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Can a group of scientists in California end the war on climate change?
guardian.co.uk ^ | Feb. 27, 2011 | Ian Sample

Posted on 02/28/2011 4:52:57 PM PST by PROCON

The Berkeley Earth project say they are about to reveal the definitive truth about global warming In 1964, Richard Muller, a 20-year-old graduate student with neat-cropped hair, walked into Sproul Hall at the University of California, Berkeley, and joined a mass protest of unprecedented scale. The activists, a few thousand strong, demanded that the university lift a ban on free speech and ease restrictions on academic freedom, while outside on the steps a young folk-singer called Joan Baez led supporters in a chorus of We Shall Overcome. The sit-in ended two days later when police stormed the building in the early hours and arrested hundreds of students

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"We are an independent, non-political, non-partisan group. We will gather the data, do the analysis, present the results and make all of it available. There will be no spin, whatever we find."

Fine! If that's your goal, it's commendable; however, be prepared to discover the AGW "consensus" is wrong!

1 posted on 02/28/2011 4:53:06 PM PST by PROCON
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To: steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ping-a-ling!


2 posted on 02/28/2011 4:54:01 PM PST by PROCON (Republicans: we elected you, DON'T let us down; 2011: the year of REPEAL!)
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To: PROCON

This is pre-global Cooling


3 posted on 02/28/2011 4:55:21 PM PST by Foolsgold (L I B Lacking in Brains)
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To: PROCON; rdl6989; marvlus; Fractal Trader; Whenifhow; grey_whiskers; proud_yank; markomalley; ...
Thanx PROCON !

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

4 posted on 02/28/2011 4:56:07 PM PST by steelyourfaith ("Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips)
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To: PROCON

What makes them different from any other Berkely crowd?

What makes them special that their final word is the final word?

Sorry, but I doubt they will be spending millions to investigate and look for all the natural climate enactors out there, they probably will troll through what has already been gathered by others.


5 posted on 02/28/2011 5:01:42 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: PROCON

Proving Global Warming is one thing, Proving Human Induced Armageddon Global Warming is another thing.

If they come up with anything less then they are confirming the hoax.

The earth has been warming for hundreds of years since the last ice age. This is part of the normal cycle of the earth.


6 posted on 02/28/2011 5:02:17 PM PST by dila813
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To: PROCON
I have a little trouble believing a berzerkly radical can head up a "nonpartisan nonpolitical" anything. He may be sincere but there are good reasons to believe he is sincerely wrong. In any case, we shall see. As always the true battle will be over the error values of the data.
7 posted on 02/28/2011 5:06:05 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

>>”We are an independent, non-political, non-partisan group.<<

Yeah, right. Any sane conservative knows that it’s a scam and won’t waste their time proving something that never existed in the first place. Which leaves the “other” political spectrum..


8 posted on 02/28/2011 5:11:32 PM PST by max americana
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To: PROCON
What astonishing naivity. Or is it that they expect us to be naive and believe everything they say is simple objective truth?

The reality is that humans are biased and fallible. All of us. Pretending that you are not doesn't get you any closer to the truth.

9 posted on 02/28/2011 5:12:00 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Thanking God for many blessings :-))
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To: PROCON
They will have to address these problems with 'greenhouse theory.'

No Smoking Hot Spot (The Australian)

The missing hotspot (JoNova)

Those two articles take Greenhouse Theory at face value and by the criterion set up in the theory itself finds no evidence of warming on the basis of greenhouse effect.

The Hidden Flaw in Greenhouse Theory

Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics

Harvard astrophysicist dismisses AGW theory, challenges peers to 'take back climate science'

It Is Impossible For A 100 ppm Increase In Atmospheric CO2 Concentration To Cause Global Warming

Simple Chemistry and the Real Greenhouse Effect.

Those five articles each show that Greenhouse Theory has no basis in reality due to a direct conflict with the known laws of physics. No wonder the smoking gun "hotspot" can't be found.

