering which Soviet-occupied country you grew up in... Because that’s the only way I could understand your extreme hatred of not just the Russian government, but of its people as well...
Modern liberalism-as opposed to hardcore Leftism-is founded on this understanding. Liberals believe that American prosperity is this magical device from which you can siphon an infinite amount of money for infinite social programs.
Did Communism Fake Its Own Death in 1991?
American Thinker ^ | January 16, 2010 | Jason McNew
In a bizarre 1984 book [New Lies for Old], ex-KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn predicted the liberalization of the Soviet Bloc and claimed that it would be a strategic deception. ..."
"Golitsyn's argument was that beginning in about 1960, the Soviet Union embarked on a strategy of massive long-range strategic deception which would span several decades and result in the destruction of Western capitalism and the erection of a communist world government."
"Golitsyn published his second book, The Perestroika Deception, after the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. This book contained further analysis of the liberalization, in addition to previously classified memoranda submitted by Golitsyn to the CIA. The two books must be read together to get a complete picture of Golitsyn's thesis."
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/did_communism_fake_its_own_dea.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed092605a.cfm
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From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html
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“We are creating a new world, a balanced world. A new world order, a multipolar world,” Chavez told reporters during a visit to Communist China, one of many. His “new world order” includes [RUSSIA], China, Iran,... and a significantly weakened United States, he explained.
Resurgent Communism in Latin America
by Alex Newman, March 16, 2010:
I'm just a person who can't live with lies and propaganda history.
Like it or not, without Russia, with terrific sacrifice turning back the Nazis at Moscow and Stalingrad, humanity would today be hanging by a thread.
FDR for the longest time didn't think England had a chance, nor did our congress. When Russia turned the tide of the war in 1943, we joined in with a vengeance 1944. Before that we were fully engaged taking on the Japanese.
Russia did not plunder it's own country while driving the Nazis out. They occupied eastern Europe but did not 'plunder' it.
The USSR was a crucial ally in WW11and Russia may be a crucial ally in the years to come. Only if we make it happen. So far, on the subject Obama is on the right track.
I only wish Sarah Palin, probably due to DC advisors, would quit bad mouthing the Russians. There are much bigger fish to fry.
Here's a book you should read...
"'The Black Book of Communism,'; a scholarly accounting of communism’s crimes, counts about 94 million murdered by the supposed champions of the common man (20 million for the Soviets alone), and some say that number is too low."
Forgetting the Evils of Communism: The amnesia bites a little deeper
By Jonah Goldberg, August 2008:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmY0MjI1MDgyYjg1M2UwNDMzMTk2Mjk5YTk0ZTdlMWE=
"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html
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I wonder if any of you idiots who defend the Russians ever read the things I post?
Venezuela Set to Develop Nuclear Power With Russia
September 29, 2008
CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez said Sunday that Russia will help Venezuela develop nuclear energy — a move likely to raise U.S. concerns over increasingly close cooperation between Caracas and Moscow.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429441,00.html
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Venezuela's Chavez welcomes Russian warships
Nov 25, 2008
LA GUAIRA, Venezuela – Russian warships arrived off Venezuela's coast Tuesday in a show of strength aimed at the United States as Moscow seeks to expand its influence in Latin America. The deployment is the first of its kind in the Caribbean since the Cold War and was timed to coincide with President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to Caracas — the first ever by a Russian president.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Venezuela%27s+Chavez+welcomes+Russian+warships%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2
More Yahoo search results for Russia and Venezuela connections:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu_X30pZJCJEAfCtXNyoA?p=Russia+Venezuela+bombers+tanks+arms&y=Search&fr=404_news
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From National Public Radio (NPR):
August 29, 2006
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764
The media has been abuzz today at the prospect of Russian nuclear bombers being stationed in Cuba if the US goes ahead with plans for missile defense bases in Eastern Europe.
The story has riled the US enough that a US general has been wheeled out to tell the world’s press that any Russian attempt to build another nuclear base in Cuba would cross US “red line”.
The story broke earlier this week, when Russian newspaper Izvestia quoted an un-named source from within the Russian military. He told the Russian daily:
“While they are deploying the missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic, our strategic bombers will already be landing in Cuba.”
The quote hasn’t been independently confirmed, but the Russian Defense Ministry added fuel to the fire when they refused to comment on the story.
The prospect of Russian nuclear forces being stationed in Cuba - which is, after all, only 90 miles from the US coast - would bring back some rather unpleasant memories for the US of the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, where the Soviet Union under Nikita Kruschev launched an audacious and foolhardy bid to station nuclear missiles on the Caribbean island.
http://www.siberianlight.net/2008/07/23/russian-nuclear-bombers-cuba/
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Russia to help Cuba modernize weaponry, train military
September 18, 2009
HAVANA, September 18 (RIA Novosti) - Modernization of the Soviet-made military equipment and training of Cuban military personnel will be the focus of Russian-Cuban military cooperation in the near future, the chief of the Russian General Staff said on Friday. Gen. Nikolai Makarov arrived on a working visit to Cuba on Monday, met with Cuban President Raul Castro and the country's military leadership, and visited a number of military installations.
