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TSA bag inspections / search AFTER travel (passengers leaving TRAIN searched)
Flyer Talk ^ | February 21, 2011 | Cartoon Peril

Posted on 02/23/2011 6:24:18 PM PST by CedarDave

This has been mentioned in other threads, but deserves its own. Here is a video from 2/13/11 showing a mother and two young children being searched AFTER they got off the train at the Savannah train depot. From the YouTube poster's account:

Quote: The only bad thing on our trip was TSA was at the Savannah train station. There were about 14 agents pulling people inside the building and coralling everyone in a roped area AFTER you got OFF THE TRAIN! This made no sense!!! Poor family in front of us! 9 year old getting patted down and wanded. They groped our people too and were very unprofessional. I am all about security, but when have you ever been harassed and felt up getting OFF a plane? Shouldnt they be doing that getting ON??? And they wonder why so many people are mad at them.

They have no bag X-ray, so while the mother is getting wanded down, and her bra strap felt, and the 9 year-old terrorist and the 11 year year-old terrorist are getting wanded down, and having their arms and legs patted down, two more TSOGOONS are pawing manually through their bags on the table.

I'd sure be curious to hear what the possible justification can be for searching people who are GETTING OFF of a train.


TOPICS: Government; Travel
KEYWORDS: amtrak; cwiiping; illegalsearch; savannah; train; tsa; tsapervs; tsasavannah
Text of a blog on another forum I monitor. Was unbelieving until I saw the video! Decided to post here so that it can receive wider attention and readers can forward to Rush, Sean, Beck, Savage, etc.
1 posted on 02/23/2011 6:24:21 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

What does Willie Green know and when did he know it?


2 posted on 02/23/2011 6:26:54 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: CedarDave

Link to the video not working now (requires subscription!!). Try this one:

http://discuss.amtraktrains.com/index.php?/topic/36811-passengers-harassed-by-terrorists-after-leaving-train/


3 posted on 02/23/2011 6:27:22 PM PST by CedarDave (What is DADT? Obama's response when inquiries are made about his birth certificate.)
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To: CedarDave

I visited the FlyerTalk link you provided but I can’t find the link to the Savannah video. Could you please provide that link? Thank you.


4 posted on 02/23/2011 6:28:22 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: CedarDave

We should unionize these people, give them nice shiny badges, and perhaps weapons, eh?


5 posted on 02/23/2011 6:29:35 PM PST by elpinta (John 17:3)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1B3AubsTBo


6 posted on 02/23/2011 6:30:49 PM PST by RoseyT
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To: GeronL

Willie is saddened.


7 posted on 02/23/2011 6:31:22 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: CedarDave

Thanks for the link. Years of searching and they’ve found nothing. Maybe we need to turn them into border agents on the Mexican border (on the Mexican side) so they can take direct fire for their harassment.


8 posted on 02/23/2011 6:32:47 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

It’s embedded in the text at the website:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1B3AubsTBo&NR=1


9 posted on 02/23/2011 6:32:55 PM PST by CedarDave (What is DADT? Obama's response when inquiries are made about his birth certificate.)
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To: All

The last time I flew in from Germany, we all had to go through screening before we could reenter the US. It is like the US does not trust the other parts of the world’s security (smart move!).


10 posted on 02/23/2011 6:33:27 PM PST by bennowens
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Searching passengers as they LEAVE a train?? Customs and immigration wannabes?

"You have traveled across a state line; show me your papers."

11 posted on 02/23/2011 6:35:30 PM PST by CedarDave (What is DADT? Obama's response when inquiries are made about his birth certificate.)
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To: holdonnow

FYI!!! Amazing abuse of police power.


12 posted on 02/23/2011 6:36:29 PM PST by CedarDave (What is DADT? Obama's response when inquiries are made about his birth certificate.)
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To: RoseyT

OMG. I’m flying with my kids the Spring.


13 posted on 02/23/2011 6:36:46 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: bennowens
The last time I flew in from Germany, we all had to go through screening before we could reenter the US. It is like the US does not trust the other parts of the world’s security (smart move!).

