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I do not want civil discourse
Don Surber Blog ^ | 1-16-11 | Don Surber

Posted on 01/16/2011 9:33:20 AM PST by radioone

For a decade, from the election of Bush 43 forward, the Left has lied and cheated as it tried to return to power. Al Gore made a mockery out of the American electoral system by being a spoilsport over Florida, which Bush indeed won by 537 votes. Dan Rather forged a document to try to derail Bush’s re-election. Twice Democrats stole U.S. senators from the Republicans. After voting to support the war to get by the 2002 election, many Democrats quickly soured on the war. The profane protests were cheered by liberals who misattributed “dissent is the highest form of patriotism”to Thomas Jefferson; the words belong to the late historian Howard Zinn.

Once in power, liberals were the opposite of gracious.

For two years now, I have been called ignorant, racist, angry and violent by the left. The very foul-mouthed protesters of Bush dare to now label my words as “hate speech.”

Last week, the left quickly blamed the right for the national tragedy of a shooting spree by a madman who never watched Fox News, never listened to Rush Limbaugh and likely did not know who Sarah Palin is.

Fortunately, the American public rejected out of hand that idiotic notion that the right was responsible.

Rather than apologize, the left wants to change the tone of the political debate.

The left suddenly wants civil discourse.

Bite me.

The left wants to play games of semantics.

Bite me.

The left wants us to be civil — after being so uncivil for a decade.

Bite me.

There is grown-up work to do now. Liberals ran up the federal credit card, destroyed the American medical system and undermined the rule of law — which is the foundation of capitalism — with a bunch of unconstitutional fiats from the president and his bureaucracy.

The economy is a mess. The president “inherited” a 7.6% unemployment rate. It’s now 9.4% — after we spent a record $787 billion on a stimulus.

I was not consulted on that stimulus. I had a very good argument against it. I said the money supply was too large and printing more money would fail. I said let the economic downturn run its course.

Lefties were too busy celebrating the 2008 election to listen.

When people protested lefties made vulgar remarks about tea-bagging and giggled.

So screw you and your civil discourse.

I don’t want to hear it.

I have been screamed at for 10 years.

It’s my turn now. I am not going to scream back. But I refuse to allow anyone to dictate what I say or how I say it. I refuse to allow the same foul-mouthed, foul-spirited foul people who dumped on me to now try to tell me what I may or may not say.

My free speech matters more than the feelings of anyone on the left. You don’t like what I say? Tough.

I will not allow people to label my words Hate Speech or try to lecture me on civility. I saw the lefty signs. The left’s definition of civil discourse is surreal.

We have a terribly unfit president who has expanded government control beyond not only what is constitutional but what is healthy for our freedom.

Indeed, this call for civil discourse is itself a direct threat to my free speech.

So screw you.

You don’t like my words? You don’t like my tone? You feel threatened?

Too bad.

No.

Actually, that is what I want. I want the lefties to feel bad. I want them to feel hurt. I want them to cry to their mommies.

That way the field will be cleared so we grown-ups can fix the nation and the economy. If you can’t put up with a little excrement, get the hell out of the barn.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: bipartisan; civil; democrats; discourse; giffords; liberals; mccain; obama; rino; vitriol
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1 posted on 01/16/2011 9:33:23 AM PST by radioone
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To: radioone
Dan Rather forged a document to try to derail Bush’s re-election.

It still amazes me that no one really cared about this.

2 posted on 01/16/2011 9:38:47 AM PST by brytlea
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To: radioone

HELL YEAH. Spread this message far and wide...we will not be silenced!!


3 posted on 01/16/2011 9:39:14 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: radioone

I like it.


4 posted on 01/16/2011 9:42:16 AM PST by Boiling point (Beck / Palin 2012)
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To: radioone

Total and whole hearted agreement : The PTB on the left (media, academics, and political figures) talk about people like me like we’re subhuman-and now they want US to take a civil tone?!??!! They couldn’t silence us using the Race Card, so now they’re trying the ‘civil’ card.


5 posted on 01/16/2011 9:45:13 AM PST by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital! This has been a spelling PSA. PS Secede not succeed)
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To: radioone

Well said. I’d take it a step further, being the war-monger that I am. I WANT the left to physically lash out against innocent people because then I’d be within my rights to return fire.

Screw them and anyone that looks like them! They are the enemy of freedom.