"During the Soviet era we delivered a large number of military equipment to Cuba, and after all these years most of this weaponry has become obsolete and needs repairs," Makarov said.
"We inspected the condition of this equipment, and outlined the measures to be taken to maintain the defense capability of this country...I think a lot of work needs to be done in this respect, and I hope we will be able to accomplish this task," the general said.
Makarov said the Cuban request for assistance with training of military personnel will also be fully satisfied.
Although the Cuban leadership has repeatedly said it has no intention of resuming military cooperation with Russia after the surprise closure of the Russian electronic listening post in Lourdes in 2001, bilateral military ties seem to have been improving following the visit of Russian Security Council chief Nikolai Patrushev and Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin to Cuba in July last year.
A group of Russian warships, led by the Admiral Chabanenko destroyer visited Cuba in December last year during a Caribbean tour.
The two sides [Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Russia] agreed to "promote and enhance friendly relations" in line with the joint declaration of July 19, 2000 and the Russia-DPRK friendship and good neighborly cooperation treaty of February 9, 2000.
Putin and Kim agreed during their talks to promote a Russian- DPRK political dialogue on the Korean issue and international affairs, and discussed many topical international problems, deputy head of the Russian presidential administration Sergei Prikhodko told reporters following the talks.
The two leaders spoke for an independent and peaceful solution to the issue of reunification of the Korean Peninsula, and against "any outside obstacles to this process" as "unacceptable."
IMHO,it seems to me that the FSB seems to picked the bottom of choosing spies.
Being Jewish, author Goldberg has an ax to grind. It may be a good book covering 1917 through 1990, but it doesn't apply to today. He's also the one who was instrumental in firing Ann Coulter.
Your razz is "democratic". Putin has rigged the system such that he will probably remain in power until he croaks. He has cracked down hard on political opponents, ordering assassinations of numerous reporters, former KGB/FSB agents now spilling the beans, the former president of the Ukraine (a failed assassination), and quite possibly the near entire leadership of Poland. KGB Putin is one evil SOB.
Russia, IMEO is ripe for more accommodation, not aggravating them on their borders..
The death of former Russian spy, Alexander Litvinenko, last week from radioactive Polonium-210 poisoning is the latest in a series of politically motivated attacks on the outspoken opponents of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed112706a.cfm
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Blowing up Russia: The Secret Plot to Bring Back KGB Terror
by Alexander Litvinenko, Yuri Felshtinsky, Geoffrey Andrews and Co (Translator)
Synopsis: Blowing Up Russia contains the allegations of ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko against his former spymasters in Moscow which led to his being murdered in London in November 2006. In the book he and historian Yuri Felshtinsky detail how since 1999 the Russian secret service has been hatching a plot to return to the terror that was the hallmark of the KGB. Vividly written and based on Litvinenko's 20 years of insider knowledge of Russian spy campaigns, Blowing Up Russia describes how the successor of the KGB fabricated terrorist attacks and launched a war. Writing about Litvinenko, the surviving co-author recounts how the banning of the book in Russia led to three earlier deaths.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Blowing-up-Russia/Alexander-Litvinenko/e/9781594032011
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"Appearing alongside high-profile opponents of President Putin, he has continued to make allegations about his former bosses. Perhaps most notably, he alleged that al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri was trained by the FSB in Dagestan in the years before 9/11".
http://www.cicentre.com/Documents/litvinenko.html
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Russia and Islam are not Separate:
Why Russia backs Al-Qaeda
By Konstantin Preobrazhensky
Americans generally believe that Russia is afraid of Islamic terrorism as much as the U.S.A. They are reminded of the war in Chechnya, the hostage crisis at the Beslan School in 2004 and at the Moscow Theater in 2002, and of the apartment house blasts in Moscow in 1999, where over 200 people were killed. It is clear that Russians are also targets of terrorism today.
But in all these events, the participation of the FSB, Federal Security Service, inheritor to the KGB, is also clear. Their involvement in the Moscow blasts has been proven by lawyer Mikhail Trepashkin, a former FSB Colonel. For this he was illegally imprisoned, and is now suffering torture and deprivation of medical assistance, from which he is not likely to survive.
A key distinction between Russian and American attitudes towards Islamic terrorism is that while for America terrorism is largely seen as an exterior menace, Russia uses terrorism as an object as a tool of the state for manipulation in and outside the home country. Islamic terrorism is only part of the world of terrorism. Long before Islamic terrorism became a global threat, the KGB had used terrorism to facilitate the victory of world Communism.