By customs or by TSA? If by TSA, what the heck for?? They going to take away that oversize bottle of shampoo or toothpaste that got by someone at the Berlin airport?? Besides, once past security, you can buy all sorts of items to carry on (like soft drinks, bottled water, etc.).

14 posted on 02/23/2011 6:41:02 PM PST by CedarDave (What is DADT? Obama's response when inquiries are made about his birth certificate.)
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To: CedarDave

For my vacation, I went to FL. This was just 3 weeks ago. When I flew from the Greensboro airport to FL, I wasn’t even wanded or my luggage checked. Two weeks later, my luggage was searched on the flight back. I laughed over it. They went through my dirty laundry. ROFLMAO!!! All they found was a glass flamingo Christmas tree ornament stuck in there to keep it from breaking. Thank goodness it did arrive safely. I did the same thing coming back through customs years ago. I put the dirty clothes on the top in my suitcase. It didn’t stay open long. LOL!!!!


15 posted on 02/23/2011 6:44:29 PM PST by dstarr (One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: bennowens

I’ll point this out...since I travel via Germany a fair bit. They can hustle a thousand folks through security in a matter of thirty minutes...with the TSA crowd...it takes twice that long or more. I went through Philly two months ago and just stood there laughing for 45 minutes as we inched through a line in mid-afternoon. The plane had arrived forty-five minutes late....luckily, I had projected three hours of time into my trip and I had a little bit of time to spare.


16 posted on 02/23/2011 6:47:23 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: elpinta

Agreed. Collective bargaining would bring out their best behavior when it comes to respecting the rights and personal space of their paymasters.


17 posted on 02/23/2011 6:49:43 PM PST by relictele
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To: CedarDave; ExTexasRedhead; ExSoldier; blackie; LucyT; Nachum; Candor7
No place left to hide drugs with new X-ray technology for airports (Australia)

Snips: NEW X-ray technology that can reveal drug smugglers' internal cavities will be trialled at airports under a plan to fast-track security searches.

Under current laws, an internal X-ray scan can only be done by a doctor at a hospital or surgery centre.

18 posted on 02/23/2011 6:56:55 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: RoseyT; Eaker; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; ...
Good link at reply 6. Please watch this video of American citizens being used as unwilling guinea pigs to beta test Nazi-style federal SS police controls.

Including little kids getting the full-groin grope. In America. After getting off of a train.

Welcome to the USSA, comrades.

CW2 Ping


19 posted on 02/23/2011 6:58:17 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: dstarr

I agree that for fliers TSA is inconsistent, overbearing, and all sorts of other adjectives that describe an agency that is about power and not about passengers, their rights and freedoms.

However, here we are talking about a search of bags and passengers (including wanding and pat-downs of children) AFTER leaving a TRAIN, which should set off an entirely different level of alarm bells for the traveling public!!


20 posted on 02/23/2011 7:00:26 PM PST by CedarDave (What is DADT? Obama's response when inquiries are made about his birth certificate.)
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To: CedarDave

bttt


21 posted on 02/23/2011 7:00:50 PM PST by tutstar
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To: CedarDave
Thank you for this information.

Americans feel violated by these searches because they know it is an invasion of privacy. Although it may not be apparent to many Americans, searches without a warrant require voluntary consent. This includes any checkpoint where it is considered to be in a public place, including an airport, station, or public road. Privacy does not mean others may see your personal belongings. Privacy means that the government or any other agency employed by the government may not see your personal belongings without probable cause or a warrant.

To avoid these searches, simply reject them. When they tell you to open your bags, you tell them kindly, "No I will not. Please ask me for consent." If they do ask you for consent, refuse. Then when they don't and detain you, you sue the TSA for illegal search.

We must follow this process, or the courts will never deem this invasion unconstitutional. The TSA is clearly violating the 4th and 14th Amendments. Why no attorney general has filed suit on this is a mystery unless one sees that the implications of being called a "terrorist lover" not boding well for them.

