Moderate Islam?

The American Thinker Blog ^ | October 30, 2010 | Jerry Philipson

[Scanian]

Every time anything even marginally critical of Muslims or Islam appears in the media apologists, Muslim or otherwise, respond by saying 'moderate voices must be heard' or 'misconceptions about Islam are widespread' or 'Islam is really a religion of peace and tolerance' or other such platitudes.

These pronouncements are dead wrong. What we must look at is how and why Islam manifests itself the way it does and what we must listen to are the cries of its victims, those that are still alive that is. If we did we would realize that Islam is not a religion of peace and tolerance and that Muslims constantly commit heinous acts in its name everywhere on earth, the United States and Canada included. We would realize that it is in fact not merely religion, it is a completely proscribed way of life which requires true believers to act in ways that are fundamentally at odds with free, democratic, secular, Judeo-Christian, Western societies like ours. We would realize that Islam is expansionist and demands that non believers submit to its imperatives, with horrific consequences if they don't. We would realize that the Koran is full of hatred and intolerance and misogyny, that Islam really hasn't changed since its inception, that its very nature makes change virtually impossible and that the term 'moderate Islam' is complete hogwash.

Let there be no mistake. The vast majority of Muslims in the West are every bit as peaceful and tolerant in their daily lives as you or I, but they are not true believers or practitioners even if they think they are. They couldn't be because if they were every single one of them would be out to conquer us and bring us under Islam's sway. Moderate, peaceful, tolerant, integrated Muslims-absolutely. They are all around us. Moderate, peaceful, tolerant, integrated Islam -- no such thing. Every day all over the world people are murdered, maimed, raped, attacked, vilified and humiliated under its aegis and according to its precepts and dictates. We have had 1400 years of this behavior and the evidence is overwhelming and beyond dispute...moderate Islam simply does not exist and never has.

Unfortunately, it's very difficult for ordinary citizens to gain an accurate picture of Islam because the mainstream media is unwilling or unable to show its true colors, out of ignorance, political correctness, fear of retaliation or any number of other such reasons. The media would do us all a huge favor if it did however. Islam is a direct and serious threat to Western civilization in general and must be seen for what it is if we are to keep it from destroying our way of life and forcing us all to live as it requires us to. Including moderate Muslims.

With horrific consequences if we don't

[4rcane]

moderate islam are those who don’t commit violence themselves even if they agree with the cause

if that is the new definition than I surpose tea partiers are moderate as well, yet they’re called extremist

[J Edgar]

“moderate islam” is a none existent entity - just as dry water or boiling ice are non existent entities. That’s all

[JoeProBono]

[Quiller]

"Moderate" Muslims are the ones for whom Jihad is being waged by proxies, who the shrill PCists insist on NOT connecting with Islam.

As long as there are imams who use Islam to recruit thugs, criminals, and 'victim-ragers' to the cause of striking against society, then these "moderate" Muslims accept that they are doing their part for their religion by not stopping them.

"Religion of Peace". Sure. As long as the other religions (read that as 'cultures' also) have been subdued and subservient to Islam, then it is a religion of peace.

So Islam is the perfect foil for renascent Chamberlainists to practice their appeasement -- they are promised the results they want, although the cost for that peace will be high, once its true cost becomes evident.

[Irenic]

I think media should put Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser’s movie/doc on TV— The Third Jihad.

I think everyone should see it, but at least it’s on instant play Netflix now.

[umgud]

There is no place on earth where islam can peacefully coexist with other cultures. There is a progression that correlates to the percent of muslim population. Where that percent is the strong majority with sharia law, non-muslims are at best subservient, at worst, victimized. The conflict between muslims and other cultures grows increasingly with that percentage. Our estimated muslim population is about 0.06%.

My question is if we don’t want to live in a majority muslim nation, why have any? Is one % OK? 5%, 15%, 25%? Where do we draw the line?

[PubliusMM]

“As long as the other religions (read that as ‘cultures’ also) have been subdued and subservient to Islam, then it is a religion of peace.”

Well, not really. If they don’t have an infidel around to subjugate, then they start feeding on themselves...sunni on shi’a, etc. Which is actually a great argument for ‘containing’ them in the Middle East. Coup ‘em up, and let them dispose of each other for a couple of centuries, then see what’s left to deal with.

[PIF]

Islam is the only “religion” whose peaceful verses were officially abrogated (by Mohammad)... “peaceful” or “moderate” muslims are every bit as hateful to Islam as a Jew or Hindu.

