Posted on 01/04/2011 8:22:45 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
I was watching Forbes on Fox yesterday, and I could have sworn that I heard Steve Forbes say that a potential repeal and replace of Obama Care could be accomplished by Republicans pushing for a repeal and a replacement with a Health Care bill that would be similar to the food stamp program - and it would be set up on a sliding scale basis.
This got me to thinking...
How could Dems possibly be against this?
First of all, it could be set up as being voluntary - no individual mandate. No one is required to sign up for food stamps, and no one would be required to sign up for this, either. Those that want to keep their private coverage could. Obama himself said when campaigning against Hillary Clinton for the Democrat nomination that you couldn't mandate health care coverage anymore than you could mandate home ownership.
Secondly, costs could be kept down with allowing competition across state lines, tort reform, and requiring that when people moved up the economic ladder that they pay back what they used under this system.
This proposal would box Obama in as this would force him to say that he would be against a HCR system that is similar to the food stamp program, would force him to continue to support the individual mandate when it would no longer be necessary, and force him to have to let go of the gov't having total control that it will have under Obama Care.
A disaster to replace an existing disaster seams like a plan
Maybe you should change your name to lazy welfare capitalist?
And Forbes’ suggestion would box Obama in and expose him on that.
1.competition across state lines/good idea
2.tort reform/never happen even if you had a gun to
every hacks head
3.requiring that when people moved up the economic ladder that they pay back what they used under this system/sounds like the college loan pay back program that didn’t work out
I don’t want the fed to get that involved, either. But I would take this over Obama Care if no other option was available.
Agreed. He is a RINO.
I see it all the time. Someone sells food stamps for half the value by buying food for someone else, getting cash and going home with someone elses’ prescription Xanax.
It used to be for the very poor and they advertise that family of four making $30,000 or something can be eligible. lol.
It's a different discriminatory pricing scheme.
Many of the complaints about Obamacare so far have focused on the mandatory purchasing of insurance. But, I say, if the price of that mandatory insurance is reduced to next to nothing for some, isn't this really discriminatory pricing? Isn't that the main idea here? Doesn't Steve's idea do much the same thing?
Of course, there's a whole host of other screwed up rules in this 2800 page monstrosity, but let's pick that up another day.
It doesn’t sound too laissez-faire to me.
“the theory or system of government that upholds the autonomous character of the economic order, believing that government should intervene as little as possible in the direction of economic affairs.”
There is no error, other than that other people than Forbes have even suggested that those using HC pay back at least a part of what they owe when they rise up the economic ladder. They haven’t suggested the same thing for use of the food stamp program. You conflated the two.
But how could libs be against this HC program suggested by Forbes as it would be just like the food stamp program, given that no one is forced to sign up for food stamps and given that Dems have never suggested that people be forced to sign up for food stamps - even if they are eligible for them?
Might want to talk to the cops about that, or move out of that house.
Food stamp program fraud is a tad more difficult.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”
-Benjamin Franklin
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents...Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.”
-James Madison
Agreed it isn’t Laissez Faire at all. As if I need a lecture on this economic system. But the pragmatic side of me says that this is better than Obama Care.
I guees you would rather have Obama Care if you had no other choice but taking it or taking what Forbes suggetsted. Sad.
Anyway, I would consider Forbes’ suggestion to be a last ditch proposal if all else fails.
CVS pharmacies have “Minute Clinics”, and there is a “Little Clinic” at a Kroger grocery store near where I live. Not too expensive and the wait’s usually pretty short.
That about sums it up.
Yes, and some states even allow people to get cash in change when they use food stamp cards. This is just wrong. And now, with all the free meals available in the schools, year-round, plus they send free food home with many of the students, there must be some duplication of our tax dollars supposedly feeding some of the families multiple times.
What, you get x number of health care bucks per month and can buy whatever drugs you want with them?
Ad Homs are quintessentially liberal. You aren't a liberal are you?
Anyway, if it all comes down to taking what Forbes suggested ot taking Obama Care (if we end up with no other options, SCOTUS upholds the individual mandate and so on), what else would you propose?
I say fight on til then, but if we are left with no other choice than what Forbes suggested, then I would rather have that than Obama Care any day of the week.
I guees you would rather have Obama Care if you had no other choice but taking it or taking what Forbes suggetsted. Sad.
Anyway, I would consider Forbes’ suggestion to be a last ditch proposal if all else fails
I'd rather have good men and women that abide by the constitution than have either Obammie care or Forbe's idea of an alternative to it.
Big government is a cancer whether it's sponsored by someone with a "D" before his party affiliation, or an "R" (don't get me started on the "L" Party).
this is what you posted. It appears to be attributed to Forbes. If he didn't say it, you should have made that plain.
“But how could libs be against this HC program suggested by Forbes as it would be just like the food stamp program, given that no one is forced to sign up for food stamps and given that Dems have never suggested that people be forced to sign up for food stamps - even if they are eligible for them?’
Dems not only suggested that people be required to sign up for health care, they passed a law to REQUIRE it. CONTROL! They are going for control, not free choice. That is how they can object. Many of the people who don't have health care insurance don't have it because they chose to NOT have health care insurance. The Libs don't like that. Not any more, anyway. They are less and less about free choice, and more and more about “We'll take care of you. Even if you don't want us to.” They also plan on making all us "rich" people pay for those who can't.
The states already have this and the Feds are involved by reimbusing the states a percentage of the costs. It is called Medicaid.
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