Posted on 09/27/2010 1:27:31 PM PDT by RandysRight
How?
I'm asking because Jefferson did indeed face secessionist threats during his presidency. The North threatened secession over the Louisiana Purchase and again over his ill-conceived embargo. He made some concession and held the country together with statesmanship. Lincoln wasn't a statesman. He was an ambitions railroad lawyer with an economic agenda he intended to implement ho matter what.
Not necessarily, I am a southerner (Texan actually) and I think both sides were wrong. Slavery was wrong and horrible, so was the Civil War and reconstruction was monsterous. Lincoln was president and he should have been able to settle the dispute before it came to war and he certainly was responsiable for reconstruction.
Reconstruction didn't start until well after Lincoln's assassination.
‘dragging black Repubs out of their homes and shooting them in front of their families’
You forget, they also dragged WHITE Repubs out of their homes and shot them in front of their families.
My mistake, thanks for reminding me.
...in order to prevent the white southerners from governing their slaves.
I think it depends upon how much history one has read. I've never lived south of New York City. That Lincoln essentially destroyed the form of government established by Jefferson, Madison, and the boys, is really beyond doubt.
ML/NJ
You answered your own question. He did face secessionist threats during his presidency and he did address them. He didn’t let a bunch of hotheads rend our nation. He kept our nation whole.
Lincoln was a statesman but the rebellion was a forgone conclusion before he ever took the reins. The south never gave him anything but hard choices He accepted responsibility and made them.
That's called a Revolution. So do you admit that the Confederates were in Rebellion against Intolerable Oppression? What was the Oppression? Where is their Declaration of Independence spelling out their grievances?
BTW, the notion that Washington would have ever raised his hand against Virginia is simply laughable.
Washington was no sentimental fool hung up on some 'heritage' issues like Bobby Lee. He would have kicked ass big time to preserve the nation he sacrificed so much to create. The instigators would not have gotten off as easy as they did under Lincoln and Grant.
Really? Where does Lincoln say that?
“That Lincoln essentially destroyed the form of government established by Jefferson, Madison, and the boys, is really beyond doubt.”
BTTT
No it isn't. The correct term is secession. The War of Independence was fought to preserve our form of government. It was the British who were trying to replace it.
Say whaaa?!
Here ya go...
“Not necessarily, I am a southerner (Texan actually) and I think both sides were wrong. Slavery was wrong and horrible, so was the Civil War and reconstruction was monsterous. Lincoln was president and he should have been able to settle the dispute before it came to war and he certainly was responsiable for reconstruction.”
Hey, Texas Sharpshooters were sure considered Southerners during the war! ;^)
I agree. This never should have come to a war. Every other civilized nation managed to do it without killing and destroying half their countries.
There was a “time line” that had to be met, though and it had to be done the 20 or 30 years earlier than it took everyone else (where have I heard THAT one before) and it couldn’t wait any longer ... too bad we couldn’t work up such ferocity over a couple of million dead babies a year.
Besides, the North thought it was going to be a cakewalk ... cripes, they came out with picnic baskets and brought the families to watch the nasty “Rebels” put in their places.
I think that even if though it did come to a war, Second Manassas should have told everyone that there HAD to be a better way. There was no turning back from the Republican Party Platforms of 1856 and 1860, however. They were going to do this, hell or high water. Both sides should have known better.
It was HELL.
Can you imagine what might have happened if the south had actually attempted to do it right?
Signed up in August. No posts except posting his own blog articles. Hmmmm ...
He ran in, lobbed a grenade and retreated — and two dozen freepers took the bait and threw themselves on the grenade.
SnakeDoc
“Can you imagine what might have happened if the south had actually attempted to do it right?”
Had they been permitted, we might still have a Republic ... instead of this mongoloid pseudo Democracy.
Had they done it right they likely would have permitted.
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