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Obamacare vs. No-fault divorce
http://considerandhearme.wordpress.com ^ | 02/10/2011 | considerandhearme

Posted on 02/10/2011 4:22:54 AM PST by mbeaven

"The new healthcare law can make certain things more difficult, but family life will still happen. And that is what is most important."

"After the passage of no-fault divorce (thank you Ronald Regan), children are often not raised in a stable two-parent home. Traditional marriage, as an institution, is in retreat."

http://considerandhearme.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/obamacare-vs-no-fault-divorce/

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: divorce; healthcare; obama; regan
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To: humblegunner

So........... are ya out yet?


21 posted on 02/10/2011 6:32:07 AM PST by Ditter
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To: mbeaven; thackney; shibumi
Thanks for the post thackney and for the information shibumi.

mbeaven, you asked for honest feedback so here it is: this is probably one of the most poorly written pieces I've read in a very long time. Poorly constructed sentences and changes in verb tense mid sentence do not make this easy to read. For me, it was like listening to the rejects on American Idol. Your writing is equivilent to the screeching of the loosers thinking they can sing.

22 posted on 02/10/2011 6:36:18 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Green Bay Packers - SuperBowl 45 champs)
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To: shibumi

Sensei! Two-time loser? You got me beat. I only have one ex-hubby, and that was 45 years ago.


23 posted on 02/10/2011 6:37:24 AM PST by TheOldLady ("20 Years Ago Desert Storm began...where were you...?" "I believe I was hitting it." - Lazamataz)
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To: TheOldLady

Third time - DING! DING! DING!


24 posted on 02/10/2011 6:39:11 AM PST by shibumi (I am The Nexus One - I want more life, Baby I aint done!)
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To: shibumi
Jackpot! The Charm! At Last Love!
25 posted on 02/10/2011 6:43:28 AM PST by TheOldLady ("20 Years Ago Desert Storm began...where were you...?" "I believe I was hitting it." - Lazamataz)
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To: dajeeps
Great comment on #8. I can sooooo relate, but I have 4 kids. I agree with you in that the decline of marriage is due to cultural changes, with the biggest problem being that we WANT from our spouse and we expect to receive it. If we give, with no expectation of anything in return, we receive 10 fold. Few give without expecting something in return. Obviously emotionally whole people can only give without expecting something, and for two of these kinds of people to find each other, it is rare. Selfishness has become the norm and you can't be in a good marriage and be selfish. Selfishness means me against him/her and never can the “two shall become one” thing happen. Good for you on the “I wouldn't change a thing”.
26 posted on 02/10/2011 6:49:15 AM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: thackney; mbeaven
"You will get more feedback if you will actually post the information. I'll help you out."

After reading your essay (?) mbeaven, I have come up with a constructive suggestion. not being one to reinvent the wheel, I'll just borrow from Wiki:

" Postsecondary remedial education (also known as postsecondary remediation, developmental education, basic skills education, compensatory education, or preparatory education) is a large and growing segment of higher education in the United States. It is composed primarily of sequences of increasingly advanced courses designed to bring underprepared students to the level of skill competency expected of new college freshmen."
27 posted on 02/10/2011 6:54:07 AM PST by shibumi (I am The Nexus One - I want more life, Baby I aint done!)
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To: humblegunner

“Anyone opposed to divorce is invited to spend a week with my ex-wife.

Then we’ll talk.”

Very funny!


28 posted on 02/10/2011 8:17:33 AM PST by GizzyGirl
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To: humblegunner

Thanks for the correction. Spell check was not my friend today!


29 posted on 02/10/2011 1:03:45 PM PST by mbeaven (Divorce Stats)
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To: dajeeps

From a conservative position, the problem with divorce is the same problem as with gay marriage: There is no such thing. If you marry someone of the same gender, you are not really married. If you divorce and remarry, you are still married to the first person (until they die).