6 posted on 01/16/2011 9:47:51 AM PST by meyer (Obama - the Schwartz is with him.)
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To: radioone

“from the election of Bush 43 forward,”

BS. The libs and the Democrats have been lying and cheating long before that.


7 posted on 01/16/2011 9:49:57 AM PST by Cisco Nix (Because the left is ugly and the right is beautiful.)
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To: radioone

This echos my thoughts exactly! I always said the Left went nuts after they lost the 2000 election.


8 posted on 01/16/2011 9:51:41 AM PST by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: radioone

Exactly, it is their latest tactic to censor free speech. They have been waiting for this event for years to claim we are violent and this is what they were after. They can dish but can’t take.

Pray for America


9 posted on 01/16/2011 9:53:15 AM PST by bray (Support Palin to make heads explode on both sides,is that Blood Libel?)
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To: meyer

Because Eric Holder and barry the bastard can at present restrain reaction to the violence their dupes in the union and green thuggery are planning, look for the ‘riots’ to be staged int he next two years. If they wait until the criminal Holder and the bastard are out of powewr, their rampaging will get them killed like the vermin they are. The next two years as planned by the thuggery now in the white hut will be interesting to watch. BLOAT is the best advice I can give right now. There are disturbing episodes rushing toward US.


10 posted on 01/16/2011 9:54:06 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: radioone

“I have been screamed at for 10 years.

It’s my turn now. I am not going to scream back. But I refuse to allow anyone to dictate what I say or how I say it. I refuse to allow the same foul-mouthed, foul-spirited foul people who dumped on me to now try to tell me what I may or may not say.”

When the Leftists started blaming every one on the Right for the Giffords massacre the Right wasn’t shy about screaming right back at them. This is just another example of such.


11 posted on 01/16/2011 9:56:15 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: MHGinTN
So far, I have seen insufficient evidence that the GOP wishes to really stop Obama's push into Leftist tyranny. The GOP, IMO, still doesn't get it, and still sees the Tea Party as the biggest threat to the country.

Whether we want Palin, Bachmann, DeMint, or whomever, I think our candidate of choice is going to have to fight both political parties and the media. Very tough fight to win.

12 posted on 01/16/2011 9:59:22 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: radioone
You are right. No "civil" discourse. This is liberal, Orwellian double-speak for censorship and prior restraint. We will not be silenced, we will not be controlled. FREE SPEECH, FREE SPEECH, FREE SPEECH!

The First Amendment is non-negotiable.*


* Actually, non of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights are negotiable.
13 posted on 01/16/2011 10:02:12 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: radioone
I think a little of their own medicine is in order.

Some will say by lowering ourselves to their level, we are no better than them.
Yes we are.

14 posted on 01/16/2011 10:07:12 AM PST by oldbrowser (Blaming the prince of fools shouldn't blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that elected him)
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To: radioone
We are witnessing the 'alinskying' of the American Public by the Media and Liberals. If you wonder what that is, READ the book, ..."Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinsky. Which starts out this way:

Opening page - Dedication
“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history... the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

Prologue
"The Revolutionary force today has two targets, moral as well as material. Its young protagonists are one moment reminiscent of the idealistic early Christians, yet they also urge violence and cry, 'BURN THE SYSTEM DOWN!' They have no illusions about the system, but plenty of illusions about the way to change our world. It is to this point that I have written this book."

The Purpose
"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism."

"An organizer working in and for an open society is in an ideological dilemma to begin with, he does not have a fixed truth -- truth to him is relative and changing; everything to him is relative and changing.... To the extent that he is free from the shackles of dogma, he can respond to the realities of the widely different situations...."
15 posted on 01/16/2011 10:09:20 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (I am a US Citizen, A Patriot, A TEA Partier, An Oath Keeper, A Voter, An Auburn Fan!)
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To: radioone

I’d rather hear this on NATIONWIDE TV than Obama’s SOTU.

Question: If this speech ended up on Obama’s teleprompter, would he mindlessly read it ?


16 posted on 01/16/2011 10:16:03 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: radioone

Given everything that’s being stolen from me, in the form of healthcare, public financial responsibility, and on and on...why would I be civil?

The expectation is absurd.


17 posted on 01/16/2011 10:16:36 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: radioone
Actually, that is what I want. I want the lefties to feel bad. I want them to feel hurt. I want them to cry to their mommies.

My thoughts exactly...

18 posted on 01/16/2011 10:18:31 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

No shiite. The gang rape is ok because after all vaseline was brought along, to be nice like.


