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The Love Of Money Leads To Socialism
http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=2754 ^ | William M. Briggs

Posted on 08/13/2010 4:48:49 AM PDT by mattstat

Most, with good reason, misremember the quotation. In entirety:

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. —1 Timothy 6:10

And since we have that much, it does no harm to recall the words immediately before: “But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.”

Paul was speaking of the actions of individual men, but he could just have easily meant conglomerations—now corporations, entities which are at once alive, incorporate, and yet not alive. Which, it will be noticed, are the same words we use to describe zombies, the undead. Money itself, and the act of accumulating it, is harmless, neutral; but the love of it, and the concomitant lust for ever greater piles, is the start of pain.

It is here that my sympathies with the Left are strongest. Like them, I dislike the word “capitalism”: a society based on businesses amassing “capital” to create “products” which “consumers” consume. We are content to let these ugly, distasteful words define the foundation of our society?

It’s still worse. ...

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TOPICS: Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: money; socialism

1 posted on 08/13/2010 4:48:51 AM PDT by mattstat
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To: mattstat

I would have to agree, the love of money is the root of all evil and socialism is evil.

Socialism looks good on paper, but then you add people and it doesn’t work. Why? Jeremiah 17:9.


2 posted on 08/13/2010 4:59:51 AM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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To: mattstat

I agree with most of his article but I don’t see “capitalism”, “product” or “consumer” as ugly words. They describe what is true. How can truth be ugly?


3 posted on 08/13/2010 5:05:38 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: mattstat
IIRC the word capitalism was first used with great regularity by Engels as an insulting term for free market economics.

I can't find a source for that, hence the IIRC.

On another point, it is my personal belief the socialism is the product of the basic human fear of life. For example, people who favor socialism/collectivism are like animals who fear the excitement and risk taking of life so much that they would rather live in a zoo.

Socialist leaders are those who would take advantage of that innate fear to become wealthy zoo keepers.

4 posted on 08/13/2010 5:07:34 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: sauropod

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5 posted on 08/13/2010 5:09:00 AM PDT by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: mattstat

I agree with most of his article but I don’t see “capitalism”, “product” or “consumer” as ugly words. They describe what is true. How can truth be ugly?

(Since I can’t edit I’ll have to add it to a new post)

Like it or not liberals, the bible is the foundation of our society. We are Judeo-Christian from the first words spoken at Plymouth rock to the Constitution itself. The bible describes a free capitalistic society. When we lose the biblical basis and guidelines for our behavior then we fall into consumerism (”more more more I want more!!”) and corporatism (”I don’t care what happens to anyone else, I want my stock to go up”).


6 posted on 08/13/2010 5:10:05 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: mattstat
Not the love of money, but the love of other people's money.
7 posted on 08/13/2010 5:12:34 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Stop the change - I want to get off!)
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To: mattstat
Years ago my nephew, having taken a college philosophy course, told me that his professor espoused a theory similar to this. His postulation was, that when a society like ours became as opulent as ours, that we would naturally tend toward socialism. A society that becomes rich and therefore want to "reach out" and help the poor will always create ways to redistribute to the poor on the basis of "help".

It's as if the professor was claiming we should do this it was just part of the natural progression. More money means more free help and the cycle repeats till, before you can realize it, we have become a socialist state. Of course, there are many who WANT this to happen but in the end it happens as a matter of course. Just look at the "Great Society".

Even in capitalism there is a dichotomy. We strove to get things to the point where we could have more leisure time and now that people are enjoying the leisure time the same capitalists decry that as sloth.

I always believed that the true coporatists were of the mind that "I want my leisure time but I want YOU to work hard for my leisure time". Now that more people have become wealthy and can have their time off those corporatists are bemoaning the fact that those people are not producing enough.

Capitalism, like socialism, never takes into account human nature. Capitalism can be overcome with greed and avarice while socialism kills the human spirit. A truly capitalist society would kill just as many people as socialism human nature being what it is.

Capitalism mixed with charity (socialism?) is the only way we can have a truly civil society. We cannot have the dog eat dog of true capitalism or the master feeding dog of true socialism - either would kill the human spirit.

8 posted on 08/13/2010 5:20:22 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: raybbr

You can have charity without mandating it from the government.


9 posted on 08/13/2010 5:26:11 AM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - on amazon.com)
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To: mattstat

Capitalism is an example of an insidious change in word usage. America was founded on the principle of Free Enterprise. Free Enterprise is a system where good people produce and deliver a product or service that other people either need or want in a society that encourages the freedom to create and market without undue restrictions. That type of system rewards the producer both by God and man and generates inovation. Anyone who abuses that type of system is also punished by God and man in that the product or service will be rejected by consumers and will be free to fail. When Government interferes the free enterprise system is corrupted.


