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President Lincoln Was A Terrorist, History Just Won’t Admit It
Randys Right ^ | Randy's Right

Posted on 09/27/2010 1:27:31 PM PDT by RandysRight

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To: rockrr
While Jefferson had a nasty habit of saying one thing and then doing another, I believe that he would have done the right thing and held our nation together.

How?

I'm asking because Jefferson did indeed face secessionist threats during his presidency. The North threatened secession over the Louisiana Purchase and again over his ill-conceived embargo. He made some concession and held the country together with statesmanship. Lincoln wasn't a statesman. He was an ambitions railroad lawyer with an economic agenda he intended to implement ho matter what.

61 posted on 09/27/2010 2:28:14 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: jeffc

Not necessarily, I am a southerner (Texan actually) and I think both sides were wrong. Slavery was wrong and horrible, so was the Civil War and reconstruction was monsterous. Lincoln was president and he should have been able to settle the dispute before it came to war and he certainly was responsiable for reconstruction.


62 posted on 09/27/2010 2:29:08 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter
Lincoln was president and he should have been able to settle the dispute before it came to war and he certainly was responsiable for reconstruction.

Reconstruction didn't start until well after Lincoln's assassination.

63 posted on 09/27/2010 2:31:19 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: marron

‘dragging black Repubs out of their homes and shooting them in front of their families’

You forget, they also dragged WHITE Repubs out of their homes and shot them in front of their families.


64 posted on 09/27/2010 2:31:58 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

My mistake, thanks for reminding me.


65 posted on 09/27/2010 2:32:48 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: SeeSharp
Lincoln invaded the South and killed three quarters of a million people in order to prevent the the Southerners from governing themselves.

...in order to prevent the white southerners from governing their slaves.

66 posted on 09/27/2010 2:33:15 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: jeffc
A person’s view of Lincoln depends on whether they’re a Northerner or a Southerner.

I think it depends upon how much history one has read. I've never lived south of New York City. That Lincoln essentially destroyed the form of government established by Jefferson, Madison, and the boys, is really beyond doubt.

ML/NJ

67 posted on 09/27/2010 2:33:25 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: SeeSharp

You answered your own question. He did face secessionist threats during his presidency and he did address them. He didn’t let a bunch of hotheads rend our nation. He kept our nation whole.

Lincoln was a statesman but the rebellion was a forgone conclusion before he ever took the reins. The south never gave him anything but hard choices He accepted responsibility and made them.


68 posted on 09/27/2010 2:33:50 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now)
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To: SeeSharp
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

That's called a Revolution. So do you admit that the Confederates were in Rebellion against Intolerable Oppression? What was the Oppression? Where is their Declaration of Independence spelling out their grievances?

BTW, the notion that Washington would have ever raised his hand against Virginia is simply laughable.

Washington was no sentimental fool hung up on some 'heritage' issues like Bobby Lee. He would have kicked ass big time to preserve the nation he sacrificed so much to create. The instigators would not have gotten off as easy as they did under Lincoln and Grant.

69 posted on 09/27/2010 2:34:22 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Time to Clean House.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
...in order to prevent the white southerners from governing their slaves.

Really? Where does Lincoln say that?

70 posted on 09/27/2010 2:34:28 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: RandysRight
Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter II.... The south has risen from the grave....


71 posted on 09/27/2010 2:36:06 PM PDT by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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To: ml/nj

“That Lincoln essentially destroyed the form of government established by Jefferson, Madison, and the boys, is really beyond doubt.”

BTTT


72 posted on 09/27/2010 2:37:01 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Ditto
That's called a Revolution.

No it isn't. The correct term is secession. The War of Independence was fought to preserve our form of government. It was the British who were trying to replace it.

73 posted on 09/27/2010 2:38:52 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp

Say whaaa?!


74 posted on 09/27/2010 2:40:40 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now)
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To: Ditto
Where is their Declaration of Independence spelling out their grievances?

Here ya go...

South Carolina Declaration of Secession

75 posted on 09/27/2010 2:41:28 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Ditter

“Not necessarily, I am a southerner (Texan actually) and I think both sides were wrong. Slavery was wrong and horrible, so was the Civil War and reconstruction was monsterous. Lincoln was president and he should have been able to settle the dispute before it came to war and he certainly was responsiable for reconstruction.”

Hey, Texas Sharpshooters were sure considered Southerners during the war! ;^)

I agree. This never should have come to a war. Every other civilized nation managed to do it without killing and destroying half their countries.

There was a “time line” that had to be met, though and it had to be done the 20 or 30 years earlier than it took everyone else (where have I heard THAT one before) and it couldn’t wait any longer ... too bad we couldn’t work up such ferocity over a couple of million dead babies a year.

Besides, the North thought it was going to be a cakewalk ... cripes, they came out with picnic baskets and brought the families to watch the nasty “Rebels” put in their places.

I think that even if though it did come to a war, Second Manassas should have told everyone that there HAD to be a better way. There was no turning back from the Republican Party Platforms of 1856 and 1860, however. They were going to do this, hell or high water. Both sides should have known better.

It was HELL.


76 posted on 09/27/2010 2:45:23 PM PDT by jessduntno ("If anybody believes they can increase taxes today, they're out of their mind." -- Mayor Daley)
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To: jessduntno

Can you imagine what might have happened if the south had actually attempted to do it right?


77 posted on 09/27/2010 2:46:45 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now)
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To: RandysRight

Signed up in August. No posts except posting his own blog articles. Hmmmm ...

He ran in, lobbed a grenade and retreated — and two dozen freepers took the bait and threw themselves on the grenade.

SnakeDoc


78 posted on 09/27/2010 2:48:14 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("When you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow." -- Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: rockrr

“Can you imagine what might have happened if the south had actually attempted to do it right?”

Had they been permitted, we might still have a Republic ... instead of this mongoloid pseudo Democracy.


79 posted on 09/27/2010 2:48:28 PM PDT by jessduntno ("If anybody believes they can increase taxes today, they're out of their mind." -- Mayor Daley)
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To: jessduntno

Had they done it right they likely would have permitted.


80 posted on 09/27/2010 2:49:41 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now)
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