MassResistance warns of push to purge Tea Parties of "social" issues.

massresistance.org ^ | 08/02/2010 | n/a

[massmike]

This past Tuesday evening Brian Camenker of MassResistance addressed the Plymouth Rock Tea Party in Pembroke. Also making speeches were several well-known politicians and candidates.

Two days earlier, on Sunday, a Tea Party on the Lexington Battle Green was shut down by "fiscal-only" Republicans who were upset that "social issues" would be discussed if Brian Camenker of MassResistance were present.

Almost immediately after that, a member of the Plymouth Rock Tea Party (which has recently merged with the Cape and Islands group) contacted Camenker and said, "We heard what happened. Come on down and speak at our event on Tuesday."

It was a great evening and the Plymouth Rock Tea Party people are among the best! Apparently, the RINO Republicans weren't able to persuade the Plymouth Rock Tea Party or the candidates to stay away!

[marsh2]

Many libertarians and independents are participating in the Tea Parties because they are about small government, decentralized government, individual liberty and responsibility and fiscal accountability and restraint. If you start throwing in the social issues, you lose them. Mandated and legislated behavior and morality can be in opposition to individual liberty on many fronts.

[mware]

Agreed Obamacare is about both fiscal and social issues.

Personally the social is more important to me, but I see and agree with the fiscal concerns regarding Obamacare.

[Bruinator]

A CC would be disasterous.on many levels. If that were to happen the Constitution would be shredded and there would not be an opportunity to fix the problems we have now through constitutional means.

[donna]

They are already working here on FR.

[TheBigIf]

Except that most libertarians are not really libertarians at all. They just think that they are. You cannot claim to be for limited government and individual liberty and support the left-wing agenda of dictating from the Courts that the People have no say on what type of behavior they accept in their businesses. Or support a double standard in society whereas we force our troops to have to bunk with people who openly express a perverse desire for the same gender. These are not real libertarians but are phony. Any true libertarian would fully support the ‘right to association’ for all.

[massmike]

In 2011 state budget: Legislature votes to fund Mass. GLBT Youth Commission with $100,000 from federal Medicaid money.
GLBT Youth Commission also gets access to millions in state tax money!

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/budget/final_0625.html

[Altura Ct.]

If the Tea Party is only about fiscal issues it is no different then the GOP and is exactly what the Marxist want.It is also a waste of time and resources not to mention puts our nation in great peril. The social issues are what is destroying the fabric of our nation, communities and families. Our very survival is at stake here. That is why all this ‘racist’ brouhaha has been front and center. TPTB know full well if social issues get legs and the king can be shown to have no clothes on Marxism, globalism and multiculturalism will be derailed.

Groups like Freedom Works and various others have been trying since early on to co-pt the Tea Parity for this very reason. Defang and neuter.

[Le Chien Rouge]

Social issues in this country will NEVER be able to be discussed on equal footing until the federal government is severely trimmed down.

Getting rid of PBS and other government grants to the likes of Planned Parenthood, MUST be accomplished first.

Once the federal government is neutral, monetarily, in the ‘cultural wars’, only then can real debate begin.

That’s why I support the tea party movement and it’s quest for restoring fiscal sanity.

[Diogenesis]

We need a Constitutional Convention to hold our
“representatives” accountable -—
and governable the same laws.

Today, they shred the Constitution daily
(eg. Romney in Massachusetts with his impositions
and pres_ _ent Obama daily by Executive fiat).

[MrB]

There can be no freedom without personal, individual, INTERNAL restraint. It’s simply an axiom, as individual internal controls are eschewed, external, governmental controls increase.

This is not a comment stating that the government should impose such restraints, quite the opposite. The individual must act in a moral way, or our liberty based Constitution will not be able to prevail.

[surfer]

The GOP is slowing showing its true colors...they are tyrants just like the Dems are...

[Pessimist]

“The ones I’ve met pay lip service to social issues but all they really care about is their money.”

And vice-versa, too.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

I've come to the conclusion that many of the tax reformers don't much care about anything else.

I'd like to see tax reform too but if we must risk gutting the constitution to do it I want no part of it.

The tax reformers have had their fingers burned more than a few times on the con con issue, they would now rather not talk about it. I won't support anyone who will even consider pushing for a con con.

[balch3]

I don’t know how widespread it is, but I’ve heard quite a few fiscal types blame social conservatives for the loss of the middle/moderate vote. They want socials to keep quiet about their issues.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Do you think you can lay the Constitution on the table and start cutting and changing and even hope you will have anything identifiable left? You can't control a con con, the liberals would love a chance to shred the very concept of inalienable rights.

Why do you want to give them that chance?

[douginthearmy]

How does limited government have anything to do with social conservatism? Wasn’t Bush a social conservative? There are plenty of social conservatives who are statists. Principles of limited government obviously align more closely with social conservatives than progressives, but that doesnt mean there isnt room in a limited government group for people who are not hardcore social conservatives.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

If we cannot force government to respect the Constitution nothing will matter.

[Mariner]

"If they Gerrymander the social conservatives they’ll never have enough votes to defeat the communists.. IOW they’re cutting off their nose to spite their face.

I think it's a good idea for the T Party to stay focused EXCLUSIVELY on fiscal issues.

There are dozens of groups that focus on social issues and they do it well.

I see no reason why there can't be just one, one nationwide organization that focuses on fiscal issues only. I also don't understand, other than fear of marginalization, why most SoCons would not support the T Party being a FISCALLY centered advocacy group.

Why do some see that as a threat?

[gidget7]

This is about MA, where in politics there is little to no such thing as a social conservatism. The Republicans nominated a fake marriage supporter who marched in the gay pride parade in Boston with his brother, and selected a gay supposed R for lieutenant gov. who also marched in the parade. The R's here have no interest in stopping the agenda they are knee deep in. And it is disgusting.

[TheBigIf]

Because we do not want a group pretending to be for limited government and individual liberty when it would then go on to possible endorse candidates that would support the leftist agenda of denying the people the right to representation on issues such as when life begins, or the definition of marriage, or using the Courts to force people to follow a perverse morality without any say at all, etc…..