19 posted on 01/16/2011 10:19:18 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: radioone; NFHale; hiredhand; Travis McGee; SLB; Jeff Head; wardaddy

Wow....I like this blogger. Agree 100% !

No quarter given....


20 posted on 01/16/2011 10:24:03 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: radioone
"I want the lefties to feel bad. I want them to feel hurt. I want them to cry to their mommies."

Civil discourse is coming, like it or not. The Leftists aren't just going to run home and cry to mommy (or their two mommies, two daddies, mommy and a goat, daddy and a horse, whatever). As they lose their grip on the power they believe is theirs by right, they're coming unglued. It's not the "militia movement" that's going to foment civil discourse, it's Leftist groups backed by international communist organizations like the WWP and International ANSWER.

The article is right: don't censor your own speech in the name of "civility". Don't shy away from speaking your mind and speaking the truth. But realize that civil disorder is on its way, and it could get bloody. Our enemies aren't just going to run home and cry in their pillows...terrorist bombings, assassinations, kidnappings, outright street battles with the police and military, don't put anything past them. Our nation will resemble Athens, Paris and London if we're lucky. Mexico and Colombia if we're not.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

21 posted on 01/16/2011 10:26:13 AM PST by wku man (Still holding my breath, but exhaling a bit after Nov. 2...)
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To: bray
They have been waiting for ENABLED this event for years to claim we are violent and this is what they were after.
22 posted on 01/16/2011 10:26:53 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: radioone

I agree with every point made.

But I wonder, what will we do if they don’t stop what they are doing?

You say, “I will not allow people to label my words Hate Speech or try to lecture me on civility.”

I will not let an attack on my words go unanswered.

I will not begin any fight but I will do all in my power even to my death to win any fight brought my way. There are days I pray that the left and their mindless minions bring a fight.

I do not like the mockery that has been made of our United States and the Constitution, I resent it, I hate it and I want it to end.


23 posted on 01/16/2011 10:28:59 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: radioone

The domestic enemy within, (american marxists and the degenerate Congressional Progressive caucus and their comrades in the press), are the existential threat to the USA, not the ragheads.
Their unrelenting attacks on the natural order must be repelled and the lefts ability to make mischief neutralized.

That means congressional hearings, prosecutions, investigations, imprisonment, and not allowing them to hide, rest, or regroup.


24 posted on 01/16/2011 10:29:07 AM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: bray
"Pray for America"

By all means, pray...but don't stop there. Prepare.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

25 posted on 01/16/2011 10:31:58 AM PST by wku man (Still holding my breath, but exhaling a bit after Nov. 2...)
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To: radioone
When people protested lefties made vulgar remarks about tea-bagging and giggled. So screw you and your civil discourse. I don’t want to hear it.

AMEN!!!

26 posted on 01/16/2011 10:34:05 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: MHGinTN

Please enlighten: “BLOAT”?


27 posted on 01/16/2011 10:37:32 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: radioone
Well said.


28 posted on 01/16/2011 10:38:01 AM PST by OCC
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To: Squantos

Yep, it’s so obvious. Like a dirty fighter who gets knocked to his knees and suddenly wants to call a truce. I’m not buying it either.


29 posted on 01/16/2011 10:41:22 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: brytlea; radioone
Dan Rather forged a document to try to derail Bush’s re-election.

That is an inaccurate statement. Dan Rather did not forge the documents. IMHO they would have been even clumsier forgeries if he had.

At worse, Dan totally neglected to have the anonymously sent documents vetted. That makes it gross incompetence on his part, not malice. Not to say he isn't malicious, just that his total lack of honesty and integrity were more important in this case.

30 posted on 01/16/2011 10:50:19 AM PST by magslinger (Samuel Colt, feminist. Making women equal to men for over 150 years.)
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To: brytlea; radioone
No mention of those forgeries is complete without this old favorite:

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31 posted on 01/16/2011 10:55:51 AM PST by magslinger (Samuel Colt, feminist. Making women equal to men for over 150 years.)
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To: radioone

“Civil discourse” is just another word for bi-partisanship. This is unelected influence liberals demand when they are in the minority. Been going on forever.


32 posted on 01/16/2011 10:59:11 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: radioone
"Civil discourse" does not mean "no dissent."

-PJ

33 posted on 01/16/2011 11:08:28 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: radioone

I agree with the “Bite me” statement, although I wouldn’t want them to actually do it. They might give me their brain disease.