This leads to the logical connection between Russian and Islamic terrorism. The late Alexander Litvinenko, poisoned in London in November, 2006, told me that his former FSB colleagues had trained famous Al-Qaeda terrorists Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Juma Namangoniy during the 1980s and 1990s. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, one of the world's most wanted terrorists, has been responsible for the murder of U.S. nationals outside the United States. Before his death, Juma Namangoniy (Jumabai Hojiyev), a native of Soviet Uzbekistan, was a right-hand man of Osama bin Laden in charge of the Taliban's northern front in Afghanistan.
In 1996, Alexander Litvinenko was responsible for securing the secrecy of Al-Zawahiri's arrival in Russia, who was trained by FSB instructors in Dagestan, Northern Caucasus, in 1996-1997.
At that time, Litvinenko was the Head of the Subdivision for Internationally Wanted Terrorists of the First Department of the Operative-Inquiry Directorate of the FSB Anti-Terrorist Department. He was ordered to undertake the delicate mission of securing Al-Zawahiri from unintentional disclosure by the Russian police. Though Al-Zawahiri had been brought to Russia by the FSB using a false passport, it was still possible for the police to learn about his arrival and report to Moscow for verification. Such a process could disclose Al-Zawahiri as an FSB collaborator.
In order to prevent this, Litvinenko visited a group of the highly placed police officers to notify them in advance. "If you get information about some suspicious Arabs arriving in the Caucasus, please report it to me before informing your leadership", he told them.
Juma Namangoniy was once a student of the Saboteur Training Center of the First Chief Directorate of the KGB in 1989-91. The school was notorious for the international terrorists who matriculated from it. It now belongs to the FSB, and since only KGB staff officers were allowed to study there, Juma Namangoniy's presence clearly suggests that he was much more than a civil collaborator.
Mohammed Atta, the pilot of the first plane to crash into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague, Czech Republic, five months before the attack. But Iraqi intelligence was just a client of Russia's intelligence service. It brings a new understanding to the fact that President Putin was the first foreign President to call President Bush on 9/11. One may conjecture that he knew in advance what was to happen.
Muslim Name and Communist Heart
Tartars have always been patriotic to Russia. Their independent kingdom was conquered by Russia in the 16th century, but their gentry were allowed to join the Russian upper class and enjoy all its privileges. Even today, many Russian families of noble origin have Tartar origins. Russia has a half-millennium of experience in turning conquered Muslim nations into obedient citizens by bribing their elite.
There are many Soviet Muslims, therefore, who seem to face no conflict of spirit. One can be a Muslim in name only, whose heart belongs to Communism. There have been a lot of such people among Russian Muslims, especially among the Tartars. The Soviet Union has typically preferred to appoint them as ambassadors to Muslim countries. Their Muslim names give them a pass to the local society, but their Communist hearts order them to serve world Communism and not the world of Islam.
In the Soviet period, the highest leadership of the Muslim republics like Uzbekistan were unofficially allowed to practice Islam under the guise of folk rites, even though their Russian colleagues were severely reprimanded for participating in such Christian "rites" as Christmas or Easter. Unlike today, Soviet cartoonists were able to mock Islam as they mocked all other religions and it didn't bring any special reaction.
Muslims of the Uzbek and other Central Asian republics' elite joined the KGB intelligence in order to spy on fellow Muslim countries. In the KGB, I have met a lot of such quasi-Muslim officers.
Russia Grows Muslim
Putin continues the traditional Russian policy of giving privileges to the Muslim elite. Today's Russian Minister of Healthcare, Mikhail Zurabov, is a Chechen. His political agenda includes the total destruction of the Russian healthcare system, looking like revenge for the war in Chechnya. Putin shows no concern over that.
Strategically Russia is surrendering to the Muslim world. The Russian population is declining rapidly, being undermined by 70 years of Communist experiment and the cold indifference of post-communist rulers. Annually, Russia is losing 900 thousand people who are being replaced by Muslims from the Caucasus and Central Asia. Islam is now the second-largest religion in Russia, where it may total up to 28 million adherents. Because of this, Russia was able to join the Organization of the Islamic Conference in 2003.
Russia's great qualitative population change represents both a departure from the past and a strengthening link with it. The synergies between the history of Russia's national policies of terrorism and the radical Islamic terrorism that it is spreading around the world are natural partners that may severely impact on America's own future.
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Konstantin Preobrazhensky, a former Lt. Colonel in the KGB who defected to the United States in 1993, is an intelligence expert and specialist on Japan, about which he has written six books. His newest book Russian-American, A New KGB Asset will be published in late 2007. This article was first published by Gerard Group International, Intel Analyses, 31 August 2007.
http://cicentre.com/Documents/russia_islam_not_separate.html
Mr Yushchenko before and after the poisoning
"Mr [Viktor] Yushchenko, a pro-European politician who wanted to bring his country out of Russia's shadow, fell seriously ill on September 6, 2004 as he was competing in presidential elections against a pro-Moscow candidate, Viktor Yanukovich, now prime minister.