[grumpa]

Comparison of Christianity and Islam:

http://www.faithfacts.org/world-religions-and-theology/christianity-vs.-islam

[ScubieNuc]

This is a true article. Islam is radical. That can be clearly seen in the writing of the Quran and the actions of Mohammad.

There are “moderate” Muslims, though. These “moderates” are either ignorant of their own religion, too lazy or scared to actively learn and participate in their religion, useful pawns in confusing and subduing Islam’s enemies, or outright liars simply trying to fool people into letting their guard down around Muslims.

Whatever the case, moderates are no more to be trusted then the flaming radicals.

[patriot08]

There’s no such thing as a moderate muslim. Islam is a violent political ideology with its own set of laws and court system. Religion is only one component used to impose islam on non muslim societies. Islam is anathema to the U.S. Constitution. The two cannot co-exist in the U.S.

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION.
ISLAM IS A SOCIOPATHIC CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE
MODERATE ISLAM IS A TROJAN HORSE FULL OF RADICALS WHO WILL SLAUGHTER US.

[jmacusa]

There’s no such thing as a ‘’moderate Muslim’’ anymore than there were moderate Nazis. If the bloody religion were so ‘’peaceful’’, why then the need for ‘’moderation’? Wouldn’t that make the argument Islam isn’t peaceful?

[MalPearce]

You’re partly right.

There is no such thing as moderate ISLAM. Practising Muslims can’t be moderates if they still embrace Islam and are welcome in mosque. Ergo, an islamist who claims to be a moderate, is a liar.

However, it gets a bit tricky when talking about Apostates (who’ve rejected parts of the Islamic creed) who still call themselves Muslims.

It’s not easy to distinguish between the two unless you’ve got access to a mosque.

A university buddy of mine has been a devout catholic for thirteen years now and helps run a homeless shelter with the priest, but some people still assume he’s a Muslim because of his name and appearance.

He was born and raised a Muslim, but they declared him apostate. I think being spotted having a bacon and brie buttie and a pint of Guiness, while talking to a Catholic priest about converting, was the tipping point (I think he did that deliberately; he’d been talking to the priest for over a year and had previously got a bollocking for being at the Catholic Church on a Friday afternoon instead of at the mosque!)

But right up to the point where he was officially cast out from the Islamic community, he still called himself a Muslim.

The vast majority of people in the UK who claim to be Christian, rarely come into contact with a vicar except at weddings or funerals. But they’re still brought up as Christians, and welcome in a Christian church, and they’re still ALLOWED to say “I am a Christian”.

There are plenty of people I know who’re agnostic but feel an affinity for Christianity which you don’t lose simply by questioning your faith. They still say they’re Christian even though deep down they know they aren’t.

It doesn’t work that way in Islam.

Islam doesn’t *allow* apostates to call themselves Muslims in the presence of the devout.

If an apostate Muslim calls himself a Muslim after the Islamic community has disowned him, he’s technically guilty of blasphemy and there can be serious consequences.

Apostate Muslims can even get arrested in Pakistan for using the Muslim greeting “Salaam Alaykum”.

[jmacusa]

Islam doesn’t allow ‘’apostates’’ to leave. Or live. You leave Islam and there is, in effect, a contract put on your life. What other religion in the world does that? As to the Muslim you mentioned as a convert, great. But one is either a Christian or a Muslim. One can’t be both.

[MalPearce]

Yes, exactly. But surely you can understand, that's exactly why a great many apostates will still say they are Muslims even though they're not Muslims anymore. My friend who converted to Catholicism is of Middle Eastern descent and people automatically assume he's a Muslim because of his appearance. That does put him in an awkward position when meeting strangers. He can correct white anglo-saxon protestants without fear, but every passing Arab who says "As-Salāmu `Alaykum" to him will be expecting that Islamic greeting to be returned - he either does respond with it despite knowing that technically he shouldn't, or he says "Cheers mate, but I can't say that back 'cos I'm a Catholic now" and gets his head stoved in. By the logic of this thread, the mere fact he might say he's a Muslim from time to time, he's admitting to being a raving jihadist. That couldn't be further from the truth. Calling himself a Muslim proves nothing about him; it only proves that Islam is such an intolerant religion that he has to do it to keep the peace. Yes he spent half a lifetime surrounded by family, friends and community who're all Islamist and he was part of that, but this doesn't mean that having left that community he decided to take Sharia Law and Islamic Jihad with him when he converted to Catholicism.

[jmacusa]

Yes I see your point. How horrible a system that someone like your friend must still profess himself a Muslim so as not to be killed. How is this a ‘’religion’’?