Posted on 12/17/2010 1:22:47 PM PST by yoe
Caveat Emptor
The following reports are unconfirmed 2nd or 3rd hand accounts, but come from three different sources that have all been credible in the past.
I was told twice today that (Border Patrol Agent Brian A. Terry, who was killed on December 14th, was armed with “bean-bag rounds.”
"Bean bag rounds" are used when a person is a danger to himself or others, but is not a direct threat in such a manner that lethal force would be appropriate. The round is intended to disable or stun the person without killing them. 50% of cases are when the assailant has a bladed weapon.
Another source related to me that Terry “had a 12 gauge with rubber bullets.” That is, a 12 gauge shotgun with rubber bullets, as opposed to OO buckshot, for example.
Either way, if correct, Agent Terry was armed with a “non-lethal” weapon in an area so dangerous that only the elite agents of BORTAC were allowed to patrol. What gives? Did he have his M-4 rifle with him as well? Don’t know. Terry was a Marine, so of course he joined BORTAC. One person said to me this morning, "They armed a warrior with a water pistol."
Recently, agents in the area west of Rio Rico spotted the thugs who were suspected of ripping off the drug mules and of multiple rapes. 2 or 3 times agents radioed in that they could “take these guys.” But, they were told by their supervisors multiple times to disengage, “We want to take them alive.”
“Taking them alive” could be just an excuse to get the agents to back off so there would be no gun play.
"Taking them alive" could also be a legit op, but for these punks? What valuable intelligence could possibly be learned from a bunch of rogue robbers/rapists?
If you think about it, taking them alive would at the least mean; capture, arrest, charges, an arraignment, the Mexican Council getting involved, the U.S. Attorney, a trial, sentencing and, of course, press coverage at almost every step.
Does anyone think for a minute that this Administration, or the Mexican government for that matter, wanted any of that? And for what? These guys? If they surrender that's one thing, but to plan to take them alive? Not high value targets at all.
Whatever the case, you can take somebody alive with lethal weapons. It’s done all the time. It's up to the suspect to decide if they want to be taken alive or shoot it out, which in this case they did and Brian Terry died.
Kimberly Dvorak has an excellent piece, (Captured Illegal alien in BP agent murder has a U.S. rap sheet) identifying one of those captured the day Terry was killed as a multiple deportee with a rap sheet and a conviction for aggravated assault on a police officer.
I remember a lecture delivered to some crybaby on Dragnet years ago by Jack Webb’s Sgt. Joe Friday where he pointed out that if someone is willing to attack a police officer who is armed and trained to defend himself, what would prevent him from attacking anybody else? They’re the most dangerous of criminals.
There are reports of increased helicopter and fixed wing aircraft traffic in the area since Terry’s killing.
There are other reports of drug cartel observation posts up in the hills.
One rancher was witnessed telling a news crew to get the microphone out of his face and get off his property because they were being observed by drug lookouts and he didn’t want any trouble with them after the reporters left.
Reports of drug cartels' observation posts in the mountains have yet to be confirmed by the news media, but it makes sense. They can watch the trails, the roads, the traffic and the airspace and radio the information back to smugglers about to enter the area. The drug lookouts have state of the art technology; level 3 night vision, encrypted radios and burst transmitters making it hard to track them down.
Hostile OPs in mountainous terrain? We have some excellent men perfectly trained for exactly this kind of mission.
I suggest we pull a team of Delta Force, or Green Berets, or SEALs out of the mountains of Afghanistan-Pakistan and pair them up with the 160th S.O.A.R. of Black Hawk Down fame. Put some F.L.I.R. (forward looking infra-red) on the choppers, fly around the hills of southern Arizona near known smuggling routes and when they spot a warm body, insert the teams and take the OPs out. If the drug thugs want to surrender, so be it. If they don’t…so be it.
U.S. Special Forces Operators have an excellent record in the mountains of central Asia of tracking down and killing or capturing those who are smuggling drugs and plan to use the proceeds to kill Americans.
I think we can reliably presume that they will have a similar successful record in the mountains of Arizona of tracking down and killing or capturing those who are smuggling drugs and killing American ranchers and Border Patrol agents. And they won’t be using rubber bullets.