Claim That Sea Level Is Rising Is a Total Fraud

That article pretty much puts the kibosh on any serious trend of planetary warming from any cause. Think about it. If there is absolutely no sign at all of rising sea levels how could the planet be warming? Beyond the centuries long slow warming of the earth and rising of the seas of course. But that is only a few millimeters per century due to the inter-glacial period we are in.

10 posted on 02/28/2011 5:18:11 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Hell... they will just reprint what they read on the du.

LLS


11 posted on 02/28/2011 5:18:38 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Muller claims to be a statistician ~ which is good. There are entirely too many self-described climatologists out there who really have only the slightest understanding of statistics who invent too much BS for whatever they produce.

That's what you find the public detecting the most of ~ the disconnect between real statistical analysis and the claims made for the data.

Of interest ~ I started out as a Math major ages back and spent a good deal of the last 50 years fiddling around with statistical methodologies. Not that I could be all that productive any more in that field but even I recognized that there were serious questions about the AGW data sets quite early on. For example, there were only three climatological sites in Republic of Congo. One day the staff were working happily collecting temperatures and humidity readings and along came a group of rebel soldiers who saw these nice plump guys and killed them, then dressed them out, cooked and ate them.

I began disputing ALL of the weather station data in Africa based on that event. We had an early website where a United Nations weather guy was a member. We went back and forth on the reliability of data coming from stations where the data collectors were so readily eaten.

He had no good answers for it.

12 posted on 02/28/2011 5:19:33 PM PST by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Americans)
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To: PROCON
"Everybody will believe us, because we're good people."
13 posted on 02/28/2011 5:20:20 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: TigersEye

I’m with you FRiend, and I look forward to their final report; if the data is to be revealed for all to see, we may be able to put to bed this scam for good!


14 posted on 02/28/2011 5:27:30 PM PST by PROCON (Republicans: we elected you, DON'T let us down; 2011: the year of REPEAL!)
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To: PROCON

Delusions anyone?

Here is the source for you new and improved delusions.

Free for the taking. No charge.

Enjoy the results but don’t really expect much else then rewording of earlier Global Warming Thesis’s.


15 posted on 02/28/2011 5:27:34 PM PST by jongaltsr (It)
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To: PROCON

They still don’t like free speech


16 posted on 02/28/2011 5:27:59 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: PROCON

I smell whitewash.
Or is that horse manure?

I believe the project is expected by its sponsors to reaffirm the findings of the original “climategate” scientists in order to give the Democrat “mainstream” newsrooms something to hang their hats on as they soundbite into their daily headline stories about renewed efforts for “cap and trade” legislation and other massive taxpayer ripoffs:

“BREAKING NEWS!!... Global warming turns out to be a critical threat to our planet after all, according to a totally objective and completely bipartisan group of top scientists who reaffirmed the conclusions of over 160 thousand previous top scientists who claimed that we must act now to stop blah blah blah.”

Bookmarked.


17 posted on 02/28/2011 5:31:40 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: PROCON
Unfortunately I think that all they can find is that there isn't enough data nor enough understanding of the complexities of climate to make any reasonable predictions. Which won't clear up anything because no one will listen to that now.

I have strong doubts that they will report anything if it becomes clear to them that they can actually disprove Glowbull Warming theories.

18 posted on 02/28/2011 5:39:54 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: PROCON

The temperature data are all erroneous or suspect to begin with. Can’t get around that no matter how much hand-waving is done.


19 posted on 02/28/2011 5:43:03 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: PROCON

Well, the saying goes:

“garbage in, garbage out”

If “the data” that they use is biased, fudged, or just plain made up then the results will be the same stuff we get from people like Gore, drivel. Is there any “objective” data for them to gather? Will they start fresh and gather new data? Exactly what would they factor in, and would they model?

I’m not a scientist, but I know you have to have good data and enough of it to make conclusions based on it, and the results have to be repeatable. I don’t think we are going to see any of that happening. I think we are going to see a ton of money go down a rabbit hole for a pre-destined conclusion that will co-incidentally get them much more grant and funding $$.


20 posted on 02/28/2011 5:45:56 PM PST by Horusra (The Democrat party is now the National Socialist party (nationalize the banks, socialize healthcare))
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