After months of tests in an Austrian clinic, it was determined that he had ingested a massive amount of the poison dioxin.
Although he survived, his face was left bloated and pockmarked, and he has had to undergo regular treatment to rid his body of the toxin.
In an interview with Le Figaro he said he believed the dioxin used to disfigure him was made in a Russian lab.
Mr Yushchenko did not directly accuse the Russian government of being behind his poisoning, but he did say he had 'practically put all the pieces together' and the attempt against him 'was not a private action'. ..."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1562838/Yushchenko-Russia-blocking-poisoning-probe.html
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"Viktor Andriyovych Yushchenko (born February 23, 1954) [was] the third and [former] President of Ukraine". He took office on January 23, 2005.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko
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(Ukraine) Hunt starts for Yushchenko's poisoner:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/1478922/Hunt-starts-for-Yushchenko%27s-poisoner.html
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pro-Moscow Viktor Yanukovich, new president of the Ukraine
The murder of internationally renowned Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya in early October 2006 was yet another troubling sign of Russia’s retreat into its totalitarian past. Today Frontpage Symposium has gathered a distinguished panel of experts to discuss why Anna Politkovskaya was killed and what the tragic loss of her life symbolizes about the direction in which Vladimir Putin’s Russia is heading.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=BDBFAEF5-5295-400F-807B-83D20FFA285C
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'PUTIN'S RUSSIA' by Anna Politkovskaya:
http://www.annapolitkovskaya.com/
Your other allegations are serious and troubling as were all our own CIA activities that were attacked by our congress in recent years pertaining to South and Central America and other countries.
With the Democrats running the country, Rush has alluded to there may not be another election as we know it. And you're worried about Putin?
Wow, snappy comeback. Links to anything supporting your opinions/assertions/contrivances?
I didn’t think so.
Would you care to be specific?
It’s true that modern Russia internally bears little resemblance to the USSR, but the Russian Bear has always been there, through Czars and Commissars alike.
Russia is in the midst of reforming the Soviet Union. And with so many Useful Idiots about (on both the left AND right), I don't see anything to stand in their way.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2547352/posts?page=20#20
Not as much the Soviet Union, as the new Russian Empire.
Same sh*t, whatever you call it. They want to take back their former satellites.
Explain this one...
Nice concluding paragraph from the article posted at the top. It describes well what Obama, Putin and the 1960-80s pro-Soviet left are doing. Obama himself was smack dab in the middle of the “disarmament” movement during his college years in New York. More on that on my FR Home page:
“Our present moves toward disarmament coincide with Russia and China’s continued rearmament. The discovery of Russian spies in our midst should be a wakeup call. But we are not taking it to heart. The work of the FBI, in this regard, has been neutralized by the work of Russian spies and the Communist fifth column that freely operates in the West.”
Who’s Afraid of the Boogeyman?
http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/Nyquist/whos-afraid-of-the-boogeyman
Now, you explain your sources for some of the (rather ludicrous) 'super' weapons and what not you always claim Russia and China have. Or was that also from some set of 'prophecies?'
Oh, "some guys" just decided all on their own to commit espionage against the US without the KGB Putin government's knowledge, eh?
Grow a brain. To digest it a tad for you: ‘Russian spies operating for the FSB, or similar organizations stemming from the then-named KGB, were engaged in covert espionage activities, and got caught like deer in blazing headlights after what was probably a cogent counter-espionage affair.’
I don’t know why JimRob allows KGB Putin propagandist scum like you and the others on FR. Dopey liberal trolls get banned in a heartbeat while far more dangerous types stay on for years. Very strange.
You say I am a KGB Putin propagandist scum ....why? Because yesterday I said that Thunder90s posts are silly! Well, so do others ...he does 'drive-by' posting where he claims (usually) China and Russia have some specially dangerous weapons, and does not provide proof or sources. If that makes me Putin's spy then his spooks program is really advanced because I never got the memo.
You called me scum. Well, I can call you an idiot, because you are either prescient (and can see a future in which I am a Putin agent), or you are an idiot (because you are talking out your behind). That is not an insult ...that is fact.
However, you calling me 'scum' does prove one thing ...you have nothing better to say but to grovel in name-calling drivel. Just because someone doesn't agree with Thunder90 (or for that matter, your bandwidth wasting, picture laden, posts ...which for the record, ironically, I generally agree with) doesn't mean they are the enemy. They simply mean they don't agree with you.
Again, on the scum. Would that make you smegma?
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