30 posted on 02/10/2011 1:05:39 PM PST by mbeaven (Divorce Stats)
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To: mbeaven
Matthew, Chapter 5:32
but I say unto you, that every one that putteth away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, maketh her an adulteress: and whosoever shall marry her when she is put away committeth adultery.
31 posted on 02/10/2011 3:39:58 PM PST by dajeeps
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To: dajeeps

I am familiar. However, it is still forbidden to marry a divorced person.

” and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery”


32 posted on 02/10/2011 7:48:20 PM PST by mbeaven (Divorce Stats)
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To: mbeaven

Right, but it does not say it is forbidden to marry a divorced person. Punctuation is important; it is one sentace not two.

If you marry someone who subsequently fornicates, you can divorce them and find someone else.

Of course this line of conversation has nothing to do with no-fault divorce, ObamaCare, or the fact that people are going to do what people do regardless of how difficult divorce is to get.


33 posted on 02/11/2011 4:17:11 AM PST by dajeeps
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To: dajeeps

You have no logic. It is adultery but it is not forbidden? Read 1 Cor 6:9 to see what happens to those who commit adultery (marry a divorced person or remarry after divorcing).


34 posted on 02/11/2011 9:46:46 AM PST by mbeaven (Divorce Stats)
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To: dajeeps

Let’s dissect what you posted:

“Matthew, Chapter 5:32
but I say unto you, that every one that putteth away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, maketh her an adulteress: and whosoever shall marry her when she is put away committeth adultery. “

1. If she is already committing adultery, putting her out does not make her an adulterer. She already is one.
2. Put away is not the same as divorce. The scripture is speaking of separation. Vows are “until death do we part” and there are not “get out of your vows to God” cards. So you can separate for adultery but you can never marry again (until death of one).
3. It doesn’t matter the reason why the person was put away, to marry them is adultery. Even if the person was put away for adultery.


35 posted on 02/11/2011 9:57:16 AM PST by mbeaven (Divorce Stats)
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To: dajeeps

Also, punctuation is a translator’s inference. Scriptures were written with no punctuation. You have to rely on the authority of the Catholic Church to say what the scriptures mean, as it was they who decided what should be in the Bible and what shouldn’t be. The Catholic Church says there is no divorce. They compiled the Bible. They rejected books rejected, they accepted books accepted. All this hundreds of years before any other denomination was on the scene.

Divorce is a lie. Those who divorce and remarry commit adultery. Unrepentant adulterers go to hell. Not too complicated here.


36 posted on 02/11/2011 10:01:29 AM PST by mbeaven (Divorce Stats)
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To: mbeaven

“You have no logic. It is adultery but it is not forbidden? Read 1 Cor 6:9 to see what happens to those who commit adultery (marry a divorced person or remarry after divorcing).”

First, in the verse I provided, fornication is not adultery; otherwise it would not make sense to use another word. In other translations unchastity and immorality have been used in place of fornication. In the ones I looked at adultery is never used there.

In I Corinthians, the when the topic of marriage is discussed, Paul prefaces what he said by saying that he says it without command. But if you read the entire thing, it paints the picture where women are not much more than property, with a clear double standard. “If you have been released from a wife, do not seek a wife. But if you remarry, you have not sinned…” and, “A woman is bound to a husband until he dies.”

In Galatians, however, he goes on to talk about the law, being established through a mediator, was a tutor until Christ could redeem. In verse 28 he says: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ.” Christ looks at everyone the same. Romans chapter 3 is similar, and they appear to be reiterations and expansions of John 3.

All in all, salvation is a deeply personal affair and is not something that can be legislated, whether a little or a lot, in a free and self-governing society. Citizens here have the right to make up their own minds about how to conduct themselves, to judge their own conduct, and believe whatever they are inclined to believe. The use of law to coerce others to participate in one’s ideal view of society is not much different than what the radical left is attempting now, or what radical Islamists are doing with shariah law in the Middle East and Europe and is nothing short of tyranny. I do not condone its use in that way, in the place of real leadership and persuasion.


37 posted on 02/13/2011 5:05:41 AM PST by dajeeps
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