It’s time for answers. There is a lot we don't know, a lot of unconfirmed reports. (We need a congressional investigation into the killing of BP Agent Brian Terry) I can’t imagine anything so secret that we can’t be told about the mission that Brian Terry and his fellow agents were engaged in when he was killed.
I suggest that some of these questions could be asked of DHS Secretary, and former Arizona governor, Janet Napolitano if she should happen to hold a press conference while she's in Arizona to, you know, reassure us that the border is safe and secure.
Rick Oltman is the Founder of The Immigration Tea Party
WHOSE ORDER WAS IT TO SEND THIS BORDER PATROLMAN OUT TO STOP THE DRUGGIES WITH NO LIVE FIRE POWER????? Janet Napolitano NEEDS TO COME FORWARD NOW AND ANSWER THIS.
Outrageous, if true. I hope someone follows up on this.
Since when has anything Janet INCOMPETENTO has done passed muster as LOGICAL??
If this proves out, I hope Terry’s family sues the s**t out of whoever issued that beanbag order. I hope it was Big Sis.
What a disgrace...unbelievable...
After the 9/11 attacks when the airports reopened some had National Guard Troops patrolling them.
Come to be that some weren’t issued ammunition with the excuse being they were just there for ‘show’ and there was plenty of ‘firepower’ around to cover the situation.
It was pointed out that the fact that a person, in a Military uniform, with a weapon, loaded or not, is automatically a target.
I think it was in Maryland that a parent threatened to sue because of this, since his son was one of the troops.
Bean bag rounds do a heck of a fine job at beating one single lone target down at very close range, nothing else.
Beyond a distance of -say- ten foot, your butt is toast if that is all you have.
I've been around federal law enforcement officers my entire adult life. I have never known them to be without a sidearm outside of a sterile area, like a courtroom or a interview room. Ever. I don't believe they'd be actually in the field entirely absent a fully-lethal weapon.
If she issued that order she is responsible for that mans death and therefore should be tried for the murder. This government is NOT the government I grew up with. I want my government back from the sleazy, amoral, spineless, elitist tripe that have hijacked it. And, I want Soros banned from the USA.
It really doesn’t matter what the author of this article wants, or what you an id want.
It is obvious to any buit a damned fool that our Government higher ups have decided that the Borders of our country will be open to any and all who want to freely roam across them.
There may some little show of slowing them down at the Border crossings, but only one of their idiots would try to cross there. The real place top come into America is almost anywhere except the Border Crossings.
Once here those same higher ups aredetermined to make these illegal into citizens with educations health care, Social security and a citizenship even better than mnost fist class Americans.
And you know what???? There isn’t a damned thing we can do about it. We are being sold out by our politicians and liberals , and there isn’t a damned thing we can do about it. Votign is just a waste of time.
It really doesn’t matter what the author of this article wants, or what you an id want.
It is obvious to any buit a damned fool that our Government higher ups have decided that the Borders of our country will be open to any and all who want to freely roam across them.
There may some little show of slowing them down at the Border crossings, but only one of their idiots would try to cross there. The real place top come into America is almost anywhere except the Border Crossings.
Once here those same higher ups aredetermined to make these illegal into citizens with educations health care, Social security and a citizenship even better than mnost fist class Americans.
And you know what???? There isn’t a damned thing we can do about it. We are being sold out by our politicians and liberals , and there isn’t a damned thing we can do about it. Voting is just a waste of time.
Incompetano wants to make sure no illegals are hurt.
If true, this is an invasion of US land by hostile forces. The US military ^should^ be brought in to eliminate said contrary forces.
hummm
If that’s how they sent him in to that area, then there’s a supervisory chain that needs to be indicted for murder.
And risk provoking the hispanic voter demographic? Are you nuts? /s
Incompetano wants to make sure no illegals are hurt.
It is incredible. It is almost if we have become Wonderland from Alice & Wonderland. It is crazy.
Incompetano wants to make sure no illegals are hurt.
It is incredible. It is almost if we have become Wonderland from Alice & Wonderland. It is crazy.
Hey Big Sis!
Walmart is having a special on paintball guns!
Maybe if you buy enough of them it will count as “Stimulous money”!
Idiots!
I would personally send in our Devil Dogs to make amends. I am not making decisions though. I know our present government is thankful for this fact.
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