10 posted on 08/13/2010 5:30:58 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

socialist zookeepers,

good one!


11 posted on 08/13/2010 5:31:33 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: raybbr
Socialism is an ideology, but capitalism isn't...it just another word for free market economy.

Replace the word capitalism in your comment with free markets and it no longer makes sense.

Of course your local hardware store or grocery store or dry cleaners is not concerned with societal charity. Customers don't go there for charity. They expect hammers and bread and clean clothes.

Any college professor who tries to compare socialism to capitalism as an ideology is either a socialist or simply misguided.

12 posted on 08/13/2010 5:41:51 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: raybbr
The problem with comparing capitalism with socialism is that one is not comparing apples to apples.

Socialism is a system of controlling all or most human activity. Economic activity (the exchange of goods and services) is only a part of that system.

Capitalism (or free market economics) IS NOT a system of controlling human activity. It is simply a means by which goods and services change hands.

The appropriate comparison in discussing socialism would be to compare a CONTROLLED HUMAN ENVIRONMENT (socialism) to a FREE HUMAN ENVIRONMENT. Capitalism/free market economics is but a small part of the Free Human Environment.

13 posted on 08/13/2010 5:56:18 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: Jack of all Trades

That is the truth. Parasites vote for and elect politicians who would sell their own mothers for votes. There is no honor among thieves


14 posted on 08/13/2010 6:19:07 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: tbw2
“You can have charity without mandating it from the government.”

I would point out that if the government mandates it, then it is simply taxes, as in "rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s," which has nothing to do with charity or the blessings therefrom.

15 posted on 08/13/2010 6:19:15 AM PDT by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: mattstat

Criminals are the root of all evil. Identify the liar, the anti-individual criminal.


16 posted on 08/13/2010 6:31:02 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Any college professor who tries to compare socialism to capitalism as an ideology is either a socialist or simply misguided.

In your two posts to mine you have completely missed the point in your zeal to defend capitalism. The professor did not compare the two and I didn't say he did.

His premise is that a successful capitalist society, combined with the natural human desire to help, will eventually lead to socialism.

When I talked about how either capitalism or socialism both ignore human nature it was NOT a comparison. It's simply a statement of the truth. In a purely capitalistic society greed, avarice and the constant grab for power will ignore humanity just as a purely socialist society will humanity by stifling innovation, artistic expression and the human desire to do better.

17 posted on 08/13/2010 6:31:11 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

BUMP for nailing it!

“CONTROLLED HUMAN ENVIRONMENT (socialism) to a FREE HUMAN ENVIRONMENT. Capitalism/free market economics is but a small part of the Free Human Environment.”


18 posted on 08/13/2010 6:34:34 AM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: raybbr
In a purely capitalistic society greed, avarice and the constant grab for power will ignore humanity.

A system which has a free market economy is not necessarily driven by avarice, greed, and the grab for power.

It simply means that people are free to trade their services without undue government regulation.

It isn't a system of commerce that makes people greedy and it isn't government regulation that removes it.

You are somehow suggesting that human greed can eliminated by socialism...and that's just not true.

And what is a capitalistic society anyway? Are you against freedom?

I think you are confused as to what capitalism is.

19 posted on 08/13/2010 6:47:51 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: raybbr; All
Check out this very brief video (Friedman explains much better than I can why capitalism works)...

Milton Friedman explains why capitalism works (video)

20 posted on 08/13/2010 6:59:43 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
You are somehow suggesting that human greed can eliminated by socialism...and that's just not true.

Again, you are seeing what you want to see. I am NOT saying that. I am saying that both capitalism and socialism must ignore some aspects of human nature in order to thrive. A society based purely on capitalism is just as harmful as one base purely on socialism.

A system which has a free market economy is not necessarily driven by avarice, greed, and the grab for power.

Again, I said in "a purely capitalistic" society not a free market society. YOU keep twisting what I say in your mind to try to defend something I am NOT attacking.

21 posted on 08/13/2010 7:19:45 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: raybbr
Define purely capitalistic society?

Capitalism is another word for free market economy (actually a derogatory term used by Marx and Engels to insult the free market system).

If you are using it another way, just let me know so we are on the same page.

22 posted on 08/13/2010 7:38:10 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: raybbr

BTW, sorry if I am somehow twisting what you are saying. I don’t mean to be doing that.


23 posted on 08/13/2010 7:39:36 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: mattstat

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong....


24 posted on 08/13/2010 7:42:13 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: John O

John O,

Many things that are true are ugly.


25 posted on 08/14/2010 6:28:40 AM PDT by mattstat
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