The safety of the nation never overshadows our inalienable rights. Nothing else does either. The founding fathers made this perfectly clear in the Declaration of Independence.
22 posted on 02/23/2011 7:03:19 PM PST by devattel
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To: bennowens
It is like the US does not trust the other parts of the world’s security (smart move!).

I totally disagree. If inspections are to be made, they need to be made pre-flight, not after the flight is completed.

23 posted on 02/23/2011 7:07:00 PM PST by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: devattel
To avoid these searches, simply reject them. When they tell you to open your bags, you tell them kindly, "No I will not. Please ask me for consent." If they do ask you for consent, refuse. Then when they don't and detain you, you sue the TSA for illegal search.

If traveling on a plane, at best they will deny you boarding. At worst they will deny you boarding and fine your $10,000.

What are they going to do when you get off a train AFTER you arrive at your destination?? I see this as a totally different set of circumstances.

24 posted on 02/23/2011 7:08:31 PM PST by CedarDave (What is DADT? Obama's response when inquiries are made about his birth certificate.)
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To: All

If I had ANY faith in the TSA, checking people getting off a train would make some sense. Why? Because a nasty terrorist scenario is to ride a train to your target and then detonate. Of course, packing people in a room for screening makes that scenario MORE deadly, not less.

Thus, this is just security theater and thugcopism. Nothing more.


25 posted on 02/23/2011 7:15:31 PM PST by piytar (Obastard is a use of the term "bastard" in the literal sense -- Obama is hiding his daddy's identity)
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To: CedarDave

It’s about time the Republicans an TEA Party started making a lot of noise about the nazification of America.


26 posted on 02/23/2011 7:18:07 PM PST by Surrounded_too
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To: CedarDave

and what happens if you opt out? They make yon get back on the train?

poor old Charlie!


27 posted on 02/23/2011 7:18:46 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: CedarDave; devattel
What are they going to do when you get off a train AFTER you arrive at your destination??

Put you on the list so you can't get back on the train (or flight) to return? Scumbags!

28 posted on 02/23/2011 7:23:30 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: piytar

It’s not just theater. They are beta testing police-state controls to see what happens. Will people comply? Be outraged? Curse them out for gestapo?

The answers to those questions shall determine if freedom is soon to be extinguished in this nation.


29 posted on 02/23/2011 7:29:18 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: piytar

I would have refused them.....period. The trip is over I am off and done....screw off.
I just flew out of a small regional airport, no scanners just a walk thru metal detector. The gal asked me to remove my sweatshirt and I refused. She motioned me to go through the detector so I did. After I was through she tried to pull me aside for a pat down. I told her nothing beeped and no she was not going to pat me down. She kept insisting and I kept refusing. Lol. After a minute of this she said...well can I just pat down your back and arms and I said yes. I was adamant that they were not going to do a full pat down on me just because I refused to strip for them.


30 posted on 02/23/2011 7:30:39 PM PST by sheana
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To: Travis McGee

That”s what I meant by “thugcopism,” and you explained it well. Agreed 100%.


31 posted on 02/23/2011 7:30:43 PM PST by piytar (Obastard is a use of the term "bastard" in the literal sense -- Obama is hiding his daddy's identity)
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To: CedarDave
CedarDave said:

If traveling on a plane, at best they will deny you boarding. At worst they will deny you boarding and fine your $10,000.

What are they going to do when you get off a train AFTER you arrive at your destination?? I see this as a totally different set of circumstances.


The two circumstances are no different from each other from a legal perspective. The Supreme Court is very clear on the matter of preventing free travel. Two recent cases clearly defined this violation. Here is a citation from one:

It is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all.

- Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969)
Although the right to travel is in the Articles of Confederation, it is mysteriously absent from the Constitution. Nonetheless, this would be a clear violation of various segments of the Constitution, as it restricts free passage between states. Obviously the scenario changes with regards to international flights, but the majority of flights at various ports are domestic.
32 posted on 02/23/2011 7:32:01 PM PST by devattel
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To: brityank; CedarDave
brityank said:

Put you on the list so you can't get back on the train (or flight) to return? Scumbags!

There is nothing finer than the TSA making people violate one inalienable right to enjoy another, then punishing people by eliminating both.