They are trying to deflect the truth, truth about many things like how they think we are empty-mided sheep, how they have no honor and no real love of anything but power and are willing sacrafice anything to get it (even throw the baby out with the bathwater). They like to talk about greedy capitalists, but in reality there is no matching the damage to society by greedy politicians. It would be nice if they would pull the log out of thier own eyes before commenting on the splinters in others.


34 posted on 01/16/2011 11:22:21 AM PST by dajeeps
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To: Travis McGee

Hope yer well Buddy....Stay safe !


35 posted on 01/16/2011 11:29:52 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Rome2000

I agree with what you say, but, the rock worshippers are a clear and present danger enabled by the PC climate of the leftists. They are in lockstep with the progressives who wish to destroy our way of worship, life and liberty.


36 posted on 01/16/2011 11:40:41 AM PST by Sparky21555
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To: ClearCase_guy
o far, I have seen insufficient evidence that the GOP wishes to really stop Obama's push into Leftist tyranny. The GOP, IMO, still doesn't get it, and still sees the Tea Party as the biggest threat to the country.

Alas, this is becoming evident. For example, Democrats criticized the Republicans for using the expression "job-killing" to describe Obamacare, saying that it's too violent. Most of us on FR would say this charge is fatuous, yet just this morning, I heard on Fox News that Rep. John Boehner is now using the term "job-destroying" to describe Obamacare.

37 posted on 01/16/2011 12:01:44 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: magslinger

Is it my imagination or is your post moving?


38 posted on 01/16/2011 12:05:47 PM PST by brytlea
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To: brytlea
It is changing between two documents. One is the document Dan Rather had to "prove" that Bush 43 was given special protection while in the TANG, the other was made with computer software not available in 1973. You will note that they are virtually identical, the differences are believed to be caused by copying and then copying the copy a number of times to make it look old.
39 posted on 01/16/2011 1:09:44 PM PST by magslinger (Samuel Colt, feminist. Making women equal to men for over 150 years.)
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To: brytlea

More about it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents


40 posted on 01/16/2011 1:17:40 PM PST by magslinger (Samuel Colt, feminist. Making women equal to men for over 150 years.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Whether we want Palin, Bachmann, DeMint, or whomever, I think our candidate of choice is going to have to fight both political parties and the media. Very tough fight to win.

Guarantee that the oligarchs won't allow the election of an outsider. It has to be a NWO/Trilateralists. National elections suck because the middle class, hard working taxpayers always must settle for the lesser of 2 evils, which never assist them.

41 posted on 01/16/2011 1:19:03 PM PST by Digger ((If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election))
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To: Squantos; radioone; hiredhand; Travis McGee; SLB; Jeff Head; wardaddy; Gilbo_3; Liz; mkjessup; ...

“...bite me...” and “..So screw you and your civil discourse. ...”

Hehehe....this guy is a man after my own heart.

You are NOT alone, jack....there’s LEGIONS of us that feel exactly the same way.

Do not back down. Not one f***ing inch.

Best post in a long time. Wish I’d written it.


42 posted on 01/16/2011 1:24:07 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

“..The First Amendment is non-negotiable.* “

So is the Second.

Not one more inch.

(yes, I saw the asterisk...just had to emphasize it.)


43 posted on 01/16/2011 1:26:37 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: radioone

Awesome! The comments following the article are uplifting as well.


44 posted on 01/16/2011 1:54:00 PM PST by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Cisco Nix
Lincoln's Cooper Speech: You charge that we stir up insurrections among your slaves. We deny it; and what is your proof? Harper's Ferry! John Brown!! John Brown was no Republican; and you have failed to implicate a single Republican in his Harper's Ferry enterprise. If any member of our party is guilty in that matter, you know it or you do not know it. If you do know it, you are inexcusable for not designating the man and proving the fact. If you do not know it, you are inexcusable for asserting it, and especially for persisting in the assertion after you have tried and failed to make the proof. You need to be told that persisting in a charge which one does not know to be true, is simply malicious slander.

BS. The libs and the Democrats have been lying and cheating long before that.

As you can see the Democrats are well practiced at lies and calumny and getting the idiot media to spout if for them.

45 posted on 01/16/2011 2:19:05 PM PST by eaglesiniowa ((Hope is not a course of action))
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To: Squantos

We’re fair to middlin’.

