Posted on 08/01/2010 8:57:49 PM PDT by geraldmcg
We don’t even know if he HAS a US passport.
If he has a US passport but not a valid US birth certificate I would think the only way he could have gotten a US passport is if he naturalized somewhere along the line. But the laws regarding passports are not my expertise at all so take that with a big grain of salt.
We trusted crooks.
Never again.
Alfred Itamura at the Ombudsman’s Office is supposedly checking into whether they have illegally destroyed it or lied when they said it doesn’t exist.
Don’t hold your breath.
But I did get an OIP Attorney to say that the part of UIPA that allows them to ignore Hawaii’s disclosure laws if federal funding would be jeopardized does NOT justify lying about whether the records exist. So if they did lie about the original paper index not existing, they have no legal excuse for it.
I don’t think hospitals ever sold them. They undoubtedly figured the cost into your final bill and you never knew that you were actually paying for them. However, as soon as they figured out that new parents would gladly pay for the hospital pictures of the newborn, they switched their emphasis.
Speaking of pictures — I ahve 11 grandchildren and a collection of those newborn pictures that all look the same! LOL. Except for the latest grandbaby who looks like she is already a month old and ready for kindergarten. They’ve really improved on those hospital mug shots.
I hope you are keeping them in a safe place and also keeping copies.
Given that two people lost their jobs for unauthorized access to his US passport records, it’s fair to assume the he DOES have a US passport.
To get a passport, the applicant must either present a US Birth Certificate or a US Naturalization Certificate. Nobody can apply for Naturalization until they are 18.
Now, I’m no legal expert but it looks to me like that means that he couldn’t have started the process until August 1979 and must have completed the process by July 1981 when he travelled to Indonesia.
However, he couldn’t have applied to Occidental and gained a scholarship to attend that college if he hadn’t already naturalized. So we’re out of time. He couldn’t have naturalized.
If he didn’t present a naturalization certificate for his passport, he must have presented a US birth ceritificate.
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Not sure if “Saebarkah” is a typo
s/b “Soebarkah” ?
Can a person have a passport from more than one country?
Also, we don’t know what’s in the records for Occidental. He could have applied as a foreign student, in which case it would have been problematic for him to have a US passport.
And wouldn’t there be passport records for any travel he did to America even if he traveled on a passport from another country? Would “US passport records” necessarily mean that the passport was US? Has anybody actually stated as fact that he has a US passport?
They’re safe.
“Can a person have a passport from more than one country?”
I believe so but to get the US one you’d still need to show either a US Birth certificate or a US Natrualization Certificate,
“Also, we don’t know what’s in the records for Occidental. He could have applied as a foreign student, in which case it would have been problematic for him to have a US passport.”
The only scholarship available to Indonesians at Occidental is the Fulbright. That doesn’t fund undergrad Indonesians only PPHD’s and Masters. Obama was undergrad.
“And wouldn’t there be passport records for any travel he did to America even if he traveled on a passport from another country? Would “US passport records” necessarily mean that the passport was US? Has anybody actually stated as fact that he has a US passport?”
The records that were accessed were at the State Department. They hold US citizen passport details. Foreigners entering with their own passports are dealt with Immigration Bureau. So, yes, it must have been a US passport.
Would the State Department handle passports for US Senators?
I think Seize the Carp has posted something about naturalization papers for Obama.
I should have asked if there would be travel records for all travel in AND OUT of America under another passport.
Has Occidental said anything about Obama having a scholarship?
“Would the State Department handle passports for US Senators?”
Yes, State handles all US passports including the maroon colored ‘offical’ passport given the Congress and other officials travelling on US business.
“I should have asked if there would be travel records for all travel in AND OUT of America under another passport.”
Immigration checks everyone’s passports in and out so I imagine they hold those records.
“Has Occidental said anything about Obama having a scholarship?”
Not that I’m aware of.
You said, “If one has it, one cannot be “adopted out” of US citizenship.”
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Can one be “adopted into” natural born citizenship?
Also, one can make an affirmative act after the age of majority that removes one’s eligibility to be POTUS.
You said, “Okubo tried saying that if somebody had the BC# they could hack the HDOH computers.
These people lie as easily as they breathe.”
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Liars gonna lie. :)
Nope, not holding my breath. That index will never see the light of day. He had to make it disappear because it’s part of the messy, messy paper trail. Funny how every Courthouse in the nation has all their birth record books and indexes prior to statehood... except Hawaii.
I still think a good chunk of those billions of stimulus dollars have gone to cleaning his records and keeping mouths shut here and around the world. I also suspect that when it’s all said and done that NBC-cide will far exceed the bodies associated with Arkancide.
“A good liar should have a good memory”
by Paladin from the 1960’s TV show...
Fair enough.
I’m not sure I agree, but that’s a good point.
I can’t see how the naturalization process could have ocurred. He must have used a US birth certificate to gain his passport.
Senators get passports under different requirements than do the “small people.”
We don’t know what passport he traveled on to Indonesia as a child; to Pakistan as an adult in the early 80s; to Kenya in the 80s, after his father’s death; or on his “honeymoon trip” with his new wife in the 90s. All these overseas trips completed before he became a senator.
We do know that there was something within the State Dept. passport files in March 2008 (right after the COLB was photographed in Chicago by FactCheck representatives) that John O. Brennan’s employee sanitized, according to a source with knowledge of the subsequent State Dept. investigation into the breach, who spoke to a reporter anonymously. The reporter wrote that the file was sanitized of “embarrassing” information.
Replaced with . . .
???
That’s why I’d make a terrible liar. lol
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