This works very well in countries that have no Bill of Rights nor Constitution. When I first watched Firefox back in the early 1980's the first thing I said to myself was "thank God all those checkpoints Eastwood had to pass through in the USSR don't exist here in America." How quickly we forget.
33 posted on 02/23/2011 7:41:43 PM PST by devattel
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To: Travis McGee
where...

Where will we draw the line?

When will we say enough??

What will finally provoke spontaneous direction action???

34 posted on 02/23/2011 7:51:02 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Travis McGee

Scary ping. I was thinking of taking an Amtrak ride to Denver for fun with the kids, silly me. I guess we’ll just drive.


35 posted on 02/23/2011 8:11:35 PM PST by Vor Lady
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To: CedarDave

Um, how do these people know for sure that these searches made “no sense”?

Is it not at least possible that TSA had some specific information that led them to search at a time and place that they don’t normally search?


36 posted on 02/23/2011 8:26:44 PM PST by fightinJAG (TAXPAYERS OF THE WORLD UNITE)
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To: CedarDave

Please, let’s not overreact at every turn.

Yes, I can think of plenty of scenarios in which LE/HS agents would be required to check passengers upon deboarding a train or an airplane, for that matter. Do people really think that the security is only concerned about what happens when the conveyance is underway?

If HS got information that someone may have brought a dirty bomb on a train, would it be okay for them to check for it or would that be “an amazing abuse of police power”?

If HS had information that a geiger counter held by an onboard air/train marshall went off, would it be okay to check passengers as they deboarded?

Let’s get a little real here.

Just sayin.


37 posted on 02/23/2011 8:34:37 PM PST by fightinJAG (TAXPAYERS OF THE WORLD UNITE)
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To: Travis McGee

The TSA — Building a compliant, docile, conditioned society of tax cows, and employing the best and brightest of the AA gene pool, since 2002.


38 posted on 02/23/2011 8:51:00 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: fightinJAG

If we were able to trust our government you might have a point. But we can’t so you don’t.

Just sayin’


39 posted on 02/23/2011 8:54:23 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: fightinJAG
Umm, how can we be sure that these people in fact areTSA? Where are their bona fides? They wear a blue uniform - available at any uniform store. Military members display their names prominently displayed on their shirt - I don't see TSA names. TSA should be required to carry a TSA photo ID and present it upon request. RotsaRuck
40 posted on 02/23/2011 9:13:13 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... Iowa 61)
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To: CedarDave

Where in the Constitution is the authority to randomly search train passengers?


41 posted on 02/23/2011 9:15:08 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: CedarDave

The first comment from the video says it all.

It’s not about security, it’s about *conditioning*.


42 posted on 02/24/2011 3:42:06 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: fightinJAG
Let’s get a little real here.

If they had credible information that a dirty bomb, radioactive material, or explosives were on board do you think they would have the TSA search luggage?? DEA, FBI, Hazmat teams and other emergency response teams would converge and take charge, not several blue-gloved TSA agents.

That exact scenario took place last week AFTER the search by TSA when a Muslim man on an Amtrak train said he had a bomb (Threat in Montana forces evacuation of Amtrak train bound for Oregon). The train was stopped, passengers evacuated, the train searched for eight hours and nationwide traffic on the BNSF's main line delayed for 24 hours.

So lets get real -- a credible threat is handled completely differently than that from TSA searching bags and passengers AFTER a train arrives. This is about TSA and its ability to cower Americans into police-state thinking.

43 posted on 02/24/2011 6:18:46 AM PST by CedarDave (What is DADT? Obama's response when inquiries are made about his birth certificate.)
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To: Travis McGee

I have to really wonder if it will ever to be possible to nip this kind of BS in the bud???

Before it becomes common place...

When people start refusing this “after the fact” intrusiveness, we are probably not going to be a free nation for much longer, are we...


44 posted on 02/24/2011 7:57:01 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64

We’re being tested, as we watch freedom slipping away.


45 posted on 02/24/2011 8:16:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: CedarDave

Obama’s America


46 posted on 02/24/2011 3:43:49 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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