Did you read this one?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2656871/posts


46 posted on 01/16/2011 3:03:27 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: oldbrowser
Some will say by lowering ourselves to their level, we are no better than them.

I always thought that was a ridiculous notion. Don't talk bad about Bin Laden, because you'll only be lowering yourself to his level. The very idea is laughable.
47 posted on 01/16/2011 4:23:49 PM PST by youngidiot
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To: Travis McGee; ConservativeLawyer

I did .....very good stuff. Castigo Cay out yet ?? Waiting for that one .

Did ya see this one ? Very good read by Robert Capko....;o)

http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/33446

A few names we know in the acknowledgments .


48 posted on 01/16/2011 5:02:12 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: magslinger

Oh gosh, that does a number on my old eyes, but very cool!


49 posted on 01/16/2011 6:21:41 PM PST by brytlea
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To: Squantos
Excellent. :-) The left can kiss my ass as well. Their little experiment has failed. They just need to deal with it because for them to do anything else simply won't be productive for them or the nation. All they do is facilitate and extend suffering.

The recent shooting in AZ was tragic, and we're all grieved at varying degrees about Giffords and the others. But the left has politicized it and used it as a distraction. They forget that we peacefully handed them their heads on platters only this past November, and yet they speak as if they're on another gun control kick. They have about as much of a chance of pushing gun control legislation through as a snowball in hell. They speak as if they're still in power. Even speaking as IF they have authority (which they don't) they don't suggest anything helpful. Gun control is another of their dismal failures and the statistics gathering and reporting capabilities of the 80s, 90s, and the last 11 years are solidly against them. They have no argument for gun control anymore. But not only this, one of THEIR OWN is the killer. They PRODUCED the freak. But from what I've read about him, he led a tortured existence...a godless homosexual who took photos of himself wearing a red thong holding a pistol and then posted them on his blog. He is what the left produces, along with the murderers of the unborn, legislators who make careers out of keeping the poor in poverty through generations, and who mock the Constitution as a living document. He is the BEST they can produce, and when he performs the evil which was indoctrinated into him which perfects itself in homosexuality and murder, they promptly disown him and announce that he's the ENEMY...which is US. They ALL live in suffering and misery. It's what they ARE. It's their product.

Nice try you dumb-assed leftists. Not only are the facts against you, but too many of these facts have already been reported by the MSM. How's it feel to try to peg a murder that you're responsible for against your enemy, only to have the facts get in the way?! It please me immensely! :-) I only hope that one of your insane homosexual followers learns enough of the truth to turn on some of YOU next time, instead of the innocents.

It's an unspeakable shame that the the left politicize human suffering. It's as if their norm is to include such things in their campaign strategies and they see nothing wrong with it but it's shameful.

I haven't said this in awhile because I haven't been able to say much that's "positive" lately. But if the left weren't so F'n stupid, they'd thank us from the bottom of their hearts for not organizing and initiating a coup d e'tat starting at lowest possible levels. I didn't mention arming up because we're already armed. We don't operate like that murderous little asshole who shot Giffords and go buy a weapon a couple of weeks prior in an emotional heat. We're already armed...organized...and even a little upset. Actually, we're way, WAY beyond the point of being upset.

But alas we love peace, law, and order, and belong to The Lord and so we don't abide by the vile ways of the left. But as I was saying, if they weren't simply so stupid, they'd be grateful.

How it grieves me that they continue to live and cause such depths of trouble and suffering. But vengeance isn't mine to take. Stupid, malicious leftists will have to stand before God, just as we all will. But then again, they don't believe in God. We'll see how that works out for them some day. :-)

One thing is for certain though. This nation can't stand forever in its current form. It will fall, and we all know that power abhors a vacuum. Many other nations have suffered this. Viewing the digression we've been experiencing in our own nation, it's not inconceivable that we're going through this same cycle. What will the left do if we hit bottom? My advice to them would be for the leaders and academicians to leave for an overseas location IMMEDIATELY and for those remaining to stay very quiet, not make trouble, and keep their heads down.

If any of them stumbles across this entry, they need to know that I speak for a multitude of people and that what I've written is as civil as it's going to get. From here on out, it doesn't get any more civil.

Civil discourse indeed! Them calling for civil discourse is a lot like a pedophile demanding to be in charge of a day care. They're simply not capable, and their motives are suspect for very good reasons! There shouldn't even be a discussion. Just hang the bastard in public and move forward.
50 posted on 01/16/2011 7:06:38 PM PST